boay:


I disagree sir. UK used QS while most other Western countries used Cost Engineering. Quantity Surveying originated from the UK. Some countries even call it Construction Economics.

@ the bolded, you can go online and read about BOQ and BEME, no country in the world used the word BEME, it is peculiar to Nigeria. It was coined by Nigerian Engineers trying to usurp the place of QS in Civil and Heavy Engineering projects.

Whether building, civil or heavy engineering works, it is Bills of Quantities. The matter was debated at the National Assembly some years ago.

BOQ= Bills of Quantities
BEME= Bills of Engineering Measurement and Evaluation

BOQ is the only recognized document for its purpose in all countries of the world. Efforts are underway to rid Nigeria of BEME.

I disagree too.

North America use Building, Cost or Construction Estimator, specifically not the term Engineer or Engineering (see first screen shot for reasons) for job duties exactly as that of a QS.

Look at the professional organizations;
UK: Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors
US: American Society of Professional Estimators
Nigeria: Nigeria Institute of Quantity Surveyors

QS/Construction Estimator is not an engineering degree.

Cost Engineering also known as Project control engineering on the other hand is an Engineering degree and its duties is not just providing a cost estimate but also determining profitability or usefulness of the investment and the comparative options hence the Evaluation in the BEME. The evaluation is what differenciates a BOQ to a BEME.

I first heard BEME in class, a civil engineering class and answered test and exam questions on it. Something that is part of the curriculum could not have been coined in Nigeria by Nigerian engineers or my lecturer for the benefit of Nigerian engineers.

This is not a contest bro.

I am aware of the role of a QS and I am aware of my limits as regards your professional roles. Some of these roles of a QS cannot be done by even a Cost Engineer that bears so much resemblance to QS. For example, Contract Management, Contract Laws, contract bids and tenders etc, these duties are not done by even cost engineers.

You really need to calm down and look your profession over, donot limit yourself to quantities and cost, there are no duplication of roles when it comes to the difference between Cost Engineering and Quantity surveying. This rivalry you seem to have developed has no basis simply because you just feel threatened by a similar but otherwise very different profession that you don't seem to understand.

DaBogu:
Are you in Lagos? If yes, I had like us to pay a visit to the property if you don't mind and if should be sold, how much do you think it should go for?

I'm not in Lagos. I am not a valuer by profession, so can't value the property meaningfully.

However, you know the property. From what I can see, the property is on a solid typical African laterite soil. I may be wrong as some contributors see the property as situated in a swamp. Is this true?

I see water but that's just aftermath of rainfall. True? Just stagnant water after rainfall.

If the soil is not a swamp, don't sell out of frustration. If the soil is a swamp, don't panic and sell. It is a bungalow. Any structural issues can be solved easily with bungalows. Single storey buildings like bungalows are no big issues. With a bit of careful planning and DIY research any issue can be solved easily. Don't panic.

If you must sell, start with the value of the land. How much would same size land sell in the area today plus how much would reasonably bring the bungalow to this stage then subtract the " marriage value"

What is "marriage value" ?

For example, if you bought the land for 500k, but it is worth 1million today. The land has gone up by 500k. The "marriage value" is 50% of the gain in value. So to a buyer, the land with the troubled building on it is worth 750k. You give 50% of the gain to buyers as an incentive to buy.

Do same with the building. So if way back then 1 million will bring the building to its present state, but will cost 2 million today, the gain in value is 1 million. Give 50% to buyers as "marriage value", so the building is worth 1.5m to a reasonable buyer.

So 750k + 1.5m = N2, 250,000.

This is the value a reasonable buyer will value the property. This is valuable information on where to fix the sale price and where negotiation should begin.

This is not physical science as people can buy properties out of pure emotions and may be ready to pay more or less. It is just one of numerous methods to do a fire sale.

boay:


Well, I know what I incorporated. I made enquiries from people working with CAC and I was told it is no longer a requirement.

Check your type of business and see if its construction.

I have never seen a ceiling fan installed on pop before. Considering the nature of ceiling fan(little shaking and vibration), I think it will crack the pip with time.

sako28:
Ogas in the house, my electrician is saying he can install ceiling fan on POP using chandelier hook put inside the POP ceiling.
I plan to use a ceiling fan with chandelier lighting effect.

As anyone install ceiling fan on POP before.

QSFemi:
Good evening friend.

Here's my recommendation based on a 1.20metres high Kingpost, given that it's a small building.

0.45mm or 0.55mm gauge long span aluminum, including eaves and fascia covering = 242 square metres.

The roof members are;

A) Wall plate, 75mm x 100mm x 3600mm hardwood (3' x 4' x 12" = 15 pieces.

