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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:01pm On Aug 27, 2020
NAF now has 2 female captain pilots qualified to fly the Beechcraft 350i, 3 of these aircrafts were delivered in 2014 and play a vital role in combating terrorism with their ISR payload.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 4:26pm On Aug 27, 2020
kikuyu1:


I don't think so. The last ones were made in '86! I doubt you'd want to risk stressing the fuselage with its full payload of a modest 1.1 T,4X less than the TAV. Also the Bronco frankly is underpowered with its uprated engines maxing out at 1020 shp still way below the TAV at 1070 shp..


https://www.avgeekery.com/the-incredible-ov-10-bronco-kicking-enemy-tail-for-50-years/


http://www.airvectors.net/avbronco.html


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a19887/ov-10-war-isis/

Better to pay 12-15 mn$ max for a 12 ship TAV squadron or 144-180 mn$ and wait 6 mos or a year for full delivery.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Do you know how old our Alpha jets are❓ in the first instance, and have you seen how we have done the impossible. We even have found a way to manufacture some component locally.

Age is just a number.

What you will find is that the bloated over fed American probably abandoned them for newer and supposedly better and more modern air frames. Some if the Bronco have less than 500 hours air time on the frame.

That not withstanding if the USAF can deploy them very very recently to great effect on routing ISIS from Mosul. Then they are absolutely good enough for the NAF.

We can get them for peanuts or next to nothing but most importantly HERE and NOW. Not on 6 years time. How long will they last is up to the ingenuity of our NAF maintenance engineers.But I can see life cycle of 10 years easily.

You should not be saying this.

Going back to the analogy of of automobiles. There are cars that are considered dead here and nobody can fix them here. But somehow our guys keep these things moving with ingenuity and they will drive them "No Shaking" Warri yo Lagos over far from the smoothest tarmac roads.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SuperSixSeven: 4:44pm On Aug 27, 2020
komekn:


You have lost the context.

The context is best value and most effective use of scarce resources.

If the USAF can deploy the OV10 Bronco to great effect albeit it upgraded in fighting against ISIS in Mosul. Then l would be very happy in procuring 60 of these aircraft for the NAF that could be be acquired for next to nothing.

That would be a complete game changer in the NE.

I could add that Peruvian Airforce have replaced there over priced and expensive A29 Tucano and replaced them with the Korean KAI K1 attack aircraft.




Peru AF is replacing the EMB 312 Tucano aquired 1986 with the KT-1. We are going to get the EMB 314 Super Tucano, they will rise and shine. Coming to cost, please consider that we get a full package including guides bombs, training, spares and ground installation and not just a air-frame in flyaway condition.

Note: OV10 fleet is out of production for decades now, dead and scraped in most part of the world. There would be no spare parts available, how would you maintain it?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Mugiwaraluffy: 6:33pm On Aug 27, 2020
komekn:


Your perception and what you feel is entire your prerogative.

What l said is that this airframe is not on the same quality in any way as the F16. That's a simple truth.

We say where l am from, " Cheap article de spoil belle " Using the analogy of cars from established long-term quality manufacturers. A used Mercedes-Benz will you more long-term reliability and perfomance than a cheap one from Pakistan.

I have noticed the very much older Apha jets joint European manufactured have given us far more reliability and effectiveness than the recently procured and expensive Chinese made F-7 (Mig21)


Now you just said Chinese products are of low quality, then why the constant hammering on Chinese wingloong II?
You keep on stressing on "best value for money" but A29 isn't bad at all. Yes it's expensive, but NAF aren't completely interested in panic buying. In every organisation there's always a long term and short term goal. A29 is part of their long term goal too. I'm sure you know we lack good attack aircraft and we can't keep relying on alpha jets in the next 5-10 years.
Buying 50+ drones does not really make sense when you don't have good aircraft in fleet.

I'm not attacking you about this neither I'm I forcing my opinion on you, but what I'll prefer you do is reduce or limit your criticism on every single thing the armed forces is doing especially purchasing (they're fucking up a lot, but at the same time they're trying even though it's not enough).
Most times your opinions counter each other.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:37pm On Aug 27, 2020
#UPDATES



BHT has reportedly kill the Leader of the Borno State Hunters, Abdulkareem Umar aka Baba Maigiwa who was held hostage in July during a failed negotiation by the Bokoharam factional commander. He fought terror war & supported Nigerian Army troops.

R.I.P. Abdulkareem Umar Baba

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka1: 6:47pm On Aug 27, 2020
SuperSixSeven:




Peru AF is replacing the EMB 312 Tucano aquired 1986 with the KT-1. We are going to get the EMB 314 Super Tucano, they will rise and shine. Coming to cost, please consider that we get a full package including guides bombs, training, spares and ground installation and not just a air-frame in flyaway condition.

