There is a great need for all who are in Christ Jesus to come to a point where we attain the unity of faith; for we are members of one body in Christ through the Spirit. Therefore, We can only achieve unity of faith through reading the Bible by the insight of the Holy Ghost: feeding on the Word with the guidiance of the Author.

CONCERNING THE TRINITY: From the scriptures, It's obvious that God, His son and His Spirit are one.

-1-
God is the God of Truth (Isaiah65:16),
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth (John14:17),
and Jesus Who is God is the Truth
( John1:1&2; John14:6)

-2-
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Jesus:
For He is The Spirit of God
(Genesis1:2; Matthew3:16; Acts2:17; Romans8:14)
And also the Spirit of His Son Jesus Christ.
(Romans8:14; Galatians4:6)

-3-
And here is the mystery: to those whom it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God.
Jesus said"I and my Father are one"
(John10:30)
And both are one with the Spirit (1John5:7)

Ponder on this:
If it be so that a man can be joined to his wife and they become one flesh, how much more they that are spirit: if we beign different individuals are baptized into the same body by the Spirit How much more the Father and His Son [His Word]
(1Cor.6:17; 1cor.12:13)

LET US, therefore, never forget the Lord's prayer:
" That they may be one... even as we are one" (John17:21&22)

To those who love Christ:
Shalom.

Csonice1:
There is a great need for all who are in Christ Jesus to come to a point where we attain the unity of faith; for we are members of one body in Christ through the Spirit. Therefore, We can only achieve unity of faith through reading the Bible by the insight of the Holy Ghost: feeding on the Word with the guidiance of the Author.

CONCERNING THE TRINITY: From the scriptures, It's obvious that God, His son and His Spirit are one.

-1-
God is the God of Truth (Isaiah65:16),
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth (John14:17),
and Jesus Who is God is the Truth
( John1:1&2; John14:6)

-2-
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Jesus:
For He is The Spirit of God
(Genesis1:2; Matthew3:16; Acts2:17; Romans8:14)
And also the Spirit of His Son Jesus Christ.
(Romans8:14; Galatians4:6)

-3-
And here is the mystery: to those whom it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God.
Jesus said"I and my Father are one"
(John10:30)
And both are one with the Spirit (1John5:7)

Ponder on this:
If it be so that a man can be joined to his wife and they become one flesh, how much more they that are spirit: if we beign different individuals are baptized into the same body by the Spirit How much more the Father and His Son [His Word]
(1Cor.6:17; 1cor.12:13)

LET US, therefore, never forget the Lord's prayer:
" That they may be one... even as we are one" (John17:21&22)

To those who love Christ:
Shalom.

"That they may be one'
What does it mean sir?
Following your logics, Can I apply Trinity concept there too?

haddeylium:


"That they may be one'
What does it mean sir?
Following your logics, Can I apply Trinity concept there too?

The whole Church as we know it, is the body of Christ: one Body, one Spirit: for whosoever is joined to the Lord is one Spirit. And this is a mystery that even though we are many members : we are baptized into the same body (Christ) by the Spirit. And this unity is perfected through Godly (agape) Love.

Csonice1:


The whole Church as we know it, is the body of Christ: one Body, one Spirit: for whosoever is joined to the Lord is one Spirit. And this is a mystery that even though we are many members : we are baptized into the same body (Christ) by the Spirit. And this unity is perfected through Godly (agape) Love.

I'm yet to understand you but, I know you're making a point
But in clear terms what did Jesus mean by "that they may be one"?

haddeylium:


I'm yet to understand you but, I know you're making a point
But in clear terms what did Jesus mean by "that they may be one"?

haddeylium:


I'm yet to understand you but, I know you're making a point
But in clear terms what did Jesus mean by "that they may be one"?

United through God's Spirit; one Body, one soul one Spirit.
This unity is perfected through love and agreement: though they are different persons(members,parts), they become one: the body of Christ.

As an image of the Trinity; living out the life of God on Earth.

Csonice1:


United through God's Spirit; one Body, one soul one Spirit.
This unity is perfected through love and agreement: though they are different persons(members,parts), they become one: the body of Christ.

As an image of the Trinity; living out the life of God on Earth.

