Evercurious:



And that's why I keep saying that he is a double tongued man. Onye ire abuo

Please enlighten us on this CAMA act u are against of。u can please help summarize it on what you think is wrong about it

ryloy:
I don't know why all these fuss about nothing. Why register with CAC in the first place ,if you don't want to do annual filing

It is a ploy to make churches pay tax.

stevonics:


no body asked any church to register with Cac.

church is meant to worship God through evangelism and other humanitarian services. many churches till today are operating without any registration with cac.

why some churches and organisation register with cac.
1. to have exlusive right to a name in legal and official matters.
2. the above will enable them to run a corporate bank account with the choice name., hence hiding the name of the owners or trustees.
3. branches can be opened with such registered name and funds can be moved via that bank account easily.

any church of God that register with cac want to control money, simple.

Oga they were asked to register, am talking because am an insider

TOPCRUISE:

Those criticizing CAMA don't even know the details. What their pastors are telling them is what they are carrying about. I will advise them to download the CAMA act 2020 and read it before spewing nonsense online

Tell your president to sign the electoral bill, restructure or still prohibit state especially in the North from building mosques instead of school

Then I will believe you and your radical President.

The same people pushing for water bill aka RUGA. Why not use the same energy push for development.

To weaken the church and up jihad is the game Buhari is up to. And his government is coming up with various versions.

The point is the big churches are creating them sleepless nights.

chipet67:

What they write in their act, what they tell you and what they want to do are 3 different things.

Gbam! CAMA or no CAMA. Leave the Church alone. They should go and be regulating their families.

ozo13:

Please enlighten us on this CAMA act u are against of。u can please help summarize it on what you think is wrong about it

Have you finish regulating your one kain life?

jaxxy:
Shud churches be regulated? Well there are churches abusing their privileges both in unGodly and unethical ways.

Shud the government come in to regularize or monitor them? I’m not sure. Can’t CAN handle that

In Europe ,Govt regulate the churches,NGOs and mosques.In sweden for example ,the govt takes 1% church tax on behalf of the Churches from devotees(optional) and they can apply for grants also.
Religious (Jew,Xtian and Muslim)secondary and primary schools are free in Sweden.

eniolaamos7:

It is a ploy to make churches pay tax.

When you register a Church or organization as non profit organization and start making profit from it......it's a scam
Church is not for profit making and that is why it was registered under CAC........

masterP042:
I've always been a knowledge enthusiast, always seeking to get first hand and credible information before voicing opinions. I'm not a fan of pastors cos many of them peddle lies and deceit.
Many of us shouting stop the CAM Act. Don't even know the details of the Act in the first place, most of us haven't gone through it, they just take whatever their pastors tell them, hook line and sinker. Many of the pastors are against this, because it affects their own area of business, not because it is bad generally. They didn't point out the fact that it helps for the ease of registration and running of business for the common man, where single share holded companies and one man companies doesnt need to employ auditors, where virtual meetings and electronic meetings are now acceptable? Etc
Why won't the govt treat churches like a business? When they are run like a business. If these churches are run the way it's supposed to be, they wouldn't have issues.
Churches claim that they are non profit organizations, but how do you explain the fact that the pastor, takes the people's donations, and buy a private jet for himself, open and run universities from proceeds of DONATION in order to make personal profit, live lavish lifestyles and build mansions from a supposed NON PROFIT organization.
The pastors have proven not to be very accountable with church funds that's why the govt ammended the 1990 Act. The question is, why is it that churches are the only ones shouting against this? What about thousands of other ophanage homes, motherless babies, NGOs, mosques, and other denominations?
If actually they're in for "service" they shouldn't really be bothered by the clause of changing board of trustees, in the real world, any company or organization that is found to be miss run, is investigated and the executives suspended for the mean time. Are they afraid of being investigated? In America and uk for instance, at some point, the MfM church and kicc were taken over by the govt during the time of investigation. So it's normal.
Why is it that the churches which are run like business are the ones complaining? It's just like in a class and a few group of students are complaining about a new tough exam invigilator, is there something they are afraid of? Or is it actually in defence of the body of Christ?

