Yankee101:
You go were you are appreciated

I believe it's high time we begin began to charge tuition on courses like Medicine or at the least have a minimum contribution you must make to your country before leaving

US doctors and lawyers have student loans of 200 to 500k USD after graduation

Catsofnaija:


You only subsidize a product or service with a unique international cost.
The medicine studied in Nigeria is different from abroad.
The hours, the resources, the technology, the hospitals, the facilities, the lecturer pay, the state income, the standard of living, the taxation, the privatisation etc are all much more expensive in foreign countries.
Nigerian doctors have to do more, prepare more and fund exams with their money to get few low tier jobs in few foreign countries.

Kenn55:


Nigeria does not subsidize anything at least not for the people. The fees in Nigeria are low due to the low purchasing power of Nigeria as a country. You cannot expect people who earn 200k per month to pay 1m per term for school fees for their kids. If you make the fees at par with what is obtained in the developed world, who will attend it? You will have to introduce student loans to make it work but Nigeria does not have the structure to do things like that. Even if you make the fees high, judging by what we know about Nigeria, the quality will be no where near what is obtainable abroad because of the acute corruption in the country.

The solution is to develop the country and make it work for all. If the country is developed to the standard of the west, the role of money in the everyday life of the people will diminish. People will not necessarily earn high but they would be more comfortable with their lives.

The country should get their priority right. Whether subsidized or not, there is no way a politician should earn more than a doctor. From the executive to the Legislators, what have they done to deserve being paid sef? The country is getting worse under their leadership yet the are making millions and billions but the people who are saving lives are struggling

FrLukas:


Do you think the child of average parents will be able to fund a tertiary education for their wards in Nigeria if it wasn't subsidized?

ahiboilandgas:
Please why are new doctors having hard time getting residency or federal teaching hospital jobs depsite mass migration and low man power

armadeo:


Because thier space will never be declared vacant and salaries will continue to be paid to them.

frog12:


specialised STUDIES like medicine is extremely subsidised COMPARED to other countries, and then after studies, those GREEDY doctors run away and use their TRAININING in other countries, leaving NIGERIANS hanging and dying.

frog12:
you said good things like student loan, put you con drive go the other way. If western countries, where students pay 50k dollars per year, the average parent salaries after TAX may be 60k dollars or 70k dollars or even less, every year. so LOANS must be there. Somebody just told us his sister paid only 80k naira per year for a medical studies for 6 years, which is even less than 500k naira total. So there's no subsidy? I remember one of my relative studying in Maiduguri in the 80s was even been paid to study. He was given bursary to be in school. he did not pay any school fees.

If you say, doctors should MAKE MORE THAN politicians, then I should make more than politicians too.

ahiboilandgas:
i think Nigerians attending Subsidies highly needed trainings like medicine should start signing bond of working locally to 10 years or pay off the cost immediately or attended private university.........

frog12:
what does this have to do with POLITICS?
POLITICS and science do not MIX.

even if you GIVE the greediest DOG the best meat, it will never be ENOUGH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND that?

Kenn55:


Nigeria does not subsidize anything at least not for the people. The fees in Nigeria are low due to the low purchasing power of Nigeria as a country. You cannot expect people who earn 200k per month to pay 1m per term for school fees for their kids. If you make the fees at par with what is obtained in the developed world, who will attend it? You will have to introduce student loans to make it work but Nigeria does not have the structure to do things like that. Even if you make the fees high, judging by what we know about Nigeria, the quality will be no where near what is obtainable abroad because of the acute corruption in the country.

The solution is to develop the country and make it work for all. If the country is developed to the standard of the west, the role of money in the everyday life of the people will diminish. People will not necessarily earn high but they would be more comfortable with their lives.

The country should get their priority right. Whether subsidized or not, there is no way a politician should earn more than a doctor. From the executive to the Legislators, what have they done to deserve being paid sef? The country is getting worse under their leadership yet the are making millions and billions but the people who are saving lives are struggling

ahiboilandgas:
who are those people paying 6m for b.i.s ,bowen ,daywaterman college,just for secondary school and who are those paying 5m in abti ,baze,Turkish,covenant,bell afebablola university ...this same group will pay 5m for mbbs if public university are privatized and charge tution......there over 50000 Nigerian families that pay 5m yearly for mbbs if kids show interest......politicians are not spirit or ghost ....doctors can become politician if they luv the perks and salary ...and if they can spend millions for mobilize elections.......if u pay 30m for election form and spend 200m to become rep .....how will u recoup such money ...can doctors spend such sum or risk 5000 naira .......the politician in Nigeria spends over 60 percent of his income on the public ....how about doctors ? How do they help financially? .....a local govt chairman pay hospital bills ,weddibg ceremony,school fee,and all bills ,how about doctors ur salary is only for u and family .....

TheManofTomorrow:


You don't reason objectively, Sir.

If you do, you will know all the actions and inactions those in politics or the government of a nation, especially the one like ours has a significant effect in all sectors of the economy.

