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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by NaMe4: 12:32pm On Aug 26, 2020
PerfectlyPerfect:

Government doesn't subsidize the training of doctors. I don't know where you got that from. Their tuition fees are one of the highest in the Nigerian educational system. The reason why Nigerian doctors are favored abroad is because they still have to write and pass stringent exams despite our terrible academic system and so when they come abroad they tend to do great. There was once a news here on nairaland about a doctor who used slippers to make a neck brace. Only a Nigerian doctor can improvise with such ingenuity.

I wonder if such people are ignorant of the fact that the tuition fees in the Colleges of Medicine are usually higher when compared to those of other faculties or they're just being sentimental.

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:35pm On Aug 26, 2020
I thought I WAS THE one explaining.

hahahahahha


DrFunmisticGlow:
My God you are ignorant.

To hell with this. I'm done explaining.




Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:38pm On Aug 26, 2020
why are you BEING IGNORANT. it is HIGHER than other faculties, but even the other faculties are subsidised. Education in 3rd world is subsidised.

specialised STUDIES like medicine is extremely subsidised COMPARED to other countries, and then after studies, those GREEDY doctors run away and use their TRAININING in other countries, leaving NIGERIANS hanging and dying.

Have you seen any Nigerian doctor in the Hospital? especially those young ones, in Federal hospitals, they think they OWN THE world. They think they are KING and must be treating like such. They are arrogant and greedy!


NaMe4:


I wonder if such people are ignorant of the fact that the tuition fees in the Colleges of Medicine are usually higher when compared to those of other faculties or they're just being sentimental.

Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:45pm On Aug 26, 2020
actually @HBB1 exaggerate too MUCH.
I remember LAST YEAR, a GHANAIAN doctor working for ONE nice establishment asking me for dash. He said they DON'T PAY them ENOUGH.


martineverest:
liar..average Ghanaian doctors doesn't earn twice more than nigerian doctors
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 12:46pm On Aug 26, 2020
drmuchin:


bros i dey this table, can totally relate. naija don cast wallahi
very painfull i dont get this what is the issue .....we have low man power in health sector yet dr cant get residency ....but we have billions to maintaince uselss presidential jets and national assemble.....pls if u get u way migrate....

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by obonujoker(m): 12:46pm On Aug 26, 2020
Uncleodi:


You are pained because you are not a Doctor.
Go and buy jamb form and study Medicine and tell me how you will survive with 140k per month.

You want to remain a tenant for life abi? You won't buy car or by land to build your personal house.

A nice camry will cost like 3million naira and you have to save for 3 years to buy it when Doctors abroad that have the same brain like you can afford that within 3 months.

No Doctor is greedy, it is the society that puts alot of pressure on us.. #Rethink

Bro leave these clowns... many of them don't know how it is until they get married and start a family, by then their heads will open... I'm an engineer who is currently looking for a way out even Canada to be precise... I'm tired mhen...

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by HBB1(m): 12:47pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
not only that. their DOCTORS have high DEBT from studying medicine. It takes time to pay back. so they can not RUN AWAY.
EVEN if they run away, can you AFFORD THEM? their yearly school fees is around 20 million NAIRA. their working conditions I think are the same. high stress, zero sleep.



Which high debt?

8k per year schooll fees in the UK?

Is that extraordinary debt?

Go and work abroad first before saying all these oga!

'...locked down because of debt'

Orisiirisi!
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by HBB1(m): 12:48pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
actually @HBB1 exaggerate too MUCH.
I remember LAST YEAR, a GHANAIAN doctor working for ONE nice establishment asking me for dash. He said they DON'T PAY them ENOUGH.




Hehehe!

Anybody can ask for a dash!

What is the salary of a post house job Ghanian Doctor?

No dey talk wetin you no know oga!