Keep quiet!
The church is far more accountable then your entire government.


Government of the North work through the mosques.

Churches work through individual and groups.

The two are fund differently.

What is RUGA or new water bill for?

The church is becoming too big for jihad government to control and the moment they succeed(CAMA) the Muslims will no longer face restrictions.

That is why Muslims are not complaining
But you see them form New NBA this one concern them.

Same thing in Kaduna, South Kaduna killing. Muslims are not complaining because they are the attackers.

During the National confab, there were recommendations on religion regulations let Buhari look into that but he will not because there both Christians and Muslims has equal rights.

Inform your Buhari to sign electoral bill he refused but they can form RUGA and removal of CKC from school.

What concern government on how Bill Gate or people spend their money?? If any pastor stole money, EFCc and other law can persecute such matte. So there is law enforcement on the ground.

You are a liar, post the link where MFM and KICC were TAKEN OVER by the govt!

There are enlightened people on Nairaland, you don't just throw out nonsense fake news because you are a supporter/enabler of evil.

What has Buhari govt done for Nigerians aside from consistently throwing us into recession?

Unemployment has increased by 5times since he took over power.

Freedom of Speech no longer exists in this country

Yet he wants to regulate and take over churches.

Rubbish

masterP042:
I've always been a knowledge enthusiast, always seeking to get first hand and credible information before voicing opinions. I'm not a fan of pastors cos many of them peddle lies and deceit.
Many of us shouting stop the CAM Act. Don't even know the details of the Act in the first place, most of us haven't gone through it, they just take whatever their pastors tell them, hook line and sinker. Many of the pastors are against this, because it affects their own area of business, not because it is bad generally. They didn't point out the fact that it helps for the ease of registration and running of business for the common man, where single share holded companies and one man companies doesnt need to employ auditors, where virtual meetings and electronic meetings are now acceptable? Etc
Why won't the govt treat churches like a business? When they are run like a business. If these churches are run the way it's supposed to be, they wouldn't have issues.
Churches claim that they are non profit organizations, but how do you explain the fact that the pastor, takes the people's donations, and buy a private jet for himself, open and run universities from proceeds of DONATION in order to make personal profit, live lavish lifestyles and build mansions from a supposed NON PROFIT organization.
The pastors have proven not to be very accountable with church funds that's why the govt ammended the 1990 Act. The question is, why is it that churches are the only ones shouting against this? What about thousands of other ophanage homes, motherless babies, NGOs, mosques, and other denominations?
If actually they're in for "service" they shouldn't really be bothered by the clause of changing board of trustees, in the real world, any company or organization that is found to be miss run, is investigated and the executives suspended for the mean time. Are they afraid of being investigated? In America and uk for instance, at some point, the MfM church and kicc were taken over by the govt during the time of investigation. So it's normal.
Why is it that the churches which are run like business are the ones complaining? It's just like in a class and a few group of students are complaining about a new tough exam invigilator, is there something they are afraid of? Or is it actually in defence of the body of Christ?

cocolacec:

In Europe ,Govt regulate the churches,NGOs and mosques.In sweden for example ,the govt takes 1% church tax on behalf of the Churches from devotees(optional) and they can apply for grants also.
Religious (Jew,Xtian and Muslim)secondary and primary schools are free in Sweden.

Like u said Europe and Sweden. Those governments has well regulated themselves, transparent, Effective and Efficienct.

A docile, non transparent/secretive, non efficient/performing government like what we have in Nigeria/Africa has no business regulating anybody moreless the church.

They shud fix their government house first. I’m sorry to say bt what Nonsense!!!

If we had a Swedish or European styled government here I’m sure none of these churches will complain.

