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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by seunmsg(m): 10:23pm On Aug 22, 2020
omenka:
Read comments on the first, second and third pages and couldn't find anyone who truly understands the ramifications of the new Law, neither do they its importance.

I was disappointed seeing how little Nigerians understand what is going on with these bodies until I saw your comment.

I can't speak for Mosques, but I know for a fact politicians launder millions through churches and NGOs. Some politicians come together to even raise a "pastor", build a church for him, and then "grow" the financial base of the church (laundering their monies) while paying the GOs certain percentages.

The story is the same with NGOs but a bit less opaque than what obtains in churches. Even Muslim politicians launder monies in churches!

Nigerians are really ignorant of the things happening out there and it pains me so much.


To be honest with you the level of ignorance some Nigerians are displaying regarding some very basic issues is really embarrassing and scary.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by CodeTemplar: 10:23pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?
Cheap and useless education you mean?
Police that gags and kill taxpayers (employers) right?
Hospitals that they take out tax for from salaries before the christian section get to pay their tithe right?

The church provides the best schools around. They provide the a hospitable environment.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by CodeTemplar: 10:26pm On Aug 22, 2020
RuudVanNisteroy:

Yemi Osibanjo should speak out against this.
He should come out to take a stand.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by aribisala0(m): 10:28pm On Aug 22, 2020
omenka:
Read comments on the first, second and third pages and couldn't find anyone who truly understands the ramifications of the new Law, neither do they its importance.

I was disappointed seeing how little Nigerians understand what is going on with these bodies until I saw your comment.

I can't speak for Mosques, but I know for a fact politicians launder millions through churches and NGOs. Some politicians come together to even raise a "pastor", build a church for him, and then "grow" the financial base of the church (laundering their monies) while paying the GOs certain percentages.

The story is the same with NGOs but a bit less opaque than what obtains in churches. Even Muslim politicians launder monies in churches!

Nigerians are really ignorant of the things happening out there and it pains me so much.

Your reasoning is interesting. So everyone who comments here is here to demonstrate understanding of what you think is important and pass your test of non-ignorance?
No everyone focuses on what they consider important .

Eschew that know it all attitude. You are not as smart as you think you are and people are not as dumb as you think they are

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by CodeTemplar: 10:30pm On Aug 22, 2020
TimeTraveler369:
I am sure Church goers and tithers will like to know how their offerings are being expended.

Am I right or am I right ? grin
The term church goers is vague and unreliable for holding a church accountable.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by CodeTemplar: 10:31pm On Aug 22, 2020
Globad:


But the same church is regulated in many other countries. No be so?
How is that?
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by na2016: 10:36pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

God bless you! Most christians will not see it this way.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by CodeTemplar: 10:36pm On Aug 22, 2020
dingbang:
And yes. Churches must declare their end of year financial statement especially profit before tax cheesy
Another ásshole.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Joedave25: 10:37pm On Aug 22, 2020
pelumi67:



Church can do more than what FG have done
As a nairalander, tell me one thing you have benefitted from FG? Were you given palliative during the lockdown? Come see so many churches giving out foods to thousands of their members, ask FG what they don't allow RCCG to construct the flyover @redemption camp?

It's because of corruption. The FG want RCCG to give them the money instead of executing the project just like Winners Chapel Ota battled with Ogun state government to allow the church rehabilitate Idiroko Road where the church is situated.

Nigerian Politicians are the highest scammers in the world. They have emptied the Treasury of the Country, borrowed massively from China etal up to the point where your 4th Generation will hardly repay the Loans. Now they have turned their focus on Religious bodies and NGOs to continue their relooting.

Wake up Nairalandals and say no to this move. Needless to argue uneccesarily about this move by FG.FG is targeting at imposing Taxation on them to relooting.Religious bodies and NGOs are still better than FG and Polithievians accross the States, MDAs and FG in terms of welfare.They are the last resort to the common man than your FG.

I stand with Religious bodies (CAN) and NGOs on this matter.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Pedrocross4568(m): 10:37pm On Aug 22, 2020
Tareq1105:


Yes, gathering of the public that go there voluntarily.

You guys are dreaming.

The church of God will stand and no gate of hell and conspiracy shall prevail against it. Mark it, it's the Bible that said so.

Buhari want to silence Christians and the church of God. We shall see.

It's so sad how you people are always quick to call the name of God, when you people don't even know anything about God and who God really is. If you holy holy people really know God like you guys are claiming to know him, there won't be so much hatred for Buhari in your hearts. All I can say is that is only God that can save you all.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by AnanseK(m): 10:37pm On Aug 22, 2020
spiralwedge:


You are wrong. You can't be accountable to someone who is jealous of you.