Note: OV10 fleet is out of production for decades now, dead and scraped in most part of the world. There would be no spare parts available, how would you maintain it?

Even Ukraine is planning to replace it's L-39s with the Super Tucano.

https://defence-blog.com/news/ukraine-looking-to-replace-l-39-with-super-tucano-trainer.html

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Mugiwaraluffy: 6:55pm On Aug 27, 2020
@komekn
I just want to correct the notion or believe that you can get military hardware at cheap prices almost anywhere in the world.
Note: Nigeria does not buy from military contractors but rather engage in direct purchase country - country.
1. Now when a country is buying military hardware from another country, it's a whole different thing entirely because there's no room for corrupt government but mostly military officials to sale under the radar at that cheap price.
2. Bureaucracy: I'm sure you also know Nigeria does not have allies or enemies in global politics and prefer to maintain a neutral stand at all times. Now having a natural stand can have a negative effect coz these guys don't see any reason or treaty to compel them to give you weapons in fact we don't have military partners until of recent when NAF partnered with Pakistan.
Just coz I'm not using something does not mean I have to someone just coz they said they need it.
It'll be difficult for any NATO country to give us free weapons they're not using just coz we asked for it.
In eastern bloc, most sale of weapons are done through backdoor channels and Nigeria isn't doing that now so getting "cheap weapons" isn't easy and it's always followed by circumstance.
You always talk with authority to an extent I think maybe you're a military contractor too cheesy.
Please if you are, help us. We need you cheesy

One love

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 8:47pm On Aug 27, 2020
Mugiwaraluffy:

Now you just said Chinese products are of low quality, then why the constant hammering on Chinese wingloong II?
You keep on stressing on "best value for money" but A29 isn't bad at all. Yes it's expensive, but NAF aren't completely interested in panic buying. In every organisation there's always a long term and short term goal. A29 is part of their long term goal too. I'm sure you know we lack good attack aircraft and we can't keep relying on alpha jets in the next 5-10 years.
Buying 50+ drones does not really make sense when you don't have good aircraft in fleet.

I'm not attacking you about this neither I'm I forcing my opinion on you, but what I'll prefer you do is reduce or limit your criticism on every single thing the armed forces is doing especially purchasing (they're fucking up a lot, but at the same time they're trying even though it's not enough).
Most times your opinions counter each other.

The Wing Loong II UAV's are tried, tested and proven over the years in multiple battlefields across the globe.

Add to that the very competitive price of $1million. Compare that to the American uav's.

You present value view not an argument and your approach is based on sentiment not facts.

I have said the A29 Tucano is way over priced and it's stupid and downright ineptitude to be waiting for 6 years for delivery in completion and 3 years for the first aircraft.

I presented an argument with measured factual comparison not emotion.

l do not assume competence by designated title or position. I ascertain competence by actions, delivery outcome past and present antecedents.

To be substantive show intelligence if you like do some open source research. But using assumptive deductions based on perceptive notions birthed from the self is not the best approach.

Considering our present and historical penchant for sharp practices, in the context of Nigeria that's an approach fraught with inconsistencies in the negative.

If you struggle to comprehend my opinion and or deductions then do a bit more study. My opinions converge thereis no divergence into contradiction.

My expectations are not yours and you may be satisfied with the status quo but l am not.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 8:50pm On Aug 27, 2020
Mugiwaraluffy:
@komekn
I just want to correct the notion or believe that you can get military hardware at cheap prices almost anywhere in the world.
Note: Nigeria does not buy from military contractors but rather engage in direct purchase country - country.
1. Now when a country is buying military hardware from another country, it's a whole different thing entirely because there's no room for corrupt government but mostly military officials to sale under the radar at that cheap price.
2. Bureaucracy: I'm sure you also know Nigeria does not have allies or enemies in global politics and prefer to maintain a neutral stand at all times. Now having a natural stand can have a negative effect coz these guys don't see any reason or treaty to compel them to give you weapons in fact we don't have military partners until of recent when NAF partnered with Pakistan.
Just coz I'm not using something does not mean I have to someone just coz they said they need it.
It'll be difficult for any NATO country to give us free weapons they're not using just coz we asked for it.
In eastern bloc, most sale of weapons are done through backdoor channels and Nigeria isn't doing that now so getting "cheap weapons" isn't easy and it's always followed by circumstance.
You always talk with authority to an extent I think maybe you're a military contractor too cheesy.
Please if you are, help us. We need you cheesy

One love


That's UNTRUE I can assure you.

I find in the Nigerian military procurement culture a quest for the best deal for the individual. This is the historic dinosaur that has plagued Nigeria for decades.

