Nice...The wisdom grass heal all humanity.#WEED

truthfulparrot:
I am just thinking aloud. Is this new law not affecting Muslims too?

Why is MURIC not protesting? What if this law was introduced during Jonathan regime? How will MURIC react if Jonathan signed a law that gave government the authority to remove the Imams of any mosque?

Would CAN oppose this law if it was enacted during Jonathan's regime?

The fact is that religious inclinations has blocked the rational thinking of most Nigerians.

My honest take is that people should have the freedom to practice their religious beliefs without discrimination or government interference.

If you are a Muslim or Christian, do you call those who practice traditional religion derogatory names like pagans and idol worshippers?

Religion is really the "weed"" of the people!

Nothing but jealousy. They envy the progressive church, can't believe how far it has come, and can not fathom the influence the church has. Instead of facing governmental issues wherein they got the people's mandate, they want to destroy the church. Meanwhile, BOKO Haram is having a field day killing Nigerian citizens this government swore to defend.

BabaRamota1980:


The churches brought this upon themselves.

There are many muslim communities just like Zakzaky group in North. They mind their business and never get involved in govt issues. Zakyzaky stays in govt business all the time. Thats why he is in trouble now.

Jonathan set a bad precedence when he will have these pastors meddling govt business. They got too comfortable and started commenting on what govt is doing or not doing. When you are a tax exempt organization, stay away from govt the best you can. Put a long distance between you and govt. Govt has all the rules and ways to fvk up anyone, if they choose to. These churches did same thing Zakyzaky did, started fvkng with govt. So now govt wants to fcvk with them too. Its unfortunate but its reality.

There is a pastor in America called Pastor Dollar or something like that. He used to condemn govt and live large and flaunt. One of their legislators got on his case and wanted to probe him and his church. The Pastor got the message at that point.

If CAMA can bring out same result in Nigerian pastors it will be great. The money they waste on acquiring jets and building for-profit private institutions should be better used in promoting wellbeing and supporting needs of communities and people. At the end of it people benefit when churches come to their aid in time of distress and need.

one day the kind of Nigeria you guys re fanning will come to pass just like the North is having it now, by then it will become too late. you don't sit and support evil just because the person you support is in power, he will leave that seat in 3 years and the laws will be there. Have you visited the north to listen to their preaching? don't sit in west and say what you don't know

chrisxxx:
How I wished we could do a roll call of people who voted this government in especially ITK Christians!

Even on this thread, from their responses you should know them already.

seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up

Is it only d church ?? What of Islam and others religion

Every christian should rise against this wickedness. This is a clear message of islamization. I urge all Christians worldwide to reject it. It is a pity that Christian legislators are keeping quiet. Christian governors are keeping quiet. How can a moslem determine how the affairs of the church should be run? Some people may not understand this wicked agenda against Christianity. It is santanic! It is evil! My beloved christian never you keep mute on this wicked agenda. Nonsense!

seunmsg:
Rejecting the new law in the media won't have any effect. The new CAMA is now a law that must be complied with by all afeected parties. If CAN feels that the law violates the fundamental and constitutional right of its members, they should go ahead and challenge the legality of the law in a court of competent jurisdiction. Anything other than that is just empty noise.

GBAM!

makjo900:



You christians are bunch of hypocritical and settlemental haters. Muslims call you infidels and you find it wrong but its perfectly fine to call them and other non Christians infidels and ofcourse without ur useless jesus they are hell candidates.

You can here yourself sir......

There's something about Accountability and Transparency, that scares Nigerian Clerics.

*CAMA 2020*
Pls read the submission of King Arthur, Esq with an open mind.


*Suspension of Trustees and Appointment of Interim Manager(s)*

Section 839 (1) empowers the Commission to suspend trustees of an association and appoint interim managers to manage the affairs of the association where it reasonably believes that-

(a) There is or has been misconduct or mismanagement in the administration of the association;

(b) it is necessary or desirable for the purpose of;

i. Protecting the property of the association

ii. Securing a proper application for the property of the association towards achieving the objects of the association, the purpose of the associationof that property or of the property coming to the association,

iii. Public interest; or

(c) the affairs of the association are being run fraudulently.

By the foregoing provision, the Commission can lawfully suspend the trustees of an association on the grounds stated above. If the subsection were to end there, the concerns of unbridled power raised would have been justified, but it does not end there.

Subsection 2 provides as follows:

1. The trustees shall be suspended by an order of Court upon the petition of the Commission or Members consisting of one-fifth of the association, and the petitioners shall present all reasonable evidence or such evidence as requested by the Court in respect of the petition.

Subsection 2 therefore expressly provides for –

A. Who has the locus to suspend the Trustees?

Answer: The Commission and the Members of the association in question.

B. What are the Conditions Precedent before the action for suspension can be heard?

Answer: A petition detailing grounds of a breach as stated above, reasonable evidence, and with Members – a quorum of one-fifth.