Read my earlier comment again and slowly, especially on coexistence in a pluralistic society. When you do, you will see that my comment isnt objecting accountability.

Accountability is to Nigerian Government to Nigerian people as a law proposed by the government and passed by the elected Senate and Reps legislators representing all parts of Nigeria and belonging to all states all tribes and all religions. Please don’t be a bigot and don’t let your sentiments take you away from the truth.

If you have nothing to hide you will not object to accountability.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by endi4real: 10:38pm On Aug 22, 2020
TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Please keep that filthy opening you call a mouth shut!!.... Speak as though wise but actually a fool.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Pedrocross4568(m): 10:40pm On Aug 22, 2020
CodeTemplar:
He should come out to take a stand.

He doesn't need to take any stand cause he is not myopic in thinking like you people. You people are just blindly by your hatred for buhari
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Afritop(m): 10:42pm On Aug 22, 2020
How is a law stipulating that Churches should give account of their finance is seen as ungodly and satanic undecided

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by itoba4real(m): 10:47pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

na compare your tithe + offering + seeds to your tax ....which is more

government gives u police , cheap University , fairly functioning hospital that can save your life in emergency , ...what do your church provide again ?
the church under the missionaries built more schools and hospitals more than the federal govt.even those from other faith benefited from it.the govt thas has kept the masses under severe hardship u are talking about the useless govt.can u even ask urself what has the other faith contributed to nation building except povertƴ and terrorism alongside some top govt officials
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by stanisbaratheon: 10:47pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers

The same Federal government that is scamming Nigerians on a daily basis??


Abeg talk another thing.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Ratedgang: 10:47pm On Aug 22, 2020
TonyeBarcanista:

Sir, so we shouldn't make efforts to put in place system that works because the government is incompetent?
. Tonye we need the Ghana approach. U know what I mean.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by bigpicture001: 10:48pm On Aug 22, 2020
seunmsg:


It is beyond taxation. Issues such as accountability, national security, money laundering, adherence to corporate governance and best practices etc are involved.

It is important to note that not all income of religious organizations are exempted from taxes. Income generated from commercial activities are subject to tax and salaries paid to the clergy are also subject to PAYE. Sadly, most religious organizations always hide some of these informations from government because their books are never subjected to government scrutiny.

Money laundering is another major issue. People steal government funds and lauder same through the accounts of NGOs. Last year, the US government indicted a big player in the aviation industry for using his private NGOs to launder millions of dollars into the US. Dude was even using NGO funds to buy very expensive aircrafts.

National security is another area. How do you think Boko Haram keep getting funding and even moving funds around their various cells without detection? They use sympathetic religious organizations. How will government fight terrorism without monitoring these organizations?

See, let’s remove sentiments and look at this with an open mind. Buhari won’t be the president forever but the law would be there after him. This is about our country and not the president.

Y is there different law from north and south....

Y are northerners given stipends and southerners not given..I mean palliatives...

Y are northerners employed too much into agencies of govt. Southerners are not..

Y are biafians outlawed as terrorist while the Kaduna state Shiite groups are not..

Y is death in southern Kaduna not disturbing government but dt in Bornu disturbing them....

My guy... Stop fooling self with education..a president dt is transparent would live by it....that which is selective will b seen by all...you do other stuffs dt shows partiality, but harp on churches control and u want them to call both transparent..?

Nonsense! Y haven't they suggested these when terrorism was soo much at the north...

It only came cuz pastors are kicking against lockdown of churches when Muslims still worship...

I know all this u just stated...and still tell u ,the motive is not wot u tink...

Believe anything you like. Na ur life!

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by jidoex66(m): 10:53pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

which they can group your type one side let govement remove hand for 1 week from una matter
grin
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by itoba4real(m): 11:01pm On Aug 22, 2020
And lord upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it.hell qufia is busy masterminding the execution of christains in southern kd.and the federal govt here with a law that is peversly made to cause commotion and disunity in christaindom.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by IMASTEX: 11:03pm On Aug 22, 2020
Igbochief001:

it's the job of the federal government to protect it's citizens from scammers
Seconded & the federal government doesn't also want to have rival at bolded.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by IMASTEX: 11:12pm On Aug 22, 2020
TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...
Too much sense, haven't seen too much of it in one mentioned in a while now. I wasn't surprised either when I checked the name! Well, as sensible & biblical your point is, those church goers won't accept not because they love God, but because their pastors make them believe otherwise, and the pastor is simply doing so because he himself needs people to fund his greed. Flexherbal you need to see this.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by MikkieEl: 11:14pm On Aug 22, 2020
Goke7:


Most nigerian churches do not want to be accountable even to their members parting away with their hard earned resources. Everything is covered using the name of God.