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:49pm On Aug 26, 2020
tell us MORE!
WHICH part take most of your salary?

obonujoker:


Bro leave these clowns... many of them don't know how it is until they get married and start a family, by then their heads will open... I'm an engineer who is currently looking for a way out even Canada to be precise... I'm tired mhen...
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:53pm On Aug 26, 2020
@HBB1 like to exaggerate.
In the UK, their state medical schools are not expensive. In US, you finish with 300K dollars in DEBT. now if you are a foreign student even in UK, you will pay almost like US. Depending if you go to shithole UK school, fees may be different, but the post working conditions are they same. You have HIGH STRESS, zero sleep.
8k per year school fees in UK is for general studies. Non-medical.

you must be one of the Indomie generation. Talk first, think later!

HBB1:



Which high debt?

8k per year schooll fees in the UK?

Is that extraordinary debt?

Go and work abroad first before saying all these oga!

'...locked down because of debt'

Orisiirisi!
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by HBB1(m): 12:55pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
@HBB1 like to exaggerate.
In the UK, their state medical schools are not expensive. In US, you finish with 300K dollars in DEBT. now if you are a foreign student even in UK, you will pay almost like US. Depending if you go to shithole UK school, fees may be different, but the post working conditions are they same. You have HIGH STRESS, zero sleep.
8k per year school fees in UK is for general studies. Non-medical.

you must be one of the Indomie generation. Talk first, think later!


UK citizens in Med School pay that!

In the US, yes it's in the Hundreds...

Their salaries is in the Hundreds of thousands too.

In the end you smile to the bank!

What were you saying again?

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by NaMe4: 12:57pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
actually @HBB1 exaggerate too MUCH.
I remember LAST YEAR, a GHANAIAN doctor working for ONE nice establishment asking me for dash. He said they DON'T PAY them ENOUGH.




They are even better compensated than their Nigerian counterparts.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 12:58pm On Aug 26, 2020
I don't know GHANAIAN doctor salaries. But I met one, and he asked me for DASH. I MEAN IT. I gave him some cedis.

GHANAIANS always complain that things are expensive anyway!

But they charge foreign students big DOLLARS. LOOK AT university of Ghana medical school, average Ghanaian pays 2000 to 6000 cedis per year, and foreigners pay 13,000 dollars per year! A dollar is about 6 cedis.

HBB1:



Hehehe!

Anybody can ask for a dash!

What is the salary of a post house job Ghanian Doctor?

No dey talk wetin you no know oga!
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:01pm On Aug 26, 2020
That's subsidised fees even compared to what foreigners pay.
In Nigerian, our medical students are not in DEBT!
THEY still complain. They work for government, they complain. They open their PRIVATE PRACTICE, THEY COMPLAIN.
another Engineer they complain just now. Nothing they SATISFY this people.

But what's your point?


HBB1:


UK citizens in Med School pay that!

In the US, yes it's in the Hundreds...

Their salaries is in the Hundreds of thousands too.

In the end you smile to the bank!

What were you saying again?
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 1:02pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
actually @HBB1 exaggerate too MUCH.
I remember LAST YEAR, a GHANAIAN doctor working for ONE nice establishment asking me for dash. He said they DON'T PAY them ENOUGH.


yet they still chose to stay in Ghana......and payback their student loan....unlike Nigerians that got theirs on a platter of gold
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:02pm On Aug 26, 2020
What is their salaries compared to Nigerian doctors.

Please tell us.

NaMe4:



They are even better compensated than their Nigerian counterparts.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 1:02pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
That's subsidised fees even compared to what foreigners pay.
In Nigerian, our medical students are not in DEBT!
THEY still complain. They work for government, they complain. They open their PRIVATE PRACTICE, THEY COMPLAIN.
another Engineer they complain just now. Nothing they SATISFY this people.

But what's your point?


u said it all...Nigerians are ingrates
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by obonujoker(m): 1:02pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
it is because of GREED. DO YOU know why a MAN decides leave his WIFE and marry another instead of looking for solution to the problem?
It is EASY to marry another. but for DOCTORS, to say it is EASY TO LEAVE to another country, then their EDUCATION IS poor. they are NOT USING THEIR BRAINS and education to solve the PROBLEM IN THEIR OCCUPATION.

I will never EMPLOY THOSE DOCTORS. they are what we call THROWAWAYS! put them in the frontline of the WAR. if they die, who CARES!

tufiakwa!