Thank you
They're one in essence of being in Union and agreement right?
Could the same be said of Jesus and his Father?
'That they may be one'; 'even as we are one'

haddeylium:




Thank you
They're one in essence of being in Union and agreement right?
Could the same be said of Jesus and his Father?
'That they may be one'; 'even as we are one'

Theirs is much more powerful;
for they coexist from the beginning, and are one. they are also in Union and agreement through the Spirit; the church is meant to be a reflection (an image) of this mystery.

Csonice1:


Theirs is much more powerful;
for they coexist from the beginning, and are one. they are also in Union and agreement through the Spirit; the church is meant to be a reflection (an image) of this mystery.

Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

It's a bitter truth to some but at the end of the day, it is what it is - Trinity is unbiblical.
The only issue I have with JW's stand in the Trinity or No Trinity doctrine is them falsely equating Jesus with Angel Michael.
That's outrageously false!!!

Blabbermouth:
It's a bitter truth to some but at the end of the day, it is what it is - Trinity is unbiblical.
The only issue I have with JW's stand in the Trinity or No Trinity doctrine is them falsely equating Jesus with Angel Michael.
That's outrageously false!!!

If I may?
Have you always known from the beginning that trinity is unbiblical or you've held the view for some extent?

haddeylium:


If I may?
Have you always known from the beginning that trinity is unbiblical or you've held the view for some extent?

I was an Xmuslim. False doctrines stem from the church system that enforces believers to belong to a particular sect and pledge allegiance to whatever doctrine the sect you belong to feed you with. Luckily, I belong to no denomination and belong to no sect, thus, I've been Liberal and open to the truth of Christ with the humility to Unlearn and relearn as childish as necessary. From the beginning, I knew Trinity was unbiblical.

haddeylium:


Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

Ok. I thought it not wise to speak;
But I will drop this:
John1

haddeylium:


Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

Ok.

Haddeylium, I thought you were going to do me the honor of explaining how Jesus is the same with Angel Michael?

Blabbermouth:

I was an Xmuslim. False doctrines stem from the church system that enforces believers to belong to a particular sect and pledge allegiance to whatever doctrine the sect you belong to feed you with. Luckily, I belong to no denomination and belong to no sect, thus, I've been Liberal and open to the truth of Christ with the humility to Unlearn and relearn as childish as necessary. From the beginning, I knew Trinity was unbiblical.

Your background really help in better grasp of it but I must commend you for how intelligent and open-minded you sound?
You might be right...God does not teach that a person can please God by just being a member of a religion.
To be approved, someone's religion must affect is everyday life; clean, undefiled, free of man-made doctrines (as you stated) and paganism as rampant it is today.

But, while we are at this
As someone not belonging to an organized religion..
How can I apply these God's word
Hebrews 10:24, 25- let us consider one another so as to motivate to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together.[b][/b]”​—
And didn't tell his followers to to form and an organized group which other can emulate as being unique?
By this all will know that you are my disciples​—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35)
'Having love for the whole 'association' of brotherhood nko(1pet2:17)

haddeylium:


Your background really help in better grasp of it but I must commend you for how intelligent and open-minded you sound?
You might be right...God does not teach that a person can please God by just being a member of a religion.
To be approved, someone's religion must affect is everyday life; clean, undefiled, free of man-made doctrines (as you stated) and paganism as rampant it is today.

But, while we are at this
As someone not belonging to an organized religion..
How can I apply these God's word
Hebrews 10:24, 25- let us consider one another so as to motivate to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together.[/b]”​—
And didn't tell his followers to to form and an organized group which other can emulate as being unique?
By this all will know that you are my disciples​—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35)
'Having love for the whole 'association' of brotherhood nko(1pet2:17)

If you want to bold a text, use the "[b]" to preceed the texts (the way an open bracket works) then use the "[/b]" to close the texts (the way a close bracket works)...
Jesus does not belong to any church or denomination. Peter, paul, apollos, James, and them all never were JW nor Reedemers, Catholics and what have you... If only everyone were like this (not pledging allegiance to any sect or denomination), you would have seen how glorious and infallible christianity will be today.
Back to the theme of the discussion, i'm more concerned as to how Jesus is the same as Angel Michael.

Blabbermouth:
Haddeylium, I thought you were going to do me the honor of explaining how Jesus is the same with Angel Michael?

I'm so sorry, I was busy with some things
Truth is , I know how strange it sound to some:
They will be like, Christ name is Jesus and not archangel Micheal...
But, we should know that it's not uncommon for individual to be known by more a name
Case of Jacob as isreal; Peter as Simon..

