GeneralMarshall:


For me,,, the purchase of the Mi-35 gunship and the Super Tucano would obviously change the war. They are the decisive platforms we need to pound ISWAP from the air and frustrate them.

When the air-strikes become regular,,, ISWAP would become helpless and start giving up.

Combine Tucano, Mi-35 and helicopter gunners, then ISWAP and Boko Haram would end sooner. So yes, the purchase would change the war for good, provided the assets are well deployed.

I would prefer Nigeria Air Force buying disctintive attack helicopters like the Mi-28 , supported with tactical transport assault helicopters like the Mi-17sh and Armoured Bell Helicopters,.
With Nigeria Army setting up an Airborne QRF in one of the Super Camps in the Northern Bornu Axis supported with Combat Transport Helos with the UAV of both services providing Real time Mission Images the War will be won.
After that it will be to maintain Surveillance , check migration, drastically reduce weapons flow to the region, if possible the DHq procure Reconnaissance Satellites geopositioned to Mali-Chad-Niger , and Cameroon.
It entails Sincerity of Purpose in planning and procurement and Visionary planning of our defense Chief's.

The Nigeria Navy should also up their game in the Lake Chad , they should alos develop More Tough Desert- Shore Warfighting Capabilities like getting Amphibious IFV, Amphibious TANKS, Coast - Land Artillery, and develop More Eagle eyed Surveillance System in the Lake Area, and also go on the offensive if the need arises. The War will be won , Nigeria needs to take the bull by the horn now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaypLOfxYA

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaypLOfxYA

Probably only the second time I have seen a video of Nigerian howitzers firing, first being on that Vice documentary.

It'll be interesting to see those new SH5 self propelled artillery moving into position and laying down fire while an aircraft provides overwatch.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaypLOfxYA

Nice video but the thermal/infrared mode wasn’t clear enough.

Video clip of destroyed BHT technical by NA



https://twitter.com/chiefojukwu/status/1296333176093073408?s=21

More videos



https://twitter.com/chiefojukwu/status/1296335301476937729?s=21

SamuelAnyawu:


My Owerri has not turned into a battleground yet . Make I do go Annual leave break go chow D-Angels fish

hit me up bro anytime you enter o town

BlackBaron:

Probably only the second time I have seen a video of Nigerian howitzers firing, first being on that Vice documentary.

It'll be interesting to see those new SH5 self propelled artillery moving into position and laying down fire while an aircraft provides overwatch.

I would favor artillery over airstrikes every time, but the time in between the number of rounds was too much....were they giving them time to run away? That first strike out to have had the highest volume of fire, to have the most effect and surprise, ...to me this strike wasn't very effective.

GeneralMarshall:


For me,,, the purchase of the Mi-35 gunship and the Super Tucano would obviously change the war. They are the decisive platforms we need to pound ISWAP from the air and frustrate them.

When the air-strikes become regular,,, ISWAP would become helpless and start giving up.

Combine Tucano, Mi-35 and helicopter gunners, then ISWAP and Boko Haram would end sooner. So yes, the purchase would change the war for good, provided the assets are well deployed.

That's exactly what i'm saying..we currently have the ability to carry out regular air strikes like we have the capacity to carry out about 10 airstrikes in a single day and we can even go like that for about 10 days straight or even more..

JohnEagle96:

I would prefer Nigeria Air Force buying disctintive attack helicopters like the Mi-28 , supported with tactical transport assault helicopters like the Mi-17sh and Armoured Bell Helicopters,.
With Nigeria Army setting up an Airborne QRF in one of the Super Camps in the Northern Bornu Axis supported with Combat Transport Helos with the UAV of both services providing Real time Mission Images the War will be won.
After that it will be to maintain Surveillance , check migration, drastically reduce weapons flow to the region, if possible the DHq procure Reconnaissance Satellites geopositioned to Mali-Chad-Niger , and Cameroon.
It entails Sincerity of Purpose in planning and procurement and Visionary planning of our defense Chief's.

Sure the Mi-28 would make a good buy for the army air corps, but it is not attractive for the air force, simply because it is not adaptable.

