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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 5:32am On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: You are really using net spend for your analysis? Outflow is what matters here. Anyway, If i want to agree that Fergie did not do much in terms of spending, can we assert that Fergie already built a team that needed low average net spend per year vs the likes of City and chelsea that were nothing pre-2005? Also, how come Man Utd is only second to City in spending since 2013? This actually disproves your assertion that the Glazers haven't spent much on the club. Meanwhile, I struggle to understand what you mean by 'real billionaires' sha. Most billionaires have huge debt. The ones you are talking about have only decided to use structures to make the clubs have indirect exposures, thereby decieving several naive and ignorant football fans. Better stop the emotional stuff, and for once accept that these guys are spending heavily on the club. Just dont know why an average English man hates to see Americans control/manage their wealth, they prefer to have 'not too knowledgeable' investors from Middle East and Russia blow their oil money and their countries' fortunes on the UK economy. This has been going on for decades/centuries, go read about the development of Canary Wharf. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 5:41am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen: 1) Of course when their investment was in jeopardy they started investing. When they should have capitalized in the mid 2000s to build a dominant team they were spending less than Stoke City and Aston Villa. phucking disgrace. 2) Irrelevant. Liverpool is owned by Americans too. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 5:50am On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Lol, how come there were several articles against the club owners before Klopp told them to shut up? ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 5:57am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen: Objection. Speculation. It is not only American owners that get articles written against them. There have been articles against Abramovic, Ivan Gazidis, Mike Ashley, John Elkann e.t.c Or is Bartomeu also American? ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:03am On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Maybe you still don't get it, Fergie left, reason we are where we are today. Debt or 2005 takeover is not the reason. We can't use the DNA thing to win trophies, we need a new system, sack and hire managers for success. That's my point. We have been spending since 2013 plus trying to do the DNA thing at the same time, but.no success. Can we just change the approach for once? Please stop saying that these guys have not spent on the club. They are trying abeg. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:06am On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Lol, the whole world knows about the special enmity between Britain and America, it's been around for a long time. Anyway, I dont have the time to start talking/typing about it. Make the matter rest for here, Na me bring am up. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 6:12am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen: Maybe you think i am saying all this to defend Solskjaer. If they sack him today and appoint Tuchel or Nagelsmann i will be the first to share rice and plantain here. However the origin of the problem is the aging and average squad Fergie left in 2013 that was as a result of years of spending Stoke City and Everton money while making Madrid and Barca money. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:19am On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: I still don't agree. Meanwhile, we already bought more that 28 players, (5 short of three squads) since Fergie left now, and most were established players before they join man Utd. So how come no success, even though we have replaced the so called aging and average squad? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 6:23am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen: See wahala. I already posted the figures here for all to see. You don't have to agree nah. ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 6:26am On Aug 20, 2020 |
The only thing worse than appointing the wrong manager is sacking the wrong manager to appoint another wrong or even worse manager. Sacking and employment of managers should be with sense and a plan, not just wuruwuru to the answer. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 7:31am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Nice argument. The kind of premium argument you get. Not shekpites argument. ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by macjireh: 7:44am On Aug 20, 2020 |
OtemAtum:chaii...lucifer,, it no go better for u oo...see as u blind D's one kpatakpata ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:45am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Leyqute: Lol |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:55am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Expert17: Lmao, no be only direction. Na magnitude. Direction with 66 points and 3 Semi losses. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by melodyogonna(m): 8:33am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen:Trust you? ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 9:05am On Aug 20, 2020 |
We start the new season on the 19th Sep due to our involvement in the Europa league. Crystal palace - Home Brighton - Away Spurs - Home First 3 for the new season. Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal in Oct. ![]() City and Leeds in Dec. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 9:11am On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen: you are intentionally mixing it up. we have been doing sack and hire system that didn't work. it's the 5th manager in 7 years to stand in that dug out. this is the point to try DNA, and it will be given time ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:49am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Depth just got more important. 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 9:51am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Look at the potential final 6 matches Leeds - Away Liverpool - Home Villa - Away leicester - Home Fulham - Home Wolves -away |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chidexxy007(m): 10:57am On Aug 20, 2020 |
MRTA7:Liverpool only threat here, all things being equal. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 12:10pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
nitrogen:They know Americans are as wise as they (the English men) are, if not wiser. Americans will not throw money into the English economy like morons. They prefer Arabians and Asians who will just rush to bring in billions without having a deep think. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by metodman(m): 12:15pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
chidexxy007: Wolves away not a threat? Derby match with Leeds? I hope you realize that no matter how bad those guys are, they will definitely going to put up a fight on that day. With our players always very tired and a manager who would use 15 players all season till they are barely able to move.... we will be alive to see how the season pans out |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 12:17pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2:Shey when i brought it up, they said it's ok for the club to owe half a billion in debts. They've tried. They have really tried. Leemao! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 12:25pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
ChristineC: Moyes was a DNA play, OGS is a DNA play. To some extent, LVG was a DNA play. Mou gave us trophies, Mou was not a DNA play. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 12:33pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Sense and plan Ke? Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve etc. have been hiring and firing managers at will, with no 'sense', and they've been winning trophies. The world has moved on abeg. Hire a manager, give him a 1-2 year contract, if things look good, extend by 1 year, if not, sack, and appoint another one. Short term contracts to avoid the Mou situation. Rinse and repeat. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:36pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Lana1:They have tried when it comes to buying players but but ... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 12:37pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Lana1: ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:48pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
I have been following the argument closely and TBH, it makes for a good read... I used to be anti-Glazers whilst Fergie was here because they just didn't splash the cash on quality players as one would've expected. Our midfield was left unattended to for years and whilst we lost key players, they didn't do enough to replace them but over the past couple of years, they've invested in the squad hugely maybe because we started missing out on Europe altogether (sounds plausible)... The reason why we are still struggling even when the Glazers have brought out the cheque book is because we don't have a football philosophy to guide our player purchases and that's why we desperately need a football man to run to football aspect of the club. Van Gaal came and signed his men, Mourinho came and signed the players he likes which are quite different from the kind of players we signed under Van Gaal and now, Ole is buying his own players. If sacked, we might opt for another manager with an entirely different footballing philosophy... The club needs to have a direction wherein, player acquisition and manager change will depend on whether or he can fit in our system that way, a new manager will come in and doesn't need a complete clear out like what Pep wanted at Chelsea... 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 12:54pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
GloryIsaac: Your guy should stop selling players for now in the name of clearing deadwoods.Also, he should try to use players on the bench. This season is going to be a very long one! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 1:02pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
patrickmuf: Okay, this makes sense. However, please note that very few managers do a complete clear out. Most times, new managers just buy 3-4 players and win trophies in the first or second season. It's a mandate, we give you funds 100-150m to sign players, by year 2 you must win trophies or leave, and in year 2, you don't get more than 100m for transfers. It's working very well. Na only Pep dey do complete clear out because he is a check book manager, meanwhile, I am not sure Bayern allowed him to do that. Meanwhile, forget this philosophy talk abeg, Na philosophy/DNA/style put us in this mess. again, if things don't work, bring in another manager with fresh ideas (could be different football style) so we can win something abeg. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 1:03pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
So this Sancho saga na pipe dream. Me sef suspect am. We no get Dortmund money. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 1:11pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Clubs dey win trophies with taking right and fast decisions on managers.....we still dey talk of DNA and Philosophy. Kwantinue. |
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