Follow this closely
-God's word refer to Michael as *The archangel *(Jude 9)
Archangel means *cheif angel*
Notice he was referred to as *The archangel*
This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural.

Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.”
Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Another to consider
-The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-

-And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22)

Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven​—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—​it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role

While we are at it..
Do you believe Jesus is God's messenger?
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Blabbermouth:

If you want to bold a text, use the "" to preceed the texts (the way an open bracket works) then use the "[/b]" to close the texts (the way a close bracket works)...
Jesus does not belong to any church or denomination. Peter, paul, apollos, James, and them all never were JW nor Reedemers, Catholics and what have you... If only everyone were like this (not pledging allegiance to any sect or denomination), you would have seen how glorious and infallible christianity will be today.
Back to the theme of the discussion, i'm more concerned as to how Jesus is the same as Angel Michael.

""Thank you so much"[/b]"...You should see how I have been struggling with it..lol
You're right ...Jesus didn't teach that all religion or ways leads to salvation...Rather, he said it's just one and it's even narrow and just few point walk it.
The Bible only teach one true form of Christianity

Jesus said that he taught “the truth,” and early Christians referred to their religion as “the truth.” (John 8:​32it shows that those who promote doctrines that conflict with Jesus’ teachings(like Trinity you mentioned) are not practicing a true form of Christianity.

Didn't christ said true Christain will speak in a angreement.(1 Corinthians 1:​10) However, many Christian denominations disagree on teachings that are so basic. Could that denomination be alright?

And Don't forget that Christ prophesied that **many** will claim to be Christain and he reject them(more than 42,000 denomination now, Didn't Christ see foretold this? (Matthew 7:​21-​23; Luke 6:​46) Some people would be misled by religious leaders who corrupt true worship to further their own interests(act -20;29)

Withstanding all these
There will always be dinstinction between true christainity and false...How clear it is.

You're are yet to reply me on how I can apply the Hebrew text 'of not forsaking meeting together tho'

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haddeylium:


Thank you so much
You're right ...Jesus didn't teach that all religion or ways leads to salvation...Rather, he said it's just one and it's even narrow and just few point walk it.
The Bible only teach one true form of Christianity

Jesus said that he taught “the truth,” and early Christians referred to their religion as “the truth.” (John 8:​32it shows that those who promote doctrines that conflict with Jesus’ teachings(like Trinity you mentioned) are not practicing a true form of Christianity.

Didn't christ said true Christain will speak in a angreement.(1 Corinthians 1:​10) However, many Christian denominations disagree on teachings that are so basic. Could that denomination be alright?

And Don't forget that Christ prophesied that **many** will claim to be Christain and he reject them(more than 42,000 denomination now, Didn't Christ see foretold this? (Matthew 7:​21-​23; Luke 6:​46) Some people would be misled by religious leaders who corrupt true worship to further their own interests(act -20;29)

Withstanding all these
There will always be dinstinction between true christainity and false...How clear it is.

You're are yet to reply me on how I can apply the Hebrew text 'of not forsaking meeting together tho'

This nairaland religion section is a kind of "meeting together".
I still had an edifying Word Study with some Christian brothers Last Sunday, that is a kind of " meeting together".
Sometimes, I attend church programs (yea, even the traditional Sunday program) and fellowship with my God, that is a kind of "meeting together". Been to and still attend C.A.C, Redeem, MFM, Living Faith and many many denomination's services.
A whatsapp platform for regimented chain prayers, or one for Word study, and co. Is another form of " meeting together"...
It's not about where we "meet together" it's more about the system on which the "meeting together" is built.
The biggest issue with a denomination-based system of Christianity is producing one-sided baked Christians.... To be continued.
While we are at this, let me ask you a quick question.
Are we actually in the last Days?

Blabbermouth:

I was an Xmuslim. False doctrines stem from the church system that enforces believers to belong to a particular sect and pledge allegiance to whatever doctrine the sect you belong to feed you with. Luckily, I belong to no denomination and belong to no sect, thus, I've been Liberal and open to the truth of Christ with the humility to Unlearn and relearn as childish as necessary. From the beginning, I knew Trinity was unbiblical.

