But who in his right mindset except far north Moslems still see Nigeria as one country?

Ayilara1:
[b]

"Modified and adapted to modern realities"
Modernism itself is a religion that has came to erode all other morals and religion.

To a real modernist, a true Christian can never be modernist because the two religions contradict. How well modernized is xtianity when it comes to freedom to dress anyhow and gay marriage?

The difference between Islam and all other religion is that they all seek to gain people by trying to follow the religion(modernism) while holding there core belief and Dropping whatever they can of their preaching and I believe, as time goes on you all will come to accept gay marriage and others you still oppose.

The time will come whereby what's acceptable by aethist and the Christian will be the same and the only difference will be your belief in God existence.

Islam will never change as it's a divine religion and it's divinity is evident in it's proliferation in number across the world amidst the hatred - the fastest growing religion.

And before I go peace isn't the Absence of violence but the enforcement of justice.

Load of balderdash. You better give your life to Christ, there's nothing in Islam.

Empiree:
You have excellently said it all. This is a prove that all religions that you mentioned and those your didn't remember to mention are fake.

Imagine religions are modified?. It is a proof they were never from God. Christianity included. Yet you all claimed your religions are from God.

A true religion doesn't need modification. Besides, I still don't get why this judgement is your problem. The law applies to only Muslims and you guys are crying over what doesn't concern you?. Please get over it and move on.

Germany still has capital punishment for whoever doesn't believe in the Holocaust. Doesn't this contrary freedom of speech?. Guys, get over this shit and mind your business. It is still possible the guy may not be executed. He has opportunity to appeal and due process was observed. Law is law. Laws are meant to regulate society.

Let every religion in the world enforce their religious laws and you get to realize Islam is the only religion that accommodate everyone. You will all troop to Islam if every religion is to enforce their religious laws. So get over this buddy and mind your business if you are not Muslim.

LOL mumu.
Christianity evolved away from those who sought to destroy it. It's essence is love and faith. As long as there's love and faith Christianity can never be eroded.
Your religion has nothing to offer humanity than rape, killings and sorrow.

AFONJAPIG:
Just watching... If they carry out the execution it might spring up uprising... I wonder why Christain association of Nigeria are not talking

As a Muslim I strongly support the killing of a blasphemer being him a Muslim.

But if he is a Christian we should look in to Bible to find the necessary punishment for that.
If he(the Christian) reject the punishment from the Bible then he should be tried according to the Constitution.

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say;

“Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper Qur'an 2 vs (120).

shegsrules:
It's funny that Atiku Abubakar and other northern elites who always have an opinion about various issues are all suddenly quiet. Are the scared of statements or because of their own selfish interest or because of their political careers.

They are quiet because they agree with what's going on, they are closet fanatics, it is not about interests or politics. Although it is impossible to happen and can never happen but let's just assume and imagine it's the other way around and it was a person being sentenced to death in the South for insulting Jesus. People like Atiku and Hell Dubai will be among the first to rush to Twitter and be forming activists and human rights defenders. Then some mumu naive Southerners will be shouting Atikulate 2023, mtchwwwwwww! That's why I have deep respect for Northern leaders like Yaradua, Abacha, IBB etc, they were very plain and straightforward. They were not snakes. You will know where they stand, they don't hide. But these Northern elites of today, they will say, "They Condemn terrorists and killings" in the day time, then go behind and sponsor Boko Haram and bandits at night. May God continue to deliver us from wicked souls

Had it been this musician insults Jesus(the son of Mary) peace be upon him. Muslims all over the world will call for his death.

Openbusiness:
They are quiet because they agree with what's going on, they are closet fanatics, it is not about interests or politics. Although it is impossible to happen and can never happen but let's just assume and imagine it's the other way around and it was a person being sentenced to death in the South for insulting Jesus. People like Atiku and Hell Dubai will be among the first to rush to Twitter and be forming activists and human rights defenders. Then some mumu naive Southerners will be shouting Atikulate 2023, mtchwwwwwww! That's why I have deep respect for Northern leaders like Yaradua, Abacha, IBB etc, they were very plain and straightforward. They were not snakes. You will know where they stand, they don't hide. But these Northern elites of today, they will say, "They Condemn terrorists and killings" in the day time, then go behind and sponsor Boko Haram and bandits at night. May God continue to deliver us from wicked souls

barojana:

LOL mumu.
Christianity evolved away from those who sought to destroy it. It's essence is love and faith. As long as there's love and faith Christianity can never be eroded.
Your religion has nothing to offer humanity than rape, killings and sorrow.

this is emotional not reality. Face the reality

abbey621:


Religion is different from law! There's a reason Islam is called religion of peace and I advise all justice seeking/blood sucking people to find out why! When Islam is looked at from the foundation/root level, you discover the message of love, you discover the message of peace. This is the difference between extremisim (Those who base the religion on the justic prinicple) and that of true believers(Those who interprete the religion from the standpoint of peace and unity).