B) Tie Beam, 50mm x 150mm x 3600mm hardwood (2'x 6' x 12" = 27 pieces

C) Rafter, 50mm x 100mm x 3600mm hardwood (2' x 4' x 12" = 38 pieces

D) Struts, 50mm x 100mm x 3600mm hardwood (2' x 4' x 12" = 17 pieces

E) Purlin, 50mm x 75mm x 3600mm hardwood (2' x 3' x 12" = 69 pieces

F) Noggin, 1200mm centre to centre, 50mm x 50mm x 3600mm hardwood (2' x 2' x 12" = 93 pieces.

You can easily get the price of these items in your location as price of items are currently fluctuating now.

Thanks.

I'm grateful Sir. Deeply.
But is this for a shed roof design or another roof design? I want to be very sure.

n3xt:


Amen! It won’t take 5 years. Just be courageous.

I’m doing my current build for one of my juniors back in the days. When he first approached me, I smiled and told him “Do you have N50m?”

He said “Bros, it’s you I want on the project. I know you’ll guide me.”
We initially planned bungalow but we eventually built a massive duplex.

In less than 2 years, the house is nearing completion and he has also acquired over 14 new plots in choice area in Ibadan.

Be determined and keep hustling.

I can't help but feel encouraged by this too

When you are ready to secure your home, don't forget to call on us. From doors to gates right to burglaries and standing tanks. Get across to us for your iron works and we promise you great value for money with the shortest possible time.

07032fourofur6904 remains the contact

Kimiwa:


I'm grateful Sir. Deeply.
But is this for a shed roof design or another roof design? I want to be very sure.

Shed. The same type of roof in the picture you shared.

n3xt:


Shed. The same type of roof in the picture you shared.

Thanks Sir.

DIY Pier/Pillar Cap & Concrete Sphere Update

I did some trials over the week and they were excellent.

Here are the things used for this project:

- Pier/Pillar Cap Mold (newly fabricated)
- Concrete Sphere Mold (newly fabricated)
- Belle 130l electric mixer
- DIY Concrete Vibrator for small forms using my sander machine. This worked excellently.
- Sand
- Cement
- Granite
- Wire gauze to reinforce the form
- 8mm iron rod


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXrt6ffUXRA
Prolonged mixing increases the temperature of concrete so it’s good to pour the concrete as soon as it’s fine.

Note: It’s important to time construction projects right so that temperatures are not too warm when pouring concrete. We poured the second trial late evening and planned to put shade cloth over it during the day to keep it out of direct sunlight.

Pic 1: Concrete Sphere Mold
Pic 2: First pier/pillar cap trial after 12 hours
Pic 3: Concrete Sphere on pedestal


Right now, we are waiting till next Monday to demold the pier cap and the concrete sphere.
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If this comes out well, next weekend I’ll be working on how to mass produce the project.


If you’re a DIY hobbyist or owner-builder, please consider keeping or having a 110l or 130l electric mixer on your project, it gives you better concrete mix.
I’ve had this one for over 9 years and I’ve never had to repair it. I use it for mortar mix, precast concretes, and other applications during my DIY projects.


So many things are possible as long as you don't know they’re impossible. - Mildred D. Taylor

#BrabusDIY

Chekitaut:
One of the reason you said we... kontinu

My Quote, when she asked in March i gave her 175k buy 60tins get 15tons free.

June price change to This
Granite 3200x30tons=96k
Transportation =120k
Tollgate & Revenue=4k

I bet any reasonable supplier to contest this.

Sand i gave her 70k for 30tons after raft foundation
My price
Sand13tons @33k+7ton @22k=55k(No chines truck carry up to this) but because if i am her terrain i will quickly deliver & leave i charged transpotation 15k making it 70k.

I beg ooo supplier in the house where have i done her wrong ooo. My granpapa no settle for Lagos say make me the grand child come build your house now...

In Lekki what supplier do is if you want 20tons @55k they load 10tons sand @25k road expenses@1500, the rest goes for transport.

If you call for 5trip at onces 1st trip will be 13tons others will be 7.5tons drop it on each other you will see them same size but you are simply ripped off.

Chekitaut:
In Lekki what supplier do is if you want 20tons @55k they load 10tons sand @25k road expenses@1500, the rest goes for transport.

If you call for 5trip at onces 1st trip will be 13tons others will be 7.5tons drop it on each other you will see them same size but you are simply ripped off.

That’s why I will buy another dump truck. I sha cannot come and be paying money to transporter and say I’m building a house and yet getting ripped.

My truck load what I ask it to load for me.

Pic 2 shows what 30 tons of sand look like on my site and the cost to me is almost nothing.

Chekitaut, no pun intended. I’m just been realistic here.

