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Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

The federal government is where scam begines and ends.
It is the A-Z of scam. It is the main Yahoo gang. The original gang of bandits. Infact, it is the highest organization or association of everything bad.
Federal government of Nigeria is "all shades of bad"

Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?

Expensive universities and hospital (despite the offerings raised for the schools o). Only Catholic Churches and Anglican (the likes) have been just fine imho. The rest (penterascals) are sickening honestly.

Charmingrascal:
I blame the Senate for passing such outlandish law.

This will only lead to religion tension, watch out.

Why will it lead to religious tension if I may ask?

A govt DAT cannot provide ordinary 10k during lockdown is asking for citizens details anyhow.....

Magu caused this problem.Pastors are helping politicians to launder money
But as things stand,there is nothing federal government can do about it

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

you are correct

spiralwedge:
You cant implement such a law without carrying them along in the formulation of such policy.

This is a deliberate attack to control churches especially as the man is an alhaji.

We keep creating problems for ourselves in this country, and foolishly so. From observation, Moslems are very jealous of the Churches, especially in their ability to raise funds. I'm saying this as a neutral.

In a country where there is socio-religious tension already, the ideal thing to do is to involve them on the issues and let them make suggestions. Then you enact a law. That way they are part and parcel of it.

What this country needs most is to accept its diversity and imbibe peaceful coexistence, especially from the top. Such act divides people and it isn't wise.

Only a con-man and a cheat will object to accountability.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Yemi Osibanjo should speak out against this.

he fit?

Pastor Yemi over to you sir

Islamization & attacks on Christianity
on course, from NE, NW, NC, MBelt,
Aso Rock....

How MFM Pastor, Olukoya, Connived With Officials Who Stole Church's Funds In UK
It accused Olukoya of illegally meeting a former employee of the charity alleged to have stolen between £150,000 and £190,000 of the Charity’s funds in Nigeria, then entered into an agreement with the individual without any consultation with other trustees.

The United Kingdom Charity Commission has revealed why an interim manager was appointed for the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries International in August 2019.

The commission had in March 2018 opened a statutory inquiry into a number of concerns at the church, which included the repeated late filing of financial information and a failure in the administration resulting in opportunities for significant losses to the charity.

The commission in a statement seen by SaharaReporters said the interim manager assumes these duties at the exclusion of the charity’s trustees, stating that the trustees retain control over matters relating to religious activities.


The UK charity regulator claimed it had serious concerns over MFM Chair of Trustees, Dr Daniel Olukoya, and his personal handling of serious incidents.

CONTINUE READING BELOW


http://saharareporters.com/2020/08/21/how-mfm-pastor-olukoya-connived-officials-who-stole-churchs-funds-united-kingdom-%E2%80%93charity

If they don't or FG suspects smelly fowl play........ Shut them down..........

All you foul amotekun's....... MYB..........

Goke7:


Most nigerian churches do not want to be accountable even to their members parting away with their hard earned resources. Everything is covered using the name of God.

The govt just want these churches to be more accountable

The govt just want these churches to be more accountable



Abeg no wound me with laff oo @bolded

I dont have an issue with the law...

My issues are with the parties involved, abeg is it the federal government that cannot account for its own revenues & expenditures that will now be forming notice me in trying to see financial statements of religious bodies?

What me I am seeing is that the government only wanted to be able to ascertain how much taxes are due from this religious bodies.

Shebi dem dey pay taxes too?

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

You're lost forever! Scammers are your state governor, local govt, and federal government who made you hungry, jobless and hopeless in life.

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

But the scammers are not forcing anybody to pay tithes or offerings. If you think your pastor is scamming you, them you simply stop paying tithes and offerings to them.

I cannot imagine this senseless law was made by a Christian regime emphasising on wanting to pork nose into the finances of the mosques and churches. Bombs would have been flying around from our Islamic extremist brothers.

AnanseK:


Only a con-man and a cheat will object to accountability.

You are wrong. You can't be accountable to someone who is jealous of you.

Read my earlier comment again and slowly, especially on coexistence in a pluralistic society. When you do, you will see that my comment isnt objecting accountability.

GamalNasser:
No matter how good this policy is Christian will never trust it's implementation under under a sectarianist like Buhari...Under a leader thats fair this won't be a problem but under Buhari it's a no no

For your kind.