IF U WANT TO COPY, COPY CORRECTLY AND WITH SENSE. Don’t just copy the part that pleases or satisfies u or ur AGENDA

ozo13:

Please enlighten us on this CAMA act u are against of。u can please help summarize it on what you think is wrong about it

https://dailypost.ng/2020/08/22/emmanuel-onwubiko-the-idiocy-of-attacking-oyedepo-on-cama/

Pls try and go through this. Though it's quite lengthy but pls try.. Read with an open mind and try to read other articles on CAMA here.. weigh them all and make your decision

Personally as a Christian, I support CAMA. The church should not be a profit making enterprise, churches and other religious bodies should pay tax to the government. I believe that if the churches pay taxes to the government and totally deregulated from being a one-man show, then the church in Nigeria can completely hold our political leaders accountable for the mismanagement of the funds and corruption in government since the tax paid by the church is also part of the money being looted. My church recently opened branches in Kenya and Uganda after having a very successful missionary work in those countries, if you know the stiff regulations our GO had to go through to get those churches up and running, you'd be amazed. These GOs complaining about CAMA own churches in countries that have steeper regulations, including having a license to preach. So why all the fuss and noise making, or am I missing something here?

ff0000:
Gbam! CAMA or no CAMA. Leave the Church alone. They should go and be regulating their families.

Try to enlighten yourself about Church and the reason for CAMA,...... you just stand on the propagands of your Pastorprenours to defend their practice.,......with the same mouth you are accusing/condemning the government of poverty and bad economy yet you are part of the destruction of the economy,......
Stop being selfish........

CAMA is a Taqqiya.
With regards to the new CAMA Law I have seen plenty write-ups from some Christians castigating Pastors who oppose it because of fears that CAMA gives the Registrar of CAC the power to dissolve their church boards and appoint administrators.

I want to believe we are not about to make the same historical mistakes that allowed Islam to conquer many Christian territories who were abandoned because they took a different pathway as Coptics in Egypt or Orthodox in Constantinople (now Turkey) and other countries when Rome did little to help them until Pope Urban started the Crusades but by then the Muslims have already conquered Spain, Jerusalem, Egypt, Arabia and other areas and forcefully converted them to Islam.

Do we take because we feel that some of the Pastors are corrupt and should be tamed we allow a Muslim registrar to take over the management of a church in Zamfara or Enugu as long as is it doesn't affect us directly?
Christians make una no fall for this gradual Taqqiya

Tell us what you as a person is against in the act

Evercurious:


https://dailypost.ng/2020/08/22/emmanuel-onwubiko-the-idiocy-of-attacking-oyedepo-on-cama/

Pls try and go through this. Though it's quite lengthy but pls try.. Read with an open mind and try to read other articles on CAMA here.. weigh them all and make your decision

CzarChris:
Personally as a Christian, I support CAMA. The church should not be a profit making enterprise, churches and other religious bodies should pay tax to the government. I believe that if the churches pay taxes to the government and totally deregulated from being a one-man show, then the church in Nigeria can completely hold our political leaders accountable for the mismanagement of the funds and corruption in government since the tax paid by the church is also part of the money being looted. My church recently opened branches in Kenya and Uganda, if you know the stiff regulations our GO had to go through to get those churches up and running, you'd be amazed. These GOs complaining about CAMA own churches in countries that have steeper regulations, including having a license to preach. So why all the fuss and noise making, or am I missing something here?

Like someone said earlier, why is it difficult to pass the Petroleum Industry bill for several years now and the electoral Act that will fight corruption in those 2 sectors which is more than what we have in religious organisations?
If you are a Christian truly you won't fall for this well packaged Taqqiya

desiredhome:

Try to enlighten yourself about Church and the reason for CAMA,...... you just stand on the propagands of your Pastorprenours to defend their practice.,......with the same mouth you are accusing/condemning the government of poverty and bad economy yet you are part of the destruction of the economy,......
Stop being selfish........