It is purely for attack/combat. It lacks transport capabilities and utility. Hence its out of NAF's purview. That is why NAF has stuck to its Mi-35 series which can attack like the Mi-28 and still transport troops, ammo, medicals, evacuate wounded, and many utilities roles.

Unless the army is getting an air corps, we might never use the Mi-28.

And I personally don't want the army having an air corps.

Lurker4Long:
Can someone please explain to me the antagonism against South Africa, expressed by some in this thread?
I follow about 30 military sites around the world - mostly based in countries which buy SA defence hardware - and all run all sorts of stories about SA.
But it is mostly here that I read uninformed antipathy.

For example: Nigeria bought about 40 REVA APCs and neglected to include on-going and future maintenance and spare parts in the final contract. Those vehicles have been run to the ground. Ordinarily the fault would be abscribed to the buyer, but I've seen instances where the manufacturer is being blamed.

Never mind that REVA APCs are still going and performing superbly in Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Egypt, Thailand, UAE, Iraqi Kurdistan, Equatorial Guinea and various US police SWAT teams.

So what's the carping really about?

Are you new to nairaland mate? We have different set of people, a few are given to kak spewing. The antipathy isn't a general thing no?

GeneralMarshall:


Sure the Mi-28 would make a good buy for the army air corps, but it is not attractive for the air force, simply because it is not adaptable.

It is purely for attack/combat. It lacks transport capabilities and utility. Hence its out of NAF's purview. That is why NAF has stuck to its Mi-35 series whichever can attack like the Mi-28 and still transport troops, ammo, medicals, evacuate wounded, and many utilities roles.

Unless the army is getting an air corps, we might never use the Mi-28.

And I personally don't want the army having an air corps.

I would want to them to have an air corps for rapid troop transport in emergencies situations like that of magumeri where reinforcement can be ambushed or gate late to the party.
Attack helicopters should be provided for CAS missions the Air Force is reluctant to undertake

bidexiii:
Video clip of destroyed BHT technical by NA



https://twitter.com/chiefojukwu/status/1296333176093073408?s=21

Obviously, the bastards abandoned the technicals on sighting the NAF aircrafts. We would need a combination of jets and drones for surgical strikes in the future. The fear of the unknown will destabilize any force. Their strategies needs to be countered with a better strategy until they run out of options.

persius555:


Obviously, the bastards abandoned the technicals on sighting the NAF aircrafts. We would need a combination of jets and drones for surgical strikes in the future. The fear of the unknown will destabilize any force. Their strategies needs to be countered with a better strategy until they run out of options.

Abeg, don't abuse the word surgical

GeneralMarshall:


Sure the Mi-28 would make a good buy for the army air corps, but it is not attractive for the air force, simply because it is not adaptable.

It is purely for attack/combat. It lacks transport capabilities and utility. Hence its out of NAF's purview. That is why NAF has stuck to its Mi-35 series which can attack like the Mi-28 and still transport troops, ammo, medicals, evacuate wounded, and many utilities roles.

Unless the army is getting an air corps, we might never use the Mi-28.

And I personally don't want the army having an air corps.

Did you see how the soldiers were showering praises on the NAF in bidexii's last twitter post. Seems an air corp for the army will go a long way in this war. We just need to find a way of ensuring proper sysnergy between the NAF and NA.
The DHQ has its hands filled.

GeneralMarshall:


Abeg, don't abuse the word surgical

persius555:


Did you see how the soldiers were showering praises on the NAF in bidexii's last twitter post. Seems an air corp for the army will go a long way in this war. We just need to find a way of ensuring proper sysnergy between the NAF and NA.
The DHQ has its hands filled.

The air corps is whole service of its own, with huge trainning, maintenance, skills, engineers, ratings, funding reqirements, hangar, logistics etc. It is very easy to wish it but haha,,, its hectic to establish and sustain it.

The matter had been assessed top army experts and no one heard from them anymore.

Giving the army air combat would make officers weak and lazy in tactics,,, always calling the air corps like the incapable US army. I prefer the NA fight and suffer like they are doing now. Therein lies our strength.

Air support should be left where it is,,,...... with the air force.