What's your problem with Doctors... Why are you not this loquacious over your country cursed politicians that have plummeted the country to abyss of negativity??

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by PerfectlyPerfect(m): 1:06pm On Aug 26, 2020
martineverest:
haaa....my sister paid Les than 80k cumulatively for 6years of medical study in federal university.thatsvkess than 250 dollars compared to what Americans and Europeans pay
Which course did she study and what year?
Also note that tuition fees are usually low, but a lot of other charges increase the total annual cost

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:10pm On Aug 26, 2020
because these DOCTORS are leaving us when they are NEEDED the most!

During Corona. What if there is a resurgence tomorrow? This is the problem with the government. It should have BLOCKED the doctors from running away. Look Trump bought I think 80% of remdesvir medicine from the world market, because he wanted to TREAT sick AMERICANS. They can even have laws to prevent DOCTORS from going anywhere. They are banning TIKTOK, HUAWEI all for national reasons. We should ban these greedy DOCTORS from running away.
CORONA is an emergency. being a DOCTOR is a calling OATH not to place MONEY, GREEDY above your PROFESSION. but Nigerian doctors are the worst! They cannot TREAT SIMPLE illness and complain ABOUT money all the time. Go to any NIGERIAN DOCTORS, you have only 50% chance of surviving because they only think of MONEY and not the patient.

obonujoker:


What's your problem with Doctors... Why are you not this loquacious over your country cursed politicians that have plummeted the country to abyss of negativity??
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by obonujoker(m): 1:14pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
because these DOCTORS are leaving us when they are NEEDED the most!

During Corona. What if there is a resurgence tomorrow? This is the problem with the government. It should have BLOCKED the doctors from running away. Look Trump bought I think 80% of remdesvir medicine from the world market, because he wanted to TREAT sick AMERICANS. They can even have laws to prevent DOCTORS from going anywhere. They are banning TIKTOK, HUAWEI all for national reasons. We should ban these greedy DOCTORS from running away.
CORONA is an emergency. being a DOCTOR is a calling OATH not to place MONEY, GREEDY above your PROFESSION. but Nigerian doctors are the worst! They cannot TREAT SIMPLE illness and complain ABOUT money all the time. Go to any NIGERIAN DOCTORS, you have only 50% chance of surviving because they only think of MONEY and not the patient.


Bro... A doctor or a politician, who should be paid more according to profession??
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 1:15pm On Aug 26, 2020
PerfectlyPerfect:

Which course did she study and what year?
Also note that tuition fees are usually low, but a lot of other charges increase the total annual cost
it still doesn't matter compared to what Ghanaiana ,Americans etc pay to study medicine

other charges can't amount to 150k..average Ghanaians pay btw 700k to 2m to study medicine..americans and Canadians pay much higher and they still pay their government back
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by DonX001: 1:15pm On Aug 26, 2020
InvertedHammer:
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From Umuahia to PH has more than 100 mortuaries along the expressway and no hospital.

What do you think is their prayer point?

/

Is this for real? shocked shocked shocked
You must be joking.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 1:16pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
because these DOCTORS are leaving us when they are NEEDED the most!

During Corona. What if there is a resurgence tomorrow? This is the problem with the government. It should have BLOCKED the doctors from running away. Look Trump bought I think 80% of remdesvir medicine from the world market, because he wanted to TREAT sick AMERICANS. They can even have laws to prevent DOCTORS from going anywhere. They are banning TIKTOK, HUAWEI all for national reasons. We should ban these greedy DOCTORS from running away.
CORONA is an emergency. being a DOCTOR is a calling OATH not to place MONEY, GREEDY above your PROFESSION. but Nigerian doctors are the worst! They cannot TREAT SIMPLE illness and complain ABOUT money all the time. Go to any NIGERIAN DOCTORS, you have only 50% chance of surviving because they only think of MONEY and not the patient.

they even kill patients and still get away with it
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:19pm On Aug 26, 2020
Difficult to say. Depending on pay structure. In China, doctors get LOW PAY. Politicians approve pay structure for Doctors working in government hospitals smiley

Pay structure designed by a medical director or so. So blame medical director for not asking for more. But really, this is not about DOCTOR versus Politicians. This is just an EXCUSE.

obonujoker:


Bro... A doctor or a politician, who should be paid more according to profession??
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Catsofnaija: 1:23pm On Aug 26, 2020
FrLukas:
Can you see what's happening here?