Why is it hard to pass the Petroleum Industry bill and the electoral Act for several years, this year N604b has been spent on maintaining non functional refineries, na Pastors and churches be your problem Abi?

masterP042:
I've always been a knowledge enthusiast, always seeking to get first hand and credible information before voicing opinions. I'm not a fan of pastors cos many of them peddle lies and deceit.
Many of us shouting stop the CAM Act. Don't even know the details of the Act in the first place, most of us haven't gone through it, they just take whatever their pastors tell them, hook line and sinker. Many of the pastors are against this, because it affects their own area of business, not because it is bad generally. They didn't point out the fact that it helps for the ease of registration and running of business for the common man, where single share holded companies and one man companies doesnt need to employ auditors, where virtual meetings and electronic meetings are now acceptable? Etc
Why won't the govt treat churches like a business? When they are run like a business. If these churches are run the way it's supposed to be, they wouldn't have issues.
Churches claim that they are non profit organizations, but how do you explain the fact that the pastor, takes the people's donations, and buy a private jet for himself, open and run universities from proceeds of DONATION in order to make personal profit, live lavish lifestyles and build mansions from a supposed NON PROFIT organization.
The pastors have proven not to be very accountable with church funds that's why the govt ammended the 1990 Act. The question is, why is it that churches are the only ones shouting against this? What about thousands of other ophanage homes, motherless babies, NGOs, mosques, and other denominations?
If actually they're in for "service" they shouldn't really be bothered by the clause of changing board of trustees, in the real world, any company or organization that is found to be miss run, is investigated and the executives suspended for the mean time. Are they afraid of being investigated? In America and uk for instance, at some point, the MfM church and kicc were taken over by the govt during the time of investigation. So it's normal.
Why is it that the churches which are run like business are the ones complaining? It's just like in a class and a few group of students are complaining about a new tough exam invigilator, is there something they are afraid of? Or is it actually in defence of the body of Christ?

You end up saying nothing

seguntijan:
Fact Check:

1. 96% of mosques in Nigeria do not operate a bank account. (Published by NBS)

2. No Imam owns a mosque and cannot handover a mosque to his children.

3. When an individual builds a mosque, it still does not belong to him but hands it over. He has no say on who becomes the Imam of the mosque.

4. Friday freewill donations are strictly used for charity and mosque maintenance and this is strictly supervised by a council.

5. No Imam in Nigeria has a private jet. (NBS data authenticate this information.)

So, why will any Imam or Mosque be afraid of CAMA? Only those with business empires to protect are afraid of CAMA.

You are spewing trashes. can you compare charity work of Christianity and that of Islam?

cocolacec:

In Europe ,Govt regulate the churches,NGOs and mosques.In sweden for example ,the govt takes 1% church tax on behalf of the Churches from devotees(optional) and they can apply for grants also.
Religious (Jew,Xtian and Muslim)secondary and primary schools are free in Sweden.

Those people in Europe build school, roads and employment. I even hear the government give money to religious bodies.

Pls fact, not fiction

Guyman02:
CAMA is a Taqqiya.
With regards to the new CAMA Law I have seen plenty write-ups from some Christians castigating Pastors who oppose it because of fears that CAMA gives the Registrar of CAC the power to dissolve their church boards and appoint administrators.

I want to believe we are not about to make the same historical mistakes that allowed Islam to conquer many Christian territories who were abandoned because they took a different pathway as Coptics in Egypt or Orthodox in Constantinople (now Turkey) and other countries when Rome did little to help them until Pope Urban started the Crusades but by then the Muslims have already conquered Spain, Jerusalem, Egypt, Arabia and other areas and forcefully converted them to Islam.