I can assure ABSOLUTELY if l was in an official position of authority IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 8:53pm On Aug 27, 2020
What's all this. Let everyone hold his opinion. What's this back and forth ffs!
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by mekussa(m): 9:17pm On Aug 27, 2020
Okay....
Super Tucanos are useless..... We gree.
Nigeria doesn't know how to buy equipment.... We gree.
Bronco is better than Tucano..... We gree.
50 Chinese drones are better options than tucanos..... We gree.

Please can we now see road?
We don tire .

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Mugiwaraluffy: 9:18pm On Aug 27, 2020
komekn:


The Wing Loong II UAV's are tried, tested and proven over the years in multiple battlefields across the globe.

Add to that the very competitive price of $1million. Compare that to the American uav's.

You present value view not an argument and your approach is based on sentiment not facts.

I have said the A29 Tucano is way over priced and it's stupid and downright ineptitude to be waiting for 6 years for delivery in completion and 3 years for the first aircraft.

I presented an argument with measured factual comparison not emotion.

l do not assume competence by designated title or position. I ascertain competence by actions, delivery outcome past and present antecedents.

To be substantive show intelligence if you like do some open source research. But using assumptive deductions based on perceptive notions birthed from the self is not the best approach.

Considering our present and historical penchant for sharp practices, in the context of Nigeria that's an approach fraught with inconsistencies in the negative.

If you struggle to comprehend my opinion and or deductions then do a bit more study. My opinions converge thereis no divergence into contradiction.

My expectations are not yours and you may be satisfied with the status quo but l am not.
Never said I was comfortable with the status quo, but the fact remains it's better than what it was 5 years ago.
However if I should go on with this discussion presenting you with facts from data in open source, we may have this discussion for days and in the end still not agree with each other. For that reason, I beg to agree to disagree.
Personally, I respect your analytical deductions on some topics and would love to see more wink
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Mugiwaraluffy: 9:21pm On Aug 27, 2020
komekn:



That's UNTRUE I can assure you.

I find in the Nigerian military procurement culture a quest for the best deal for the individual. This is the historic dinosaur that has plagued Nigeria for decades.

I can assure ABSOLUTELY if l was in an official position of authority IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
You're not far from the truth, but tbh, bureaucracy is a plexus that you might be in the system but oblivious on some matters especially security issues
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Mugiwaraluffy: 9:22pm On Aug 27, 2020
mekussa:
Okay....
Super Tucanos are useless..... We gree.
Nigeria doesn't know how to buy equipment.... We gree.
Bronco is better than Tucano..... We gree.
50 Chinese drones are better options than tucanos..... We gree.

Please can we now see road?
We don tire .
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Bros no vex, just catch cruise grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka1: 10:14pm On Aug 27, 2020
I think with only Government to Government deals at the moment, someone here is not very happy and would explain all the Naija bashing grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by LTGEN: 11:45pm On Aug 27, 2020
rka1:
I think with only Government to Government deals at the moment, someone here is not very happy and would explain all the Naija bashing grin grin
Yes o!
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 11:56pm On Aug 27, 2020
1. @NigAirForce C-130H (NAF 917) has successfully crossed the 10,000 flying hrs mark. The aircraft was given a symbolic water salute upon landing at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport Abuja today. @CAS_AMSadique congratulates the Commander & crew for recording the milestone

https://twitter.com/kunledaramola3/status/1299098807637078016?s=21

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:00am On Aug 28, 2020
bidexiii:
1. @NigAirForce C-130H (NAF 917) has successfully crossed the 10,000 flying hrs mark. The aircraft was given a symbolic water salute upon landing at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport Abuja today. @CAS_AMSadique congratulates the Commander & crew for recording the milestone

https://twitter.com/kunledaramola3/status/1299098807637078016?s=21



2. Noteworthily, NAF 917 flew a total of 8,123hrs from its induction into @NigAirForce in June 1982 - July 2015 (33 years). With today’s milestone, NAF 917 has flown 1,880 hrs in the last 5 years, inclusive of the 9 months it was grounded for in-Country overhaul (PDM) in 2018/19

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:01am On Aug 28, 2020
bidexiii:


2. Noteworthily, NAF 917 flew a total of 8,123hrs from its induction into @NigAirForce in June 1982 - July 2015 (33 years). With today’s milestone, NAF 917 has flown 1,880 hrs in the last 5 years, inclusive of the 9 months it was grounded for in-Country overhaul (PDM) in 2018/19

3. Similarly, another C-130H, NAF 913, which underwent in-Country PDM in 2019/20, had earlier crossed the 10,000hr mark in March 2020. From March 1975 - July 2015 (40 years) NAF 913 had flown 8,403hrs. However, in just 5 years, July 2015 to August 2020, NAF 913 has flown 1,983hrs

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:02am On Aug 28, 2020
bidexiii:


3. Similarly, another C-130H, NAF 913, which underwent in-Country PDM in 2019/20, had earlier crossed the 10,000hr mark in March 2020. From March 1975 - July 2015 (40 years) NAF 913 had flown 8,403hrs. However, in just 5 years, July 2015 to August 2020, NAF 913 has flown 1,983hrs


4. The above achievements are testaments to the commitment of the Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, @CAS_AMSadique, to reposition @NigAirForce for the effective, efficient & timely employment of air power in response to Nigeria’s national security imperatives

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:05am On Aug 28, 2020
C130 badges insignia designed by private individuals

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:58am On Aug 28, 2020
#NAF K9

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 8:00am On Aug 28, 2020
#NA SNIPERS

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 8:07am On Aug 28, 2020
Joint operation between MNJTF

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 9:57am On Aug 28, 2020
DICON Partners with INNOSON to Produce Military Hardwares
by AnaedoOnlineAugust 27, 2020

The team of Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria(DICON) paid a courtesy visit to the CEO of Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing(IVM), Chief Innocent Chukwuma at his Nnewi factory in Anambra State on 26th August 2020 as the duo is set to partner in the production of MRAP EZUGWU.


DICON in collaboration with the Command Engineering Depot(CED) produced a Mine Resistant Armoured Protected Vehicle named EZUGWU MRAP which has been deployed to the North-East by the Nigerian Army to be used for executing insurgency operations.
The team intends to further partner with IVM in order to produce more military-grade vehicles, patrol vehicles, and soft
Skin vehicles for the Armed forces and other security agencies.
The DICON Team which comprises of Maj.Gen V.O. Ezugwu, DG DICON (Team Lead), Mr. Livingstone Nwaigbudu ( Director P&BD), Engr. Shedrack Agbo (Consultant DICON/CED Imperium Nig.Ltd), and Engr. Terra Addingi (Consultant DICON/CED) took a factory tour of the IVM facility in the company of Chief Chukwuma and other key members.
According to the team lead, Maj.Gen V.O. Ezugwu, who was impressed with the facilities on the ground; said the collaboration with IVM is inline with the FG’s drive to boost local content and encourage indigenous production in the country.
Chief Innocent Chukwuma was also very delighted to receive the team and promised to partner and support DICON in its production in order to assist the FG in its fight against insurgency in the country.
Defense Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON) is the state-run defense corporation of Nigeria and operated by the Nigerian Armed Forces. It is responsible for the production of defense equipment and civilian products and was founded in 1964

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:20am On Aug 28, 2020
Toju200:

DICON Partners with INNOSON to Produce Military Hardwares
by AnaedoOnlineAugust 27, 2020

The team of Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria(DICON) paid a courtesy visit to the CEO of Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing(IVM), Chief Innocent Chukwuma at his Nnewi factory in Anambra State on 26th August 2020 as the duo is set to partner in the production of MRAP EZUGWU.


[/b]DICON in collaboration with the Command Engineering Depot(CED) produced a Mine Resistant Armoured Protected Vehicle named EZUGWU MRAP which has been deployed to the North-East by the Nigerian Army to be used for executing insurgency operations.
The team intends to further partner with IVM in order to produce more military-grade vehicles, patrol vehicles, and soft
Skin vehicles for the Armed forces and other security agencies.[b]

The DICON Team which comprises of Maj.Gen V.O. Ezugwu, DG DICON (Team Lead), Mr. Livingstone Nwaigbudu ( Director P&BD), Engr. Shedrack Agbo (Consultant DICON/CED Imperium Nig.Ltd), and Engr. Terra Addingi (Consultant DICON/CED) took a factory tour of the IVM facility in the company of Chief Chukwuma and other key members.
According to the team lead, Maj.Gen V.O. Ezugwu, who was impressed with the facilities on the ground; said the collaboration with IVM is inline with the FG’s drive to boost local content and encourage indigenous production in the country.
Chief Innocent Chukwuma was also very delighted to receive the team and promised to partner and support DICON in its production in order to assist the FG in its fight against insurgency in the country.
Defense Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON) is the state-run defense corporation of Nigeria and operated by the Nigerian Armed Forces. It is responsible for the production of defense equipment and civilian products and was founded in 1964


That means will see more improvement on the NZEGWU MRAP

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 10:44am On Aug 28, 2020
Tried to upload new pics of Ezugwu MRAP but it ain't coming up..

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by slimthugchimee2(m): 10:58am On Aug 28, 2020
Toju200:
Tried to upload new pics of Ezugwu MRAP but it ain't coming up..

Try oh

No just mess up
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:13am On Aug 28, 2020
Ezugwu MRAP

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:14am On Aug 28, 2020
PF Ara in the NE

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:15am On Aug 28, 2020
Ara

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:16am On Aug 28, 2020
PF 2

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