The govt just want these churches to be more accountable

Is the government accountable? Wait a minute, is there an atom of integrity in this current dispensation? A government that appoints Fulani Muslims to head virtually all important parastatals is not trustworthy. God will always win! The church will surely prevail in this. It cannot just stand.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by alexisbaby: 11:17pm On Aug 22, 2020
I have gone through some of the comments and am shaking my head, when this government starts threatening the GOs of these churches by changing the board members, they will be forced to shut up as in criticizing the government, the GOs will be forced to compromise.

A government that has only favoured a section of this failed state has finally come for the body of Christ.

Christians this is the time to stop watching BB naija and realize that some thing is up.

Stop sleeping, first they came for your lands with Ruga, they have just reintroduced the bill again to take over your water ways, that is giving up your lands in the south for Ruga.

Christians wake up from your slumber and start speaking up but most of all switch of the TVs and start praying seriously.

Nigeria is on the precipice.

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by IMASTEX: 11:29pm On Aug 22, 2020
Afolabimills:
This evil govt have just dug it's own grave

Igbochief001:

sure client ...wish my business can have customers like u

grin grin grin loyal clients. Hope he doesn't go on hunger strike praying for those guy's business that they present to them as church. He won't know they are just religious organisation clearly different from what Christ called church after his personality. I got into a business deal with a certain man of god a popular one at that in my State, there was need for all the directors to witness the deal, that was when oga said he can act fully for them, but we insisted then he said, It is just him & his wife, kids, lol. The church is still in existence with members while the members act & speak confidently like the guy above that it is their church, pastor & family are maximizing on the ignorance. grin grin grin
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by omenka(m): 11:29pm On Aug 22, 2020
aribisala0:


Your reasoning is interesting. So everyone who comments here is here to demonstrate understanding of what you think is important and pass your test of non-ignorance?
No everyone focuses on what they consider important .

Eschew that know it all attitude. You are not as smart as you think you are and people are not as dumb as you think they are
Your business.

I don't know you, don't care, dont wish to.

Bye.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by nnamdi640: 11:31pm On Aug 22, 2020
This government is so despirate to steal from their citizen
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by IMASTEX: 11:37pm On Aug 22, 2020
chriskosherbal:
The church will always WIN.
The church as Christ described it, is where two or more people are gathered in his name. In that case, they can't be regulated by anybody non fight against, just as it were with the disciples of Christ. But where you see religious organisations that where first registered to operate in the first place as an association. There will always be room for regulation.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Goke7: 11:47pm On Aug 22, 2020
MikkieEl:


Is the government accountable? Wait a minute, is there an atom of integrity in this current dispensation? A government that appoints Fulani Muslims to head virtually all important parastatals is not trustworthy. God will always win! The church will surely prevail in this. It cannot just stand.

The govt is a thief agreed, but if armed robbers visit you, won't you accuse the same thieving govt of not protecting you? So does it mean that since the govt is a thief, they should not do due diligence in protecting nigerians from robbers?

So my dear, if the govt itself is struggling with accountability and integrity does not mean our pastors and churches should not be accountable and anyone who says all our churches have integrity already and are accountable is lying.

Let the muslims account for themselves too and the church do likewise and show good example. Is that too much to ask?
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by aribisala0(m): 11:52pm On Aug 22, 2020
omenka:
Your business.

I don't know you, don't care, dont wish to.

Bye.
If that makes you feel like Rambo fine

Did I introduce myself to you or ask who you are?

This is an ideas market

All I am saying is you are talking nonsense

just giving you a reality check

You are not as smart as you think you are

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Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by Dee60: 11:52pm On Aug 22, 2020
There are sinister motives behind this move. Nigerians should stop hailing one-sided regulations.
Re: CAMA: FG Says Religious Bodies Must Submit Details Of Their Finances by IMASTEX: 11:53pm On Aug 22, 2020
IamWonderful:
The rubbish bill cannot be passed, Buhari is writing his doom
This is because you don't know similar laws are in place in the Western world where all this churches have branches and are complying 100%. No one will or can fight the church because the church is you as a believer. You're simplying mixing church & religious organisation that Christ himself fought together.

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