Always on the watch to suppose these evil people at any given opportunity.

You that you are no greedy. Do you wish to collect 200k with breakneck working conditions for life?

How much is even 200k in a place like Lagos where the standard of living is very high. Imagine enrolling your children in a school of 50k in Lagos. Of course, you wouldn't know because you don't reside in Lagos.

If only you read or go through Medical school for a semester. You will come back and edit all that you typed here.

For your information, I am a medical student, and I am speaking with first-hand information

Have you ever wondered why Nigerians perform well in the UK despite their inadequate training in Nigeria? Well, it's not your government's doing, it's their sole efforts.
The amount of reading they do in a semester, missing sleep, denying pleasures, buying foreign textbooks. I dare say you won't do all that for a slavery-like life of 200k a month while the greedy politician line their pockets with money day in day out.

The quality of education they get in Nigeria is what they pay for.
You don't just stay in the comfort of your assume things.

Wizedoc:
Why so much fuss about medical doctors leaving this shithole country? Other professionals are leaving in droves everyday and nobody is bad mouthing them. As far as am concerned, what you pay for in medical school is exactly what you get, no quality in medical education system in Nigeria except you intentionally build yourself to international standard. Nothing like subsidy, subsidy itself is a scam, just like in other areas e.g petroleum. Nurses are leaving, no one is complaining, pharmacist are leaving no one is complaining, engineers are leaving, no one is complaining, even a house help would leave if they have the opportunity, not to talk of a revered profession like medicine. Biko, any one that wants to leave should leave, there's freedom of movement. Politicians should stop going abroad for treatment if they believe they have subsidized medical training and Nigerian doctors practicing in Nigeria are quality doctors that can take care of them. Until then, present the opportunity and every Nigerian trained doctor would leave, except the dumb ones.

Uncleodi:


Have you ever thought of how the lives of the parents and relatives of such doctors will drastically change for the better just within 6 months of their son practicing abroad?

The quality of life can never be compared to working in Nigeria while taking your father for 40k dialysis per week! You will get frustrated spending 120k on dialysis alone without medication. Meanwhile your wife and kids and in-laws are depending on your 200k salary for one thing or the other.

Bros, incase you don't know, people have problems that 500k can solve but no hope to get the money.

Two years ago, this elderly man's roof was blown off by wind and storm and his house was flooded. He developed pneumonia and hypertension because of the event and perhaps, there were other underlying illness but there was no money to even re-roof his house. This was after training his son ooh who is now a doctor but was receiving 130k as monthly salary.

This poor doctor borrowed alot of money to write IELTS and PLAB amidst the family and work pressure. His phone which was his only online source of study was even stolen on his way back from work after a night shift.

Today, this doctor earns in the only currency with a surname (Pound Sterling).
He flew his father to India for Kidney transplant and he has built a brand new well furnished house for his father. This is among other beautiful benefits his relatives and in-laws have gained. They are Nigerians too and deserve a better quality of life.

If this doctor had remained in Nigeria, do you think that his father would have been alive? Your guess is as good as mine!

#Rethink

I don't know how to drive it into your thick skull that no doctor is GREEDY except maybe your sister.

You get the point now!

ahiboilandgas:
how about the salary of teachers that train the doctos and sojas on frontline a new phd holder taking ur biochemistry is paid 130k while a soja is paid 70 k ...

Wizedoc:
People like you are the problem of this country. So allow doctors migrate. If you are pained, go and study medicine and remain in Nigeria to treat Nigerians period!

Uncleodi:


They should leave the country if they want..You were born alone!..so you carry your cross to either leave and better your life or stay and suffering and smiling.

frog12:
@HBB1, you are truly from the Indomie generation. You talk before you think. Medicine is not like any other profession. It is not like footballers than are there to entertain people and go for the highest bidder. Messi can sign 600million dollar contract. If this were the case, people will die senselessly. If we allow greed to drive Doctors aways, quality of care will go down. And Maslow pyramid doesn't apply here. It is a guide for what you need in life. Stop putting Greedy values ahead of medical care. Government should pass law to prevent these doctors from running away even in this Corona period. Castration is good for them honestly.:


[b]But what's your point?


So if someone gives you free food means you must slave for him Perenially?

Nigeria has no structure for its Doctors.

Mind you a Doctor's life is one of continuous training and retraining.
In Nigeria several doctors are caught in Limbo, no training, poor facilities, slavish pay, nothing!

So you expect a young vibrant doctor to continue to waste in such an environment (if he can help it?)

If you had a child, is that what you would advise?

If your son were a footballer, would you advise him to continue playing in the local league?

Fulfillment in life isn't just about money, just have a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs-- what to eat is lower down on the needs of a man.
Thr intangible things are higher up-- things like living out your potential.

You can never do better than your environment, thatsvrhe strongest factor in determining success!

Nigeria is a horrible environment, wasting dreams lives and destinies. If anybody decides to leaves, don't hold him back, he has his reasons.

If its giving back you are most concerned about, this emigrants will eventually back-- like the Asians are!