If forgiveness is not part of Islam then we should all be dead because I assure you we have all sinned today!

Religion is different from law? Do you have a religion? If you belong to any of the Abrahamic religion, what was the 10commandments of God? Merely words not laws?

What's the essence of religion if it has no law? I don't know about your religion but Islam and it's law are inseparable.

To avoid unnecessary redundancy I wouldn't repeat anything of forgiveness again aside this

Forgiveness is for God and his prophet to give not our e.g a raped girl might decide to forgive her rapist and neglect charging him to court but in another scenario where a girl is raped to death, it is the responsibility of those in charge to charge the rapist to court and not forgive him.

The prophet might forgive if he is alive but in his absence it's ours to stand for is name.

They only question should be is death sentence not too much and not issue of forgiveness.

In response to your last paragraph, only three sin in Islam leads to killing of the doer and not all sin and the wisdom behind it to reduce the doer e.g adultery in Saudi is minimal and if you do it, it is not something you can be proud of in public as in our environment.

Why is china rate of corruption minimal in comparison to ours? They kill the money stealer.

Ayilara1:


Firstly,Stop viewing Islam from the optics of the world but view the worLd from the optics of Islam - we Muslim are made to save the world from its disease.

I'll ask you too ; if a rapist rape and kill a girl and you're the one to free or sentence him to death what will be your judgement?

Between raping/killing a girl and blasphemy of a prophet of God, which is greater?

And to your question I say YES if he didn't repent and his repentance is even subject to debate.

NOW, Answer mine.

There is no disease in this world that the Muslim should save. Infact if we are going to speak truth to the situation we can actually say Islam is actually the disease of this world if you’re trying to look it in that context.

I will sentence the rapist to death based on the laws of the nation and looking at the fact that he killed the girl he raped.

Killing a girl is a sin GREATER than blaspheming against God because it is a sin in the physical realm.

Blaspheming against God sound more spiritual and God himself should be a pope to judge the person if he think there is need. Moreso God means a lot to many people, to some its Orunmila, Buddha, Jesus, and Allah.

Ayilara1:


Religion is different from law? Do you have a religion? If you belong to any of the Abrahamic religion, what was the 10commandments of God? Merely words not laws?

What's the essence of religion if it has no law? I don't know about your religion but Islam and it's law are inseparable.

To avoid unnecessary redundancy I wouldn't repeat anything of forgiveness again aside this

Forgiveness is for God and his prophet to give not our e.g a raped girl might decide to forgive her rapist and neglect charging him to court but in another scenario where a girl is raped to death, it is the responsibility of those in charge to charge the rapist to court and not forgive him.

The prophet might forgive if he is alive but in his absence it's ours to stand for is name.

They only question should be is death sentence not too much and not issue of forgiveness.

In response to your last paragraph, only three sin in Islam leads to killing of the doer and not all sin and the wisdom behind it to reduce the doer e.g adultery in Saudi is minimal and if you do it, it is not something you can be proud of in public as in our environment.

Why is china rate of corruption minimal in comparison to ours? They kill the money stealer.

I have read all your responses so far. Only someone who removed emotions can understand your point.
To me, the death sentence is too much. There are other options like exile or forgiveness (if blasphemer ask for it), I hope they consider that for him.

P1PrinceKT:
Had it been this musician insults Jesus(the son of Mary) peace be upon him. Muslims all over the world will call for his death.

Like you called for this guy's death bah? I'm pretty sure i remember the date when Muslims called for his death, it was in 15 December, 200imagination.........Yeah right! I guess the tweet was not an insult to Jesus, it was a compliment. See at this stage in my life, I know left from right, nobody can deceive me again.

that's it what the law says. What the law says is different from opinion of citizens. What citizens can do is to plead for leniency..i am not gonna succumb to anyone rubbish comments online. .

State law stated the law and he violated the law knowing the consequences. If you are in western world and violate the law they tell you law is law.