Do we take because we feel that some of the Pastors are corrupt and should be tamed we allow a Muslim registrar to take over the management of a church in Zamfara or Enugu as long as is it doesn't affect us directly?
Christians make una no fall for this gradual Taqqiya

Churches are not for profit making, it beholds on the Christian leaders (CAN) to regulate the rots in the Churches unfortunately they cannot because some of the private Church owners seems bigger above the body or greed........
Every businesses/organization/citizens in Nigeria are under the control of the FG and they must obey the government.........
When you keep quiet over evil, you are only allowing that evil to strive.......
The Pastorprenours knows themselves that is why they are all fighting against it.....
I don't think it's about the Church/islamization, it's all for our good........
The church can/should control/regulate the politicians and the citizens for a better society

Nigerians would fight for God and religious leaders but when it's time for them to question thier political leadersand demand accountability they leave the fight to God.
Cama is here to stay.

kurupt1:
Osibanjo put mouth for this issue or be forever known as a fake pastor!

For how many times? What else do you expected of him to say

Guyman02:


Like someone said earlier, why is it difficult to pass the Petroleum Industry bill for several years now and the electoral Act that will fight corruption in those 2 sectors which is more than what we have in religious organisations?
If you are a Christian truly you won't fall for this well packaged Taqqiya

Are you happy with what is currently happening in the body of Christ in Nigeria now? Pastors live lavishly to the glareing improvishment of their members. I always use my pastor as an example, he is always blessed by people who he mentored in prayers and who are moving high in every aspect of life, but he never describes the church as his or an investment. He always let's everybody know that the church belongs to God. His humility is infective, I have never ever in my life seen a man that humble. Whatever comes to him, he shares with the less preveiladged, he only takes that sufficient for his family the rest goes to charity. Now that's the outlook of a true man of God, even the Bible says that "by their fruits you shall know them". Why and how did Islam take over Turkey? It was because of the corruption in the church, Nigerian churches are currently doing way worst than what the Turkish churches did. It's by the Grace of God that we are not yet consumed. If this view of seeing a church as a business venture continues, the fate of Turkey and Rome under Emperor Nero, will be child's play to the persecution will be facing as the body of Christ.



BTW, I googled the meaning of the word Taqiyya and it meant "the practice of denying one's religion, permissible when one is faced with persecution, especially by Sunnites: regarded as a means of protecting the religion." So the meaning you are trying to convey here is not context to the point you are making.

Guyman02:

Why is it hard to pass the Petroleum Industry bill and the electoral Act for several years, this year N604b has been spent on maintaining non functional refineries, na Pastors and churches be your problem Abi?

That is why we should support the government.....the people in the government or are responsible are the same people like us, they all know what is right but they choose to steal because they have support from ignorant Nigerians.......
When everything is put in place, things will be better....... Nigeria is too rich to be poor/suffering.

What is the scamming community of pastors afraid of?
'The Guilty are Afraid'
James Hardley Chase

Keneeby:


You end up saying nothing

Because you lack comprehension

desiredhome:

Because you lack comprehension

You wrote trashes

CzarChris:
Are you happy with what is currently happening in the body of Christ in Nigeria now? Pastors live lavishly to the glareing improvishment of their members. I always use my pastor as an example, he is always blessed by people who he mentored in prayers and who are moving high in every aspect of life, but he never describes the church as his or an investment. He always let's everybody know that the church belongs to God. His humility is infective, I have never ever in my life seen a man that humble. Whatever comes to him, he shares with the less preveiladged, he only takes that sufficient for his family the rest goes to charity. Now that's the outlook of a true man of God, even the Bible says that "by their fruits you shall know them". Why and how did Islam take over Turkey? It was because of the corruption in the church, Nigerian churches are currently doing way worst than what the Turkish churches did. It's by the Grace of God that we are not yet consumed. If this view of seeing a church as a business venture continues, the fate of Turkey and Rome under Emperor Nero, will be child's play to the persecution will be facing as the body of Christ.



BTW, I googled the meaning of the word Taqiyya and it meant "the practice of denying one's religion, permissible when one is faced with persecution, especially by Sunnites: regarded as a means of protecting the religion." So the meaning you are trying to convey here is not context to the point you are making.

Taqqiya means LIES, deception that is permissible if the aim is to promote Islam.