Just know that you can't give back what you don't have.
If you are religious, take a cue from the parable of the ten Virgins-- it won't be enough for you, it won't be enough for those you want to help!
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TheManofTomorrow:


You don't reason objectively, Sir.

If you do, you will know all the actions and inactions those in politics or the government of a nation, especially the one like ours has a significant effect in all sectors of the economy.

Always on the watch to support these evil people at any given opportunity.

You that you are no greedy. Do you wish to collect 200k with breakneck working conditions for life?

How much is even 200k in a place like Lagos where the standard of living is very high. Imagine enrolling your children in a school of 50k in Lagos. Of course, you wouldn't know because you don't reside in Lagos.

If only you read or go through Medical school for a semester. You will come back and edit all that you typed here.

For your information, I am a medical student, and I am speaking with first-hand information

Have you ever wondered why Nigerians perform well in the UK despite their inadequate training in Nigeria? Well, it's not your government's doing, it's their sole efforts.
The amount of reading they do in a semester, missing sleep, denying pleasures, buying foreign textbooks. I dare say you won't do all that for a slavery-like life of 200k a month while the greedy politician line their pockets with money day in day out.

The quality of education they get in Nigeria is what they pay for.
You don't just stay in the comfort of your house and assume things.

Uncleodi:


They should leave the country if they want..You were born alone!..so you carry your cross to either leave and better your life or stay and suffering and smiling.

ahiboilandgas:
how about the salary of teachers that train the doctos and sojas on frontline a new phd holder taking ur biochemistry is paid 130k while a soja is paid 70 k ...

TheManofTomorrow:


If they have the means and they want a better life for themselves by all means go for it.

This country dead already and you know that.
Of course protesting wouldn't change a thing. We all know the quality of living in Nigeria is low many thanks to our greedy political structure.

Anybody that wants to go and will be accepted in a better country should go.

TO HELL WITH NIGERIA��

HBB1:


Greed is what is driving the Doctors?

You think it's only Nigerians that are working in the UK or the US?

You want them to be treating Malaria and Typhoid all their lives?!


Crap!

TheManofTomorrow:


If they have the means and they want a better life for themselves by all means go for it.

This country dead already and you know that.
Of course protesting wouldn't change a thing. We all know the quality of living in Nigeria is low many thanks to our greedy political structure.

Anybody that wants to go and will be accepted in a better country should go.

TO HELL WITH NIGERIA��

ahiboilandgas:
no way i rather be in oil and gas ......if u must study mbbs and run away u must pay the market price from your father salary not my tax contributions.......i cannot be funding your sorry ass via tax then u pick u big head and be working for uk citizen's ....how much did they contribute to your mbbs program in Nigeria .....asu is on strike to revamp universities where would this money come from ...uk citizens or Nigeria tax payers .u are our investements (via tax) and subject to scrutiny....

frog12:
Kai. you are still a sleeping MEDICAL STUDENT. STILL on subsidized tuition fees sponsored by the government, so your reasoning is not strong enough. The inaction of those in politics is because you did not push them enough! That's why doctors go on STRIKE. OF course, government may not respond because they know they are subsidizing your education. hahaha.
Medicine is a stressful occupation anywhere in the WORLD. And who tell you i don't reside in Lagos. as a matter of fact, i am writing from my village. If our medical professionals perform well in the UK, then why are they running away?
why can't they work on CORONA CURES or vaccines, instead of copying what others say?

Give us a breakdown of your doctor friend Salary, and expenditures. You can rent a 3 bedroom flat in Lagos for 200k naira per year. That is your monthly salary. Please give us a breakdown and we can help you solve your MONEY problem.

TheManofTomorrow:


Take the money issue and keep that out of the discussion for now. Maybe you will understand things better.

What about the working condition, hospital equipment- Should they provide that for themselves. Have you been to OSUTH, LUTH, and much other government hospitals in Nigeria?

Even the best of the world's doctors wouldn't be able to perform any outstanding success with those.
So you still want them to go searching for Corona cure despite all that. Countries that are working towards Corona cure and doing top-notch research in medicine, do you know how much their government invests in those research?

Of course, you will say they should go and open their private hospital, do you know the amount of money involved in opening a quality standard private hospital in Nigeria. No doctor working on a 200k salary will ever be able to afford that.

You just have to think above your hate for the medical profession.
Or better still, let any of your children study medicine and when they graduate. Refer them to go and work in any of that 200k job for life.

Cheers

Wizedoc:
Bros please nobody asked the government to subsidize education. Do you know how much doctors in oil and gas are earning? Why did you not ask them to go and work for Nigerian government since they were trained with subsidy? As long as you are a Nigerian you have the access to same subsidy benefit. Allow people that want to use theirs as they please to do so. Stop complaining. NYSC is enough and its all they deserve. Why did you not stop them from using your tax money for going on medical trips abroad? If the country wants to get more out of doctors or want then to stay and practice in Nigeria, they know what to do. Until then, let the migration continue biko.