You didnt vote him so you are inconsequential.

MISSCONGENIALITY:
The federal government is where scam begines and ends.
It is the A-Z of scam. It is the main Yahoo gang. The original gang of bandits. Infact, it is the highest organization or association of everything bad.
Federal government of Nigeria is "all shades of bad"

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Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?

Hope in heaven!

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Is Nigeria a sane society like the one's you mentioned, you sef reason am

In as much as the act might not seem to be perceived right by my fellow Christians, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. It is operating in most developed nations we are looking up to and we applaud that. More so, some of the church G.Os are abusing some processes of accountability and transparency under the guise of being the mouth piece of God.

Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

. Government that cannot even manage it's own affairs want to pry into church affairs.

And you are supporting nonsense

ebukajay184:


https://igberetvnews.com/1362094/cama-fg-says-religious-bodies-must-submit-details-finances/

Government want to start taxing Church be that......

Let us see how it will end....

athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help

Dont mind them!

Kaduna Refinery was never audited since inception, it gets 60,000 Barrels of Crude Oil everyday, the Oil disappears and yet the Organisation syill colelcts #64Billion from Govt coffers yearly!

Anyway, l dont have a problem with auditing ANY organisation, as long as the Law is applied EQUALLY to Christian and Islamic Organisations.
We also awant to know all the funds that Quatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc gives to those Islamic Houses in the North and how/where the Money is spent, not just Churches alone.

Stan2330:
That is how the government came with hate speech bill that it prevent the political tension in the country.. suddenly mailafa was charge for hate speech because he spoke out against the government

The intentions behind this bill is devilish and nobody should fall for their sweet mouth

But these Churches obey similar or stricter laws oversees. Why are they always against the Nigerian Government yet obey the European, British or American laws? Let us be objective.

When they will be given out free money anyhow, that's the reason FG want to put eye on their finances.

Golan007:


For your kind.

You didnt vote him so you are inconsequential.

Did you even vote ?

porka:


Please name the agency responsible for regulating CHURCHES in the US and how the 'regulations' are done.

Thank you.

I think your question is disingenuous

No one is "regulating" churches in their spiritual activity

This has to do purely with MONEY and FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY

Charities which is what Churches are ,are subject to all kinds of rules in the USA and these are regulated by various legislation and bodies

e.g the USA has sanctions in place against certain countries like Iran, Cuba etc that means that churches and other Charites in general canot make donations that are prohibited by sanctions

With regard to their Financial activities they are under the purview of the Inland Revenue IRS
https://theconversation.com/trump-says-the-irs-regulates-churches-too-much-heres-why-hes-wrong-77605
In the UK it is the Charities Commission which incidentally has been scrutinizing the activities of several Nigerian churches in the UK

e.g KICC
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/577308/kingsway_international_christian_centre.pdf
Regulatory action taken
The inquiry issued an order on 16 February 2011 under the then section 18 (1) (vi) of the Charities Act 1993
(now section 76 (3) (f) of the Charities Act 2011) to prevent the trustees from entering into any investment
of the charity’s property without the written approval of the commission. The order was discharged on 29
July 2011 after the ex-trustee resigned, and the FSA had obtained a restraining injunction and freezing order
on 11 February 2011 in civil proceedings in which the FSA also sought a restitution order.


Christ Embassy
The Inquiry appointed an interim manager, Rod Weston of Mazars LLP, (the IM) on 6 August 2014 under section 76(3)(g) of the Act to take over the management and administration of the charity to the exclusion of trustees. The trustees were not excluded from performing the religious and/or spiritual functions connected with their roles as Pastors within the charity.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy/charity-inquiry-christ-embassy



REDEEMED
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-inquiry-redeemed-christian-church-of-god-rccg-new-life-assembly-house-of-prayer-for-all-nations
https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-church-charity-bank-account-1524430
https://www.accountancydaily.co/pastor-religious-charity-must-pay-back-ps50k
ETC

https://insidecroydon.com/2018/05/01/charity-commission-launches-financial-probe-into-tabernacle/


It is clear that the financial activities of many churches lack transparency and often are criminal.

Churches are registered as charities making them exempt from many taxes and so their financial affairs cannot be hidden from the public

Last last this country will scatter!!!