GeneralMarshall:


The air corps is whole service of its own, with huge trainning, maintenance, skills, engineers, ratings, funding reqirements, hangar, logistics etc. It is very easy to wish it but haha,,, its hectic to establish and sustain it.

The matter had been assessed top army experts and no one heard from them anymore.

Giving the army air combat would make officers weak and lazy in tactics,,, always calling the air corps like the incapable US army. I prefer the NA fight and suffer like they are doing now. Therein lies our strength

Air support should be left where it is,,,...... with the air force.

The way una dey take dey analyse security issues is shocking. nawa o! This one don pass arm chair General matter.

ugo4u:

The way una dey take dey analyse security issues is shocking. nawa o! This one don pass arm chair General matter.

Guy, contribute na. Give a counter argument,,, let us see. Its not ok to just critique without points.

And don't call anyone arm chair general.

I'm of the opinion the army should have it's own helicopters but I think they should have mainly LUHs with Mi35 being the limit for an attack platform.

Organic airlift and air attack will decrease response time for air assets and allow the army to much easier sustain long range ops since they allocate their own platforms and not have to borrow from another service.

Airforce helos should be mainly dedicated attack platforms (Mi28, KA 50, Z10, AH64, etc). The sensors and weapons packages will help them utilize the platforms more effectively at interdiction.

Thing is, the war in N.E is a DHQ effort. I still stand with the opinion that the issue lies at the liaison sphere. How effective is NA-NAF communication.

I believe with good planning DHQ can keep platforms tied to response for great distress .

The way I imagine it is like contour lines drawn across the theatre with the lines/spheres representing Attack frequency, Distance and Level of support needed. That way, there could be platforms spared for such a prom.

Cc: ugo4u Tobiloba et al

#Breaking

Leader of ISIS in the greater Sahara(ISGS), abdel Hakim AK-sahrawi, has been killed by French commandos in Niger

https://twitter.com/DonKlericuzio/status/1296586221385396224?s=19

Source : don Klericuzio

NAF INTENSIFIES AIR OFFENSIVE AGAINST TERRORISTS IN THE NORTH EAST AS AIR TASK FORCE LAUNCHES OPERATION HAIL STORM

As the effort to rid the North East of the Country of all terrorist elements intensifies, the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), through the Air Task Force of Operation LAFIYA DOLE, has launched subsidiary Operation HAIL STORM. The Operation, which commenced on 15 August 2020, is aimed at destroying identified Islamic State of West Africa Province (ISWAP) and Boko Haram Terrorists’ (BHTs’) targets in the Lake Chad and Sambisa Forest areas of Borno State in order to restore lasting peace to affected communities in the North East.

Through effective planning as well as the dedication of its pilots, engineers, technicians and support elements, the Air Task Force has so far conducted series of day and night attacks, destroying several terrorists’ targets and neutralizing scores of their fighters. The Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, while in Maiduguri from 18 - 20 August 2020 on operational visit to assess the conduct of the operation, commended the NAF personnel for their commitment and bravery. He urged them to sustain the momentum of operations while working closely with the ground forces to make the area untenable for the insurgents so that law-abiding citizens can return to their homes/farms and pursue their legitimate aspirations without fear.

GeneralMarshall:


The air corps is whole service of its own, with huge trainning, maintenance, skills, engineers, ratings, funding reqirements, hangar, logistics etc. It is very easy to wish it but haha,,, its hectic to establish and sustain it.

The matter had been assessed top army experts and no one heard from them anymore.

Giving the army air combat would make officers weak and lazy in tactics,,, always calling the air corps like the incapable US army. I prefer the NA fight and suffer like they are doing now. Therein lies our strength.

Air support should be left where it is,,,...... with the air force.

the essence of war is not to die for your country but to make the other idiot die for his .. general montgomery


Oga our soldiers becoming weak and tactically ineffective cos of "CAS" and air support , that is suppose to save lives of troops, preserve them for another engagement, reduce cost in training of a single soldiers and ensure that the army is service not a cannon fodder killing field system.

Mhnen your submission is wahala personified . It goes in line with most officers think about Their NCOs as dispensable assets instead of realising that a soldier lost is a wound torn open. Just like ww1 where officers are tasked with death quotas to show they are working am beginning to see most ambushes and lost engagement in that light.