You can be persecuted for almost anything there too. So you all need to stop being emotional about what is not. You should rather plead to the govt for mercy not challenge the law.[ And if you are not Muslim then I wonder why this is your issue?.

You should be concerned about jungle justices in your locality. What I am looking forward to however is that this so called law should extend to politicians to balance equation. Both Sharia and common law in Nigeria are useless because they apply only to the less privileged. Politicians are immune to them. That's all I can fault here.

Anything else?

LegendHero:


Quick question:
Do you agree with the verdict that the man should be killed because of blaspheming against Mohammed?

If you have the power to say YEs or NO to decide the killing of the guy, what would your response be?

Thanks in anticipation to your reply.

Thastie:

Calm down na. This thing is not that hard now. Death is not the only sentence for blasphemy, there are two other options like exile and forgiveness (if the Blasphemer ask for forgiveness). Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is all about being merciful to one another (which is what the Prophet practiced).
I understand there will be anger especially when xtians and atheist insult our religion and we can't insult their gods(cos it's a sin to do that), let's look beyond that anger and let our hearts remain merciful.

I was only replying his logics, no hard feelings.

Ayilara1:


By your logic, All sin should be left unpunished till ojo igbende Al-qiyamah

Sin should be punished if it goes contradictory to the established physical laws of the land but it is barbaric and insane to punish someone for spiritual sin at this age and time.

Now who did he sin against? Mohammed? Who did Mohammed tell anyone he sinned against him such that death is now the last resort?

Do you agree that anyone that blasphemy against Orunmila should be killed? Do you know how many times Muslims and Christians have blasphemed against the traditional practices? You know how many time several shrines have been demolished by religious folks.

I’ve always tried to distinguish the Northern practice from the Southern practice in this kind of scenario coz the North is lost forever and they have no remedy to their multidirectional problem.

Lastly, I’m thankful people that reason like you are in the minority and infact infinitesimal to the extent of making any change in the west.

I have a another question to you coz I assume you’re Yoruba:
Since some scholars have said Allah don’t want us to associate with infidels (Christians and pagans), can you boldly say that there is no Christian within your extended family?

If they exists, why don’t you denounce them and follow the laws?

They are just booking their tickets in hell. No one has the moral right to take the life of another just because of words. They should go ahead and kill him and wait for the judgment of our Lord Jesus whom God has appointed to judge the world. The young man should just give his life to Christ and he will be guaranteed heaven.

IdisuleOurOwn:


Mullah Empiree will dodge that your question and start talking about how denying Holocaust is a crime or how atheists do this and that.

And I asked, is atheism a religion and believe there is a supreme Being?

We read in the Qur'an that Allah sub'anawata'alah is gonna pay everyone for what each person does on earth on the day of Judgement. Why not leave this person for him to be paid back which we all believe to be punishment on the day of Qiyyama?

senseless comment. If we are to go by your idea, then, we will leave thieves, armed robbers, murderers, looters, defamation of character and host of other crimes and let God judge later. What type of senseless reasoning capacity is this?.

Germany has capital punishment for denying Holocaust. Where is your outcry?. Go to Germany and publicly deny Holocaust. You will lose everything you have in life and lose yourself too. Since their law was in effect they rarely persecute anyone because people simply obey the law. Law is law.

An old German woman who denied Holocaust was persecuted for it but due to plea from international community they reduced her punishment. So stop your trash. Plead to the govt to show leniency not challenging the judgement.

Get over this, man.

Imagine people even defending this? E.g. the comments above

Na wa! Barbarians living among humans.

Ayilara1:


I don't do emotional argument I do intellectual ones

If you take a killer and you killed him(through court judgement) in return what have you done?

You've enforced a law - kill for kill
And you did it violently - the person you kill will not lay himself without you forcing him

And by so doing what have you brough into the society? - peace

Peace since people know no one kill and be left unkilled.

Waow. I think we have a reincarnated Hitler here. Who fed you this BS kool-aid? So who did this young lad kill? The arabs that made you crazy in their images are now changing their stance while you the sheeple is still supporting their misdeeds.

LegendHero:


There is no disease in this world that the Muslim should save. Infact if we are going to speak truth to the situation we can actually say Islam is actually the disease of this world if you’re trying to look it in that context.

I will sentence the rapist to death based on the laws of the nation and looking at the fact that he killed the girl he raped.

Killing a girl is a sin GREATER than blaspheming against God because it is a sin in the physical realm.