C. How can the Trustees be suspended?

Answer: By an Order of Court.

This provision is not ambiguous.

Thus, the discretion of the Commission in its “reasonable belief” is still subject to the approval of the Court, the likelihood of arbitrariness by the Commission in subsection 1 is curtailed by subsection 2; if the Commission (or members) acts outside Sub 2, it is null and void.The Registrar General cannot just wake up on the wrong side of the bed as being touted and suspend the Trustees. The law is not subjective to sleep positions. It is the Law. There are grounds for which evidence must be adduced by people recognized by law to obtain an Order of Court before the power conferred can be exercised.

Subsection 3 provides for the hearing of the petition and the appointment of the Interim Managers by the Court with the assistance of the Commission. The Interim managers are designated by the Court or the appointment of any person who cannot do as otherwise instructed without the approval of the Court.

The Court has the final say, not the Commission and not the Members. If the argument against this provision is that of lack of trust in the Judiciary to play its role by law, that is a different conversation altogether.

Omooba77:


https://punchng.com/can-rejects-cama-says-govt-cannot-control-churches/

Dreal1247:
This is one way through which strange practices could be imported into the body of Christ. A canal mind cannot understand the things of the spirit. The Christian body needs to write the presidency as well as the law makers.

If the christian body were able to purge herself, it wouldn't have gotten to this level. By the way, the law was a general one for all associations, I wonder why the christian bodies are taking it so personal. Even most of the G.O's are fighting because of money & power and not because they really loved God. Christ died for humanity & not Christian's alone. Thus whenever you do an act of love towards another you're already doing the will of God.

The problem is the private jets , Islamabad are jealous

Righteousness89:
The Government of the Day should be apply wisdom , Take off their Hands from the Church and not make Mockery of themselves..

It's Unbiblical! Unscriptural , Demonic , Occultic and Satanic..

The Presidency should be well advised! You don't Start a War you Cannot Finish.

It's Foolishness to think or try in any Form to Fight against the Church of God.

It Foolishness to start a Fight against your Creator.

It Does not End Well...

Haman Tried it
Pharoah Tried it
Nebuchadnezzar Tried it..

We are Still in the Seasons of Judgement. Many Have Gone!

Any Mere Creature that Tries will Go like Others..

Ambode did it... Look what happened

Where was CAN when the law passed through the first and second reading at the National Assembly?
This whole country needs a total transformation: Family, Schools, Church and Government.
The entire system is sick and urgently needs a saviour-physician.

So you think those lawmakers are there for something good,

bros wakeup, there are there for their own selfisherest

techmo:




Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



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*Oyedepo’s Unholy Anger Over CAMA And Nigeria’s Karma*

Fredrick Nwabufo


Is the church an enterprise? Yes. Is the church a place of spiritual alliance with the creator? Yes. Naturally, the church as an industry should be detached from incorporeal control. Both must not be conflated. There is the tabernacle of God, which no mundane or terrestrial order has power over, and there is the venture of mammon which must submit to the laws of the land. Caesar must be given his due. The righteous one, Jesus Christ, said so. 


Bishop David Oyedepo, the redoubtable preacher, took umbrage against the government over a section of the recently signed Companies and Allied Matters Act (CAMA) which warrants the Corporate Affairs Commission to suspend the trustees of an association or a religious body and appoint an interim manager or managers to coordinate its affairs where it reasonably believes that there has been any misconduct or mismanagement, or where the affairs of the association are being run fraudulently or where it is necessary or desirable for the purpose of public interest. By implication, the law regulates religious and charity organisations.


Venting on the law, Oyedepo accused the government of jealousy. He said he knows the “prosperity of the church is making them jealous”. I think, this is mammon speaking.


Hear him: “The church is God’s heritage on earth. Molest the wife of somebody and you will see the anger of that person. The church is the bride of Christ. You know how a strong man is when you tamper with his wife. The church is the body of Christ. We are under obligation to give warnings to wicked rulers so we could be free from their blood."


“The church works on the pattern delivered by God not the pattern of man. Government has no power to appoint people over churches. This is a secular nation. The church is the greatest asset of God in this country. Please be warned. Judgment is coming. The Lord says I have been still but now I will arise. Anybody that is in this deal is taking poison. This will never work. I am waiting for a day when anybody will appoint a trustee over this church… You can’t gag anybody. We own this country together.”


Nothing can prevail against the church of God – not even Hades. 

But we must situate and contextualise the “church” in Oyedepo’s cadence. The “church” here according to Oyedepo is some behemoth or unwieldy corporation. I doubt if this is the church Jesus the Christ meant and established.