Bible is as erroneous as the Qur'an. Leave all cults brother

Xmuslim:

Bible is as erroneous as the Qur'an. Leave all cults brother

So what happens if someone tells you that those who don't believe in God are Cultists?
I remembered you and i had a thorough discuss on true Christianity but you just concluded that you're not interested in being subjected to any Religion.
For your information, God purposely created humans to worship him, so no matter what you say or do 99.9% of humans will continue to practice one Religion or the other!
So the only solution is what you're all running away from which is recognizing the one and only Religion that's approved by God, you'll notice that you can't even forgo the discussion about worship because you were created to be your brother's keeper in helping him to distinguish between right or wrong. But the irony of this is the fact that you are shooting yourself in the foot each time you try to debunk the gravitational force that's sustaining this instinct in them "GOD"

Maximus69:

So what happens if someone tells you that those who don't believe in God are Cultists?
I remembered you and i had a thorough discuss on true Christianity but you just concluded that you're not interested in being subjected to any Religion.
For your information, God purposely created humans to worship him, so no matter what you say or do 99.9% of humans will continue to practice one Religion or the other!
So the only solution is what you're all running away from which is recognizing the one and only Religion that's approved by God, you'll notice that you can't even forgo the discussion about worship because you were created to be your brother's keeper in helping him to distinguish between right or wrong. But the irony of this is the fact that you are shooting yourself in the foot each time you try to debunk the gravitational force that's sustaining this instinct in them "GOD"

The supposed atheists think they're the only ones who get to call others names

Maximus69:

So what happens if someone tells you that those who don't believe in God are Cultists?
I remembered you and i had a thorough discuss on true Christianity but you just concluded that you're not interested in being subjected to any Religion.
For your information, God purposely created humans to worship him, so no matter what you say or do 99.9% of humans will continue to practice one Religion or the other!
So the only solution is what you're all running away from which is recognizing the one and only Religion that's approved by God, you'll notice that you can't even forgo the discussion about worship because you were created to be your brother's keeper in helping him to distinguish between right or wrong. But the irony of this is the fact that you are shooting yourself in the foot each time you try to debunk the gravitational force that's sustaining this instinct in them "GOD"

story story

Your god isn't self sufficient that he need human to worship him. For what exactly . The concept of worship is itself laughable

DappaD:



The supposed atheists think they're the only ones who get to call others names

When i was young my uncle told me that his friend who doesn't believe in going to church or mosque must be a Cultist (though there's no proof)

The funny part of this is that Pastors taught their Church members not to listen when JWs come to preach God's word because JWs are Cultists, now an atheist (who doesn't believe in God) is also accusing all those who claims to believe in God referring to them as Cultists!

So Cultists are everywhere!

Xmuslim:
story story

Your god isn't self sufficient that he need human to worship him. For what exactly . The concept of worship is itself laughable

The most laughable part of this is how your 100% attention is on the issue whereas you can't find any solution in sight!

Blabbermouth:

This nairaland religion section is a kind of "meeting together".
I still had an edifying Word Study with some Christian brothers Last Sunday, that is a kind of " meeting together".
Sometimes, I attend church programs (yea, even the traditional Sunday program) and fellowship with my God, that is a kind of "meeting together". Been to and still attend C.A.C, Redeem, MFM, Living Faith and many many denomination's services.
A whatsapp platform for regimented chain prayers, or one for Word study, and co. Is another form of " meeting together"...
It's not about where we "meet together" it's more about the system on which the "meeting together" is built.
The biggest issue with a denomination-based system of Christianity is producing one-sided baked Christians.... To be continued.
While we are at this, let me ask you a quick question.
Are we actually in the last Days?

Is that how you define 'not forsaking meeting/assembling together'-
You can meet and assemble : just only on social medias
How about people that don't have access to this platform?