Blaspheming against God sound more spiritual and God himself should be a pope to judge the person if he think there is need. Moreso God means a lot to many people, to some its Orunmila, Buddha, Jesus, and Allah.

First paragraph - Another day.

Third paragraph - what is a sin? Who do you sin against? Killing a man and not believing in the one that created the man, which is greater in the eye of the one you can sin against?

More physical , The dead girl is dead too it sound more "soulical" , why kill a living for a dead?

Your last word - whatever you worship I'll never disrespect it talkless of blaspheming it because

“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do”

[al-An‘aam 6:108]”.

Islam is a very backward religion...

Enceladus:



Waow. I think we have a reincarnated Hitler here. Who fed you this BS kool-aid? So who did this young lad kill? The arabs that made you crazy in their images are now changing their stance while you the sheeple is still supporting their misdeeds.

Orisirisi

When you know the reason, the consequence stops baffling you.

Ignorance and arrogance

P1PrinceKT:
And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say;

“Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper Qur'an 2 vs (120).

why this mad focus on Jews and Christians tho? Asin they are not the only religion in the world na.

Openbusiness:
See you are very correct and I used to share this your views too, until recent events upgraded my perceptions. As for North, let's face the facts, can anybody in the 80's ever believe that the North can turn to a region where Northerners themselves will turn to suicide bombers and terrorists that will be destroying cities, destroying military barracks and fighting war with the military like it is happening now? The signs were there since the 70's that the North was heading in that direction, but people generally dismissed it like you are doing now that it can never get to that point. But that's what happens when we forget history, because if we had not forgotten the history of Uthman Danfodio era then we should know the foundation was still there and hibernating and the wrong steps could wake up those ideas of national religious conquest again that went to sleep in the wake of a new era. Now, look at the North today. A region known for calm and tranquility that it had attained after a dark era of bloodletting is now back to the era of bloodletting. The Southwest may not be as fragmented as the North in terms of oneness of tribal identity but I am telling you that the bond the Yoruba ancestor has among themselves and community is getting weaker and not like before again. Slowly, fanatic groups like MURIC are creeping in, don't they have followers, don't they have youths they are schooling and influencing and teaching their fanaticism to? The Yusuf guy that started Boko Haram, that was how he used was a preacher in his sect too, and slowly they grew into what the Nigerian Army has not been able to conquer in over 10 years, a whole army of the country oh, not like they are fighting against a single agency like LASTMA or Civil Defense. The Armed Forces of the federal republic itself. So, it's better the southwest leaders start taking conscious decisions and take deliberate precautionary actions to guide its people away from that path, and instill the ideology of their ancestors into the youths that Tribe before religion, so that the southwest won't end up like the North.

What you have been singing to Legendhero is very very correct.

In the 70s and 80s, there was nothing like religious extremism in the north. Then in Kaduna, Jos, Bauchi, Zaria e.t.c, Christians and muslims lived together in every quarters, every neighbourhood, Compound and streets together as one, but from the 90s, all these changed and it has been getting worse and will only get worse!

If Yorubas do not leave this cursed nation called Nigeria on time and build a united country on strong cultural values, Islamic radicalism will grow among Yoruba muslims in no time!

Were Boko Haram members not discovered in Okene some years ago? Is Okene not a stonethrow from Yoruba land?

Things will only get worse.

Ayilara1:


Religion is different from law? Do you have a religion? If you belong to any of the Abrahamic religion, what was the 10commandments of God? Merely words not laws?

What's the essence of religion if it has no law? I don't know about your religion but Islam and it's law are inseparable.

To avoid unnecessary redundancy I wouldn't repeat anything of forgiveness again aside this

Forgiveness is for God and his prophet to give not our e.g a raped girl might decide to forgive her rapist and neglect charging him to court but in another scenario where a girl is raped to death, it is the responsibility of those in charge to charge the rapist to court and not forgive him.

The prophet might forgive if he is alive but in his absence it's ours to stand for is name.

They only question should be is death sentence not too much and not issue of forgiveness.

In response to your last paragraph, only three sin in Islam leads to killing of the doer and not all sin and the wisdom behind it to reduce the doer e.g adultery in Saudi is minimal and if you do it, it is not something you can be proud of in public as in our environment.

Why is china rate of corruption minimal in comparison to ours? They kill the money stealer.

