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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by sexylassie2(f): 7:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
I like this law.

It will also monitor money inflows for terrorism, subversion especially by some foreign ngo.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by spiralwedge(m): 7:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
You cant implement such a law without carrying them along in the formulation of such policy.

This is a deliberate attack to control churches especially as the man is an alhaji.

We keep creating problems for ourselves in this country, and foolishly so. From observation, Moslems are very jealous of the Churches, especially in their ability to raise funds. I'm saying this as a neutral.

In a country where there is socio-religious tension already, the ideal thing to do is to involve them on the issues and let them make suggestions. Then you enact a law. That way they are part and parcel of it.

What this country needs most is to accept its diversity and imbibe peaceful coexistence, especially from the top. Such act divides people and it isn't wise.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Sarmiz24(m): 7:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
You expected to get likes and shares from this right bro? But sorry what u wrote here is trash a long one at that.. No one Gives an F bout your lame ass oppinion
TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Regcode: 7:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
Manage the Nigerian resources first
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by benoly(m): 7:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
They are sick
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by bigiyaro(m): 7:15pm On Aug 22, 2020
TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...
your myopia no be here.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by dingbang(m): 7:15pm On Aug 22, 2020
Layksaide:
Please where is that RCCG Pastor?
grin kill me grin
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by bigiyaro(m): 7:16pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?
you are too stupid to be an Igbo man

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by dingbang(m): 7:17pm On Aug 22, 2020
And yes. Churches must declare their end of year financial statement especially profit before tax cheesy

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by wisest10: 7:17pm On Aug 22, 2020
Why will you ask religious bodies to submit their finances..it uncalled for..
CAN should take a law suit against this nonsense called bill.
I wonder what the Senate were thinking when passing this bill..
Nobody should quote me,if you dont like my comment ask federal government to revoke this law

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Jeromejnr(m): 7:18pm On Aug 22, 2020
adekolaelect:
Many Nigerians are senseless they couldn't like to pay tax for government that can offer them Roads ,Hospitals and many other things but like contributing for religious Leaders who has nothing to offer them than promising Imaginary Heaven which no one had ever go and come back to tell us how it is. But the noise of these Christians is too much as if the law only applicable to churches only .They will only blame government for everything they lack but failed to Question where they contributed their major hard earn resource to simply because of religious sentiment .

Yeah they have one of the lowest crime rate, but they don't talk about how cold the citizens are to each other especially strangers, and how aloof they are in the interests of others, or the loneliness that can kill you and also the prejudice.

You have not been there to know how unfriendly the place is and how its almost impossible for citizens themselves to have close friends. Or how crimes are usually reported but hardly investigated.

But no, what do you do, you just regurgitate what you have heard online and try to sound smart.

You can try Sweden.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Kiezodumah(m): 7:19pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

The govt are the real Scammers. The country called Nigeria is a SCAM

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Openbusiness: 7:20pm On Aug 22, 2020
porka:


Please name the agency responsible for regulating CHURCHES in the US and how the 'regulations' are done.

Thank you.
u dey mind dat one? Mtchwwwwwww.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by gassbee: 7:21pm On Aug 22, 2020
Wao dis is really getting serious
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by brainhgeek(m): 7:21pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

In what ways have they protected Nigerians from the stings of the Dezianis,Magus,Sambos and their cohots? Let them perfect the cleansing of their homes first before they start the religious witch-hunting.
CAMA is not really evil if done with a pure intention but from this government, we all know where they are coming from and going to.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by xcelentattitude(m): 7:21pm On Aug 22, 2020
Songs of Solomon 1:6

Do not gaze at me because I am dark, because the sun has looked upon me. My mother’s sons were angry with me; they made me keeper of the vineyards, but my own vineyard I have not kept!


They have left their primary assignment o

What they have been assigned to do, they have done not

The church of God is marching on and the gate of hell shall not, will not and cannot prevail!

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Sleekmilan01(m): 7:22pm On Aug 22, 2020
The bill will never pass
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by israelmao(m): 7:22pm On Aug 22, 2020
Directionless government on another wild goose chase.EFCC,NDDC,DMO are all in deep scandals,why should church be their target?

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by ekestic1976(f): 7:22pm On Aug 22, 2020
TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by doggedfighter(f): 7:22pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers
I concur
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by jcross19: 7:23pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?
This is coming from atheist !!!
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Stillthebest: 7:24pm On Aug 22, 2020
athaboi:
FG is the greatest scammer of all time

Govt is a scam in Nig. Agreed.

But they serve some purposes no matter how failed they are.

What purpose do religious places serve with the tithes/offering they collect.