How did Jesus' apostles and early christain understood this instructions?
The disciples of Christ associate with fellow believers. They're organized into congregations that meet regularly for worship. (1 Corinthians 16:19) and they form a world-wide brotherhood (1 pet 2:17)

Yunno, it's hilarious when you mentioned you congregate with others denomination with different doctrines.
Would Jesus that teach that his disciples to have this same line of thought be happy about this?
"that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."(1 cor 1:10)
How comfortable are you with people that worship the truine God?(which you attest to be unscriptural)

only religion that is based on truth leads people to God. This truth is found in the Bible. (John 4:​24; 17:17)
Religions whose teachings conflict with the Bible is not from God and it steer people away from him.
Teaching like the Trinity, immortality or eternal toment.
So,Worship that promotes such teachings is “in vain,” or useless, because it replaces God’s requirements with religious traditions.​—Mark 7:​7, 8.
Yunno, I commend people that change their religion in search for truth. It shows how undogmatic they are.
But, what if the search of the truth is not over yet?(like Apollo that needs more teaching)
How can you recognize the true religion?
What fruits does the true religion and false produce?

haddeylium:



Is that how you define 'not forsaking meeting/assembling together'-
You can meet and assemble : just only on social medias
How about people that don't have access to this platform?

My examples were sufficient enough to cover every situation and every cases.

How did Jesus' apostles and early christain understood this instructions?
The disciples of Christ associate with fellow believers. They're organized into congregations that meet regularly for worship. (1 Corinthians 16:19) and they form a world-wide brotherhood (1 pet 2:17)

One of my examples covered this.

Yunno, it's hilarious when you mentioned you congregate with others denomination with different doctrines.
Would Jesus that teach that his disciples to have this same line of thought be happy about this?
"that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."(1 cor 1:10)
How comfortable are you with people that worship the truine God?(which you attest to be unscriptural)

only religion that is based on truth leads people to God. This truth is found in the Bible. (John 4:​24; 17:17)
Religions whose teachings conflict with the Bible is not from God and it steer people away from him.
Teaching like the Trinity, immortality or eternal toment.
So,Worship that promotes such teachings is “in vain,” or useless, because it replaces God’s requirements with religious traditions.​—Mark 7:​7, 8.
Yunno, I commend people that change their religion in search for truth. It shows how undogmatic they are.
But, what if the search of the truth is not over yet?(like Apollo that needs more teaching)
How can you recognize the true religion?
What fruits does the true religion and false produce?

Sir, we will discuss this in detail in a jiffy. Please answer my question
Are we really in the last days?

Blabbermouth:

My examples were sufficient enough to cover every situation and every cases.

One of my examples covered this.

Sir, we will discuss this in detail in a jiffy. Please answer my question
Are we really in the last days?

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The Bible shows the event that will occur to show that we're in the last days or the end of the conclusion of things

Consider
War on a large scale.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4.

Famine.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:​5, 6.

Great earthquakes.​—Luke 21:11.

Pestilences, or epidemics of “terrible diseases.”​—Luke 21:11

Increase of crime.​—Matthew 24:12.

Ruining of the earth by mankind.​—Revelation 11:18.

Love of God growing cold in most people.​—Matthew 24:12.

displays of religious hypocrisy and false religion on large scale.​—2 Timothy 3:5.

*Global preaching of the good news of the Kingdom.​—Matthew 24:14.*

There will simultaneous fulfillment of all these prophecies
Matthew 24:33 [b"Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors."][/b]

haddeylium:
l

The Bible shows the event that will occur to show that we're in the last days or the end of the conclusion of things

Consider
War on a large scale.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4.

Famine.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:​5, 6.

Great earthquakes.​—Luke 21:11.

Pestilences, or epidemics of “terrible diseases.”​—Luke 21:11

Increase of crime.​—Matthew 24:12.

Ruining of the earth by mankind.​—Revelation 11:18.

Love of God growing cold in most people.​—Matthew 24:12.

displays of religious hypocrisy and false religion on large scale.​—2 Timothy 3:5.

*Global preaching of the good news of the Kingdom.​—Matthew 24:14.*

There will simultaneous fulfillment of all these prophecies
Matthew 24:33 [b"Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors."][/b]

Wow! I love the fact that you use scriptures to back you stance up.
Haddeylium sir, you said we are in the last days, right?

Blabbermouth:

Wow! I love the fact that you use scriptures to back you stance up.
Haddeylium sir, you said we are in the last days, right?

No, I didn't say so.
The Bible said.

Blabbermouth:

Wow! I love the fact that you use scriptures to back you stance up.
Haddeylium sir, you said we are in the last days, right?

And that's what a true religion teaches. Using God’s Word as guide.​—2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21.
No man-made doctrines or personal ideas exist in it
You have a contrary opinion about what the scripture says about last days?
What about Jesus heavenly role as archangel?
And Jesus as a messenger?