Bros, well you need to have a day in the field, with virtually little cover and fire support then we will know whatsup.

This submission one is out of the word "e no make sense"

ugo4u:

The way una dey take dey analyse security issues is shocking. nawa o! This one don pass arm chair General matter.

e tire me o

fufubear:
I'm of the opinion the army should have it's own helicopters but I think they should have mainly LUHs with Mi35 being the limit for an attack platform.

Organic airlift and air attack will decrease response time for air assets and allow the army to much easier sustain long range ops since they allocate their own platforms and not have to borrow from another service.

Airforce helos should be mainly dedicated attack platforms (Mi28, KA 50, Z10, AH64, etc). The sensors and weapons packages will help them utilize the platforms more effectively at interdiction.

my belief all this while has been if the army air corps was to come into full operation, they should be restricted to full CAS, utility , recon and medium assault while the airforce does the heavy lifting .

In that vein having a good number of gazelle helicopters , or fenac helos would do for on the spot CAS, the gifting of some of MI series in the airforce inventory to the army , then the puma helos etc

The airforce concentrates on assault and utility on their own side .

JohnEagle96:

I would want to them to have an air corps for rapid troop transport in emergencies situations like that of magumeri where reinforcement can be ambushed or gate late to the party.
Attack helicopters should be provided for CAS missions the Air Force is reluctant to undertake

there's no need to argue whether NA is having an Air division.
They are.A big hangar has been built in Ikeja along side accomodations for the pilots.
Another one is to be set up in Borno
Which according to the COAS will accommodate UCAVs and helos

JohnEagle96:
The Nigeria Navy should also up their game in the Lake Chad , they should alos develop More Tough Desert- Shore Warfighting Capabilities like getting Amphibious IFV, Amphibious TANKS, Coast - Land Artillery, and develop More Eagle eyed Surveillance System in the Lake Area, and also go on the offensive if the need arises. The War will be won , Nigeria needs to take the bull by the horn now.

You mean forming a marine force.

fufubear:
I'm of the opinion the army should have it's own helicopters but I think they should have mainly LUHs with Mi35 being the limit for an attack platform.

Organic airlift and air attack will decrease response time for air assets and allow the army to much easier sustain long range ops since they allocate their own platforms and not have to borrow from another service.

Airforce helos should be mainly dedicated attack platforms (Mi28, KA 50, Z10, AH64, etc). The sensors and weapons packages will help them utilize the platforms more effectively at interdiction.

Nice submission. But the fact remains that all the capabilities you mentioned can be better provided by the NAF, by restructuring their operations and buying more platforms.

Faster airlift, CAS, recon, etc can be better provided by the NAF if their organization is restructured and streamlined with the army's structure. And more platforms provided.

I don't support army officers having direct control of air assets cos all they would do is call in air support for the least of battles. That is the bane of the US army, they are dependent on air corps for everything.

So, restructure the NAF to align with the army's operations , so that the CAS, airlift, recon, etc are all NAF's job.

Toju200:
there's no need to argue whether NA is having an Air division.
They are.A big hangar has been built in Ikeja along side accomodations for the pilots.
Another one is to be set up in Borno
Which according to the COAS will accommodate UCAVs and helos

So, who is arguing. You think training a pilot is the same as trainning a soldier.

Or you think air assets are like artillery that can sit idle.

Army should focus on land war and strengthen their tactics. While the NAF should be decentralized and equipped to provide rapid response to the army. Simple.

An army air corps sometimes weakens the army officers, if not well used.

Odunayaw:
Thing is, the war in N.E is a DHQ effort. I still stand with the opinion that the issue lies at the liaison sphere. How effective is NA-NAF communication.

I believe with good planning DHQ can keep platforms tied to response for great distress .

The way I imagine it is like contour lines drawn across the theatre with the lines/spheres representing Attack frequency, Distance and Level of support needed. That way, there could be platforms spared for such a prom.

Cc: ugo4u Tobiloba et al

You are very correct. The solution lies strongly in the NA-NAF communication. And the availability of NAF assets.

Pushing a new service on the NA that lacks modern land weapons is lunacy. The money they would use to buy tanks,,, they would spend trainning pilots.