Again you're missing the point and arguing baselessly! Why are you not dead? Can you boast that you've not committed a sin since you've been alive that warrants death by stoning/flogging etc? Once again you're confusing man made laws with religion/worship of God! I beg you to learn the difference, even in the Quran, the Almighty Allah says he pardons whom he wants and crucify as he pleases. His ways are not known to man, man's justice is not his justice. Any religion founded on fear and punishment is sure to perish, this is why even in Saudi things are starting to change, women can now drive, capital punishment for adultery, stealing etc has reduced greatly, if you don't see the difference between Muslims in Qatar/Saudi and those in Northern Nigeria then this dscussion is over!

LegendHero:


Christ death Might have ended it for the Christins but it is still part of the Bible. Have you ever asked any Muslim the context of their Quranic verses? Did you give them any benefit of the doubt to also explain to you whether they have another verse that already ended the other law?

So far it’s in the Bible, people of other religion can always make reference to it and use it for their propaganda just like Christian also quote Quranic verse out of context without allowing Muslims to defend themselves.

I think the Southern Muslims just chose to maintain their lane in this issue and I think it’s best our leaders speak up against what is happening in the North.

Lastly MURIC is just one man organization, you guys should stop using him as a representation of the Muslim Yorubas. Prof Akintola is already lost and I know his FK will be treated soon by we Muslims ourselves.

Well I can see that you're matured the way you handle issues....Lets come together and take back our future

This is not good for us brother
The silence of our Muslim southern Lawyers here is unacceptable

It doesn't take the.Northern Lawyers to form a parallel NMBA ....we need to protect our common interest in south or else they impose theirs

Thanks for the mature response sha

feejay70:
Muslims are responsible for all the misfortune we are facing in north today. This means sharia law is functioning in hausa states... But they can't try such a wickedness in northeast!

Who told you that this cannot happen in the NE?
It cannot happen in Taraba & Adamawa because of the huge numbers of Christians in this state, but it can happen in Gombe, Bauchi, Yobe & Borno! Cos these states are officially under Sharia!

North-central is the only place such madness cannot take place.

P1PrinceKT:


As a Muslim I strongly support the killing of a blasphemer being him a Muslim.

But if he is a Christian we should look in to Bible to find the necessary punishment for that.
If he(the Christian) reject the punishment from the Bible then he should be tried according to the Constitution.

when are they going to kill Hell rufai for blasphemy god that can't find it offender is that one a god , hypocrites make unah keep deceiving unah selves

Amah70:
But who in his right mindset except far north Moslems still see Nigeria as one country?

Lots and lots of irredeemably föolish and wasted Christians from the SS, SW and NC still think Nigerian can work.

I myself being from the NC gave up on Nigeria being one country in 2017 and I now hate Nigeria more than Nnamdi Kanu does.

I am currently very happy that things like this keep on happening in Nigeria, so that the remaining percentage of föols who call themselves Christians who still believe in Nigeria can have their doubts cleared.

LegendHero:


Sin should be punished if it goes contradictory to the established physical laws of the land but it is barbaric and insane to punish someone for spiritual sin at this age and time.

Now who did he sin against? Mohammed? Who did Mohammed tell anyone he sinned against him such that death is now the last resort?

Do you agree that anyone that blasphemy against Orunmila should be killed? Do you know how many times Muslims and Christians have blasphemed against the traditional practices? You know how many time several shrines have been demolished by religious folks.

I’ve always tried to distinguish the Northern practice from the Southern practice in this kind of scenario coz the North is lost forever and they have no remedy to their multidirectional problem.

Lastly, I’m thankful people that reason like you are in the minority and infact infinitesimal to the extent of making any change in the west.

I have a another question to you coz I assume you’re Yoruba:
Since some scholars have said Allah don’t want us to associate with infidels (Christians and pagans), can you boldly say that there is no Christian within your extended family?

If they exists, why don’t you denounce them and follow the laws?

I'm ignoring all but the bolded.

Scholars didn't say, it's a Quranic verse (Al-mujadila 22) as it's also in the bible (2 Corinthians 6:14–15) and this isn't saying we shouldn't associate with them but not to make them our bosom companion.

And it's quite logical and practical, you wouldn't see a very religious Christian or Muslim been bosslm with unbeliever.

How do you reconcile between two different individual?

One is playing naira marley's song the other is reading Quran /playing gospel.

One is talking about how he knacked a girl the other says it fornication.

One went to club to drink and party the other went to church or mosque. How can they be friends?

After you've called a disbeliever and he still remAins adamant you have to leave him a(close association) so he doesn't affect you and make you like him.

Note: This is my last comment on this trend.