The government of Nigeria subsidizes the training of doctors across the length and breadth of the nation.

Then when they graduate, they zoom off with their knowledge and go serve other countries.

The reason why the western world is short on doctors is because higher education is very very expensive.

The FG has refused to provide a conducive environment for everyone, so in a way, you can't blame the doctors for fleeing.

Eventually, the common man loses because if Nigeria is emptied of medical practitioners, then people like Buhari and Aisha will always go to the UK and Dubai for their medical needs.

The same doctors that ran away from Nigeria will treat them in a saner environment.

Nigeria, shame!

There's no common man in Nigeria.
We picked these leaders.
We don't challenge them.
We seem uninterested.
We won't sacrifice.
We manage.
We are cultural and selfish.
We don't dream of building a great nation.
We pray and fight for God or gods.
We are all guilty.
Lastly we all worship a God that'll burn our fellow humans for choosing another god and we are okay with that.
We don't deserve better
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by HBB1(m): 1:23pm On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
That's subsidised fees even compared to what foreigners pay.
In Nigerian, our medical students are not in DEBT!
THEY still complain. They work for government, they complain. They open their PRIVATE PRACTICE, THEY COMPLAIN.
another Engineer they complain just now. Nothing they SATISFY this people.

But what's your point?


So if someone gives you free food means you must slave for him Perenially?

Nigeria has no structure for its Doctors.

Mind you a Doctor's life is one of continuous training and retraining.
In Nigeria several doctors are caught in Limbo, no training, poor facilities, slavish pay, nothing!

So you expect a young vibrant doctor to continue to waste in such an environment (if he can help it?)

If you had a child, is that what you would advise?

If your son were a footballer, would you advise him to continue playing in the local league?

Fulfillment in life isn't just about money, just have a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs-- what to eat is lower down on the needs of a man.
Thr intangible things are higher up-- things like living out your potential.

You can never do better than your environment, thatsvrhe strongest factor in determining success!

Nigeria is a horrible environment, wasting dreams lives and destinies. If anybody decides to leaves, don't hold him back, he has his reasons.

If its giving back you are most concerned about, this emigrants will eventually back-- like the Asians are!

Just know that you can't give back what you don't have.
If you are religious, take a cue from the parable of the ten Virgins-- it won't be enough for you, it won't be enough for those you want to help!








Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:24pm On Aug 26, 2020
I remember meeting a relative at a General hospital with blood coming from the leg. The DOCTOR seats there, obviously with many PATIENTS, AND overworked, just said take the relative to ANOTHER general hospital, with blood still flowing from the LEG. The DOCTOR did not bother to even cover the WOUND. IF I had given him a few THOUSAND NAIRA, he would have covered the wound immediately. Another relative with KIDNEY PROBLEM, was just sent home to go and DIE AFTER THEY collect N30,000 Naira every week for DIALYSIS. This was LASUTH. when you see the DOCTORS, OUT of 5 of them, na only 1 know the work. and na That 1 doctor go runaway all for GREED!

NIGERIA doctors have to work with overseas DOCTORS either on excursion during their STUDIES to really value their profession.
these people are not DOCTORS...

martineverest:
they even kill patients and still get away with it
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 1:29pm On Aug 26, 2020
Catsofnaija:


There's no common man in Nigeria.
We picked these leaders.
We don't challenge them.
We seem uninterested.
We won't sacrifice.
We manage.
We are cultural and selfish.
We don't dream of building a great nation.
We pray and fight for God or gods.
We are all guilty.
Lastly we all worship a God that'll burn our fellow humans for choosing another god and we are okay with that.
We don't deserve better

I don't know where this is coming from...but the same God African Christians worship is the same God American Christians worship.

The same Allah African Muslims worship is the same Allah worshipped in the UAE and Qatar.