Instead their heads build universities that their members cant attend and compete in wearing designer Gucci like hushpuppy, buy two ot more private jets like Tinubu and Davido's father, ...
However dilapidated, many ppl won't have had a secondary and tertiary education if these churches are the only ones providing such. Gone are the days when we have good missionary schools that are almost free with European standards.

Has God changed?

These men live flamboyantly even when they have never done any job in their entire lives except for being pastors. Muslims are exempted from this. I haven't seen any Imam having a jet.

Religious bodies should be regulated. Betterment of a country starts lil by Lil.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by spiralwedge(m): 7:25pm On Aug 22, 2020
adekolaelect:
Many Nigerians are senseless they couldn't like to pay tax for government that can offer them Roads ,Hospitals and many other things but like contributing for religious Leaders who has nothing to offer them than promising Imaginary Heaven which no one had ever go and come back to tell us how it is. But the noise of these Christians is too much as if the law only applicable to churches only .They will only blame government for everything they lack but failed to Question where they contributed their major hard earn resource to simply because of religious sentiment .

With all the taxes you've paid, what did you gain? I'm sure you are paddling on a canoe to work whenever it rains in your area and sleep in blackout.

Your civil financial obligations are being mismanaged before your eyes, you did nothing, but to go out in the sun to vote in another thief.

But a voluntary fundraising organisation is where your bones are strong and your mouth sharp. Have you asked them to go enact same law on Ikoyi Club or IBB golf club or your old students association?

You better go check up your brain. It's drifting left.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Nobody: 7:25pm On Aug 22, 2020
Openbusiness:
Oga don't be half clever. CAMA is not the end game. Taxation of religious institutions (Churches especially) is the end game. CAMA is just a means to that end. Once the Federal scammers get their prying eyes into financial inflow of Churches, the next thing they will introduce is taxation. Because your govt is looking for more pockets to rob to maintain their opulent and wasteful lifestyle of living like emperors in the land. So they need more funds. Same way LASG when they got their eyes into how much e-hailing companies were making, next thing na jumbo tax they slammed on them. But the ones they saw they couldn't implement tax on without it backfiring on their head, they shut them down aka Gokada and friends. CAMA is nothing but a step towards taxing religious bodies. Freedom of Worship is a fundamental human rights and religous bodies fall under NON PROFIT organization anywhere in the world. Taxation of religous bodies is equal to religious oppression
both parties are theives so nothing concern us. Muslims dont seem to be crying
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by franugo(m): 7:26pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?

Making sense...
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by vasco01(m): 7:26pm On Aug 22, 2020
As what?
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Nobody: 7:27pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers
Exactly!
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Nobody: 7:27pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

Can you honestly say that your own government is not full of scammers? undecided
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by mkpologwu(m): 7:28pm On Aug 22, 2020
CAC unleashed CAMA on CAN

BTW, CAN should leave their finances in the hands of the real devil, FG and protect the salvation of their souls instead.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Ezmans: 7:29pm On Aug 22, 2020
athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help
it's a good development, it's how it is done in Europe & America you can't use poor people's donations to buy private jets & g wagon
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by eaz(f): 7:30pm On Aug 22, 2020
I respond to those querying whether churches are actually regulated abroad. All Nigerian church franchises abroad are regulated by the government. Their audited finances are made public and are verified by the government. Please find examples below:

https://www.thecable.ng/uk-charity-commission-indicts-christ-embassy-of-fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy

For those that do not understand, the UK charity commission is the body responsible for ensuring that all registered charities like churches, mosques and NGOs are run transparently.

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details?regid=1147718&subid=0 This is Living Faith Church UK audited accounts made public on a website where any church member can access.
https://www.herald.ng/winners-chapel-london-uk-charities-commission-exonerates-living-faith-worldwide/ They were subject of investigation by this same agency some years back and were exonerated.

https://www.thecable.ng/flashback-uk-commission-appointed-interim-managers-mfm-christ-embassy
http://saharareporters.com/2020/08/20/mountain-fire-ministries-still-under-interim-management-%E2%80%94uk-charity-commission This is Mountain of Fire and Miracles story with the same UK Charity commission

https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?subid=0&regid=1084767
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pentecostal-churchs-bank-account-frozen-by-charity-commission-amid-serious-regulatory-concern/128877.htm This is RCCG in UK.

https://www.charitydata.ca/charity/the-redeemed-christian-church-of-god-canada-rccg-canada/867372567RR0001/ This is the Charity data for Canada,

If you know any website in Nigeria that can give this kind of data for any religious organisation or NGO, please feel free to share!

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Ezmans: 7:30pm On Aug 22, 2020
Ezmans:
it's a good development, it's how it is done in Europe & America you can't use poor people's donations to buy private jets & g wagon
church is a charity organization not a business center

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