Over the years, the church industry in Nigeria has carried on as an agency defiant to secular laws despite earning its sustenance from worldly pursuits. Some barely even pay tax while running publishing firms, hospitals, schools, restaurants and other businesses. If I am not mistaken, Pastor Tunde Bakare is one of the few clerics who established businesses distinct from their spiritual vocation.


What is baffling is that these churches, which stand against laws seeking to enforce transparency in their business dealings in Nigeria, capitulate to similar regulations abroad. For example, in 2019, the UK Charities Commission appointed an interim manager for Mountain of Fire and Miracles International, the church founded by Daniel Olukoya. The commission hinged its decision on acts of fraud in the organisation. 


It said: “The commission is concerned over the trustees’ unwillingness to report serious incidents. The inquiry found two alleged incidents of fraud by former employees involving significant sums, both of which were not reported until a number of years after the frauds were discovered.”


Also, in 2015, the UK Charities Commission probed Oyedepo’s Winners Chapel International over alleged misappropriation of 16 million pounds. Oyedepo did not rail against the regulatory commission. He surrendered his church to the investigation, and fortunately, his church was cleared of all allegations. No wrongdoing was found. But why is he up against similar regulatory process for the church industry in Nigeria?


In addition, in 2014, the commission appointed an interim manager for Christ Embassy International, the church founded by Chris Oyakhilome. It situated its decision on “serious misconduct and mismanagement in the church’s administration, inadequate recording of its decision-making processes and failure to comply with grant-making policy”.


As a matter of fact, the church industry in Nigeria has incurred lots of karmic debts over the years owing its trafficking in ''ungoverned'' business pursuits. In 2017, the Financial Reporting Council (FRC) sought to bring transparency into the church business, but the agency’s noble endeavour was resisted and its boss sacked. Not that anyone is alleging that there is corruption in the church enterprise, but all proprietors of such businesses must submit their organisations to regulatory scrutiny.


We want a country where things work but we do not want to be governed by laws. We want to live by our own self-made canons. We conform to the standards abroad when we jet out, but we persist in our “quotidian Nigerian ways” when we are in the country. How do we make progress?


The church holds a formidable place in society. It must be not be found wanting before God and man.
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https://punchng.com/can-rejects-cama-says-govt-cannot-control-churches/[/quote]

These churches want to eat their cakes and still have it.

It's like holding a short spoon and planning to dine with the devil

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Let them think about this....

seunmsg:
Rejecting the new law in the media won't have any effect. The new CAMA is now a law that must be complied with by all afeected parties. If CAN feels that the law violates the fundamental and constitutional right of its members, they should go ahead and challenge the legality of the law in a court of competent jurisdiction. Anything other than that is just empty noise.

U want a Muslim to control church

seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up

Hope they are controlling the mosques too

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Youraba Muslim we heard that you people are supported by ISIS

Only an occultic and demonic soul would support these, people are just envying the Church, a Church that stands with God can never be intimidated. If you want to regulate the Church, tend what have you provided for the Church?

There may be deeper plans to this than we know now, but only a mortal of shallow mind will think that this is just about appointing and managing the Church.

Whoever plans to plant moles in the Church of God, shall see the wrath of God upon his/her generations. God is light and the light shall prevail always.

martineverest:
it's not only churches the law affect...mosques and charitable organizations are also affected..besides,the law is similar to what they have in Europe and america

Churches are their targets, oga open your eyes

Omooba77:
Las las we go dey alright.....
I just pray these people will not add religious crisis to already volatile space.......

That's the plan. They really want to plunge the country into avoidable crisis in all sectors.

VULCAN:
CAN is one of the most useless organisations in Nigeria.

An umbrella body of strange bedfellows. Anybody can open a church, even idol worshippers, as long as they send stipends to CAN.

ICAN has more authority over its members than CAN has over its own because ICAN got legal backing to sanction erring members.

Buhari is here to attempt to destroy Christianity. Although God will eventually stop him but for now he has divine backing to make life uncomfortable for those who chose to be more focused on their personal comfort than the well being of the masses in the pews.

ICAN is different from CAN. The latter is bound by freedom while the former isn't

techmo:

Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill.

They've forgotten that this same CAN is the body often called upon to swear in all NASS members claiming Christians!

Well the Bible book of Revelations said this world's Politics will devastate Religion and put an end to it!

When they were enjoying business together, they forgot that it's the same set of people who are practicing Politics that's involved in Religion!

Thanks for this reminder, let them come forward and declare all the members of Nass including the VP unbelievers, after all they're all Christians as they used to claim!

am speechless why now!

If the government can just convert all the churches into factories so that Sunday would be a day of production, you will see Nigeria’s export multiplying and the earnings will replace oil.

techmo:




Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



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Being a Christian doesn't make one a defender of truth, many are Christians but few are believers of Jesus Christ.

Truvel:
Govt Can't, Won't And Would Never Control Churches. Anyone Who Does So Is Only Endangering His Life In D Hands Of God.

if wishes were horses.