So, I don't know what religion has got to do with this.

People everywhere in the world are cultural and selfish...


And yes, there are commoners and the elites in Nigeria and in every country in the world, even the smallest country in the world.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Catsofnaija: 1:29pm On Aug 26, 2020
FrLukas:
Can you see what's happening here?

The government of Nigeria subsidizes the training of doctors across the length and breadth of the nation.

Then when they graduate, they zoom off with their knowledge and go serve other countries.

The reason why the western world is short on doctors is because higher education is very very expensive.

The FG has refused to provide a conducive environment for everyone, so in a way, you can't blame the doctors for fleeing.

Eventually, the common man loses because if Nigeria is emptied of medical practitioners, then people like Buhari and Aisha will always go to the UK and Dubai for their medical needs.

The same doctors that ran away from Nigeria will treat them in a saner environment.

Nigeria, shame!

You only subsidize a product or service with a unique international cost.
The medicine studied in Nigeria is different from abroad.
The hours, the resources, the technology, the hospitals, the facilities, the lecturer pay, the state income, the standard of living, the taxation, the privatisation etc are all much more expensive in foreign countries.
Nigerian doctors have to do more, prepare more and fund exams with their money to get few low tier jobs in few foreign countries.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 1:30pm On Aug 26, 2020
@HBB1, you are truly from the Indomie generation. You talk before you think. Medicine is not like any other profession. It is not like footballers than are there to entertain people and go for the highest bidder. Messi can sign 600million dollar contract. If this were the case, people will die senselessly. If we allow greed to drive Doctors aways, quality of care will go down. And Maslow pyramid doesn't apply here. It is a guide for what you need in life. Stop putting Greedy values ahead of medical care. Government should pass law to prevent these doctors from running away even in this Corona period. Castration is good for them honestly.:


[b]But what's your point?


So if someone gives you free food means you must slave for him Perenially?

Nigeria has no structure for its Doctors.

Mind you a Doctor's life is one of continuous training and retraining.
In Nigeria several doctors are caught in Limbo, no training, poor facilities, slavish pay, nothing!

So you expect a young vibrant doctor to continue to waste in such an environment (if he can help it?)

If you had a child, is that what you would advise?

If your son were a footballer, would you advise him to continue playing in the local league?

Fulfillment in life isn't just about money, just have a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs-- what to eat is lower down on the needs of a man.
Thr intangible things are higher up-- things like living out your potential.

You can never do better than your environment, thatsvrhe strongest factor in determining success!

Nigeria is a horrible environment, wasting dreams lives and destinies. If anybody decides to leaves, don't hold him back, he has his reasons.

If its giving back you are most concerned about, this emigrants will eventually back-- like the Asians are!

Just know that you can't give back what you don't have.
If you are religious, take a cue from the parable of the ten Virgins-- it won't be enough for you, it won't be enough for those you want to help!
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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Kenn55: 1:30pm On Aug 26, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
they are doing greate favour.....it cost around 25m naira in subsidies to train a Nigeria doctor in public university through our paid tax ...while his uk counter borrrows money over 200 k pounds to be train which must be paid back.......is not the uk they are runing to ....if we must use tax money to train u ....u must serve us or attend private university..

Nigeria does not subsidize anything at least not for the people. The fees in Nigeria are low due to the low purchasing power of Nigeria as a country. You cannot expect people who earn 200k per month to pay 1m per term for school fees for their kids. If you make the fees at par with what is obtained in the developed world, who will attend it? You will have to introduce student loans to make it work but Nigeria does not have the structure to do things like that. Even if you make the fees high, judging by what we know about Nigeria, the quality will be no where near what is obtainable abroad because of the acute corruption in the country.

The solution is to develop the country and make it work for all. If the country is developed to the standard of the west, the role of money in the everyday life of the people will diminish. People will not necessarily earn high but they would be more comfortable with their lives.

The country should get their priority right. Whether subsidized or not, there is no way a politician should earn more than a doctor. From the executive to the Legislators, what have they done to deserve being paid sef? The country is getting worse under their leadership yet the are making millions and billions but the people who are saving lives are struggling

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