Disclaimer
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Pls don’t go and fight your supplier o. I cannot pay much hence the reason I bought truck to keep my expenses low.
I don’t do paper calculations only, I put whatever I say into work. Instead of buying a site pickup/truck, I’d rather buy a dump truck and save big.

I observed a lot of people read my posts but don’t do what I do and expect the same result.

Kimiwa:


I'm grateful Sir. Deeply.
But is this for a shed roof design or another roof design? I want to be very sure.

Good morning sir..let me handle the roofing part biko

meanwhile check here for the current prices of my woods

https://www.nairaland.com/4103704/get-timber-plank-roofing-cheaper

earthrealm:


could you post a pic of the compactor, is it rated in tons?, or how are compactors rated?

I’m using a C90 Plate Compactor

- 5.5hp Robin Petrol engine
- Weight 125kg

Good for most residential projects (foundation, landscaping small plots etc).

I don’t have closer pic of the compactor but here’s a short video while using it on a project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzcFwqPcLg


Edit:

Just added an online image


#brabusinterlockDIY

diordaves:


I'm not in Lagos. I am not a valuer by profession, so can't value the property meaningfully.

However, you know the property. From what I can see, the property is on a solid typical African laterite soil. I may be wrong as some contributors see the property as situated in a swamp. Is this true?

I see water but that's just aftermath of rainfall. True? Just stagnant water after rainfall.

If the soil is not a swamp, don't sell out of frustration. If the soil is a swamp, don't panic and sell. It is a bungalow. Any structural issues can be solved easily with bungalows. Single storey buildings like bungalows are no big issues. With a bit of careful planning and DIY research any issue can be solved easily. Don't panic.

If you must sell, start with the value of the land. How much would same size land sell in the area today plus how much would reasonably bring the bungalow to this stage then subtract the " marriage value"

What is "marriage value" ?

For example, if you bought the land for 500k, but it is worth 1million today. The land has gone up by 500k. The "marriage value" is 50% of the gain in value. So to a buyer, the land with the troubled building on it is worth 750k. You give 50% of the gain to buyers as an incentive to buy.

Do same with the building. So if way back then 1 million will bring the building to its present state, but will cost 2 million today, the gain in value is 1 million. Give 50% to buyers as "marriage value", so the building is worth 1.5m to a reasonable buyer.

So 750k + 1.5m = N2, 250,000.

This is the value a reasonable buyer will value the property. This is valuable information on where to fix the sale price and where negotiation should begin.

This is not physical science as people can buy properties out of pure emotions and may be ready to pay more or less. It is just one of numerous methods to do a fire sale.

Thank you Sir for your input. I think it's is an African laterite soil. The property is located in Bayeku in Igbogbo area of Ikorodu. Can I have your mail?

Abolarin91:
I have never seen a ceiling fan installed on pop before. Considering the nature of ceiling fan(little shaking and vibration), I think it will crack the pip with time.

I have done it before you just have to attach the hook properly

Good morning.

It's for a monopitch design, flat roof. I see you address it as shed roof but it's actually a monopitch or flat roof.

Kimiwa:


I'm grateful Sir. Deeply.
But is this for a shed roof design or another roof design? I want to be very sure.

Abolarin91:
I have never seen a ceiling fan installed on pop before. Considering the nature of ceiling fan(little shaking and vibration), I think it will crack the pip with time.

I just did one recently. It doesn't have any effect on POP If it's done well. POP doesn't carry ceiling fan. Only the fan hook on decking or on wall pate or roof beam does.

See picture below. Did this on a 25yr old building recently just two weeks ago. See my thread for full project pictures...

Apologies ... it's the norm in Nigeria . Apologies

n3xt:


Smiles. And you think I’m in that class.

Sigh!

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This Nairaland sef



Even when AZUH was saying “Thank you” the other time, I’ve forgotten that I sent him a helper.

For the records, the 5% discount is on his labour, you can go and buy your materials anywhere you like. Also, it’s not mandatory to get in touch with him or give him work o.

QSFemi:
Good morning.

It's for a monopitch design, flat roof. I see you address it as shed roof but it's actually a monopitch or flat roof.

You're a blessing.

www.dioritestructures.com.ng
Some store house

KIDfurniture:
Apologies ... it's the norm in Nigeria . Apologies

Respect sir. I duff my hat for you.

I definitely understand the naija factor and our herd mentality but I still believe that we have some great people in Nigeria.

“Tendering an open apology” is a great virtue of strong men. I respect you for that.

I recently expressed interest in a contract well worth some tens of million. I was doing this on behalf of one of my tradespeople (an illiterate guy) who cannot safely compete with other bidders. The owner of the project asked me if I’m a middle man.

I just smile and told him “I love helping people doing good job but can’t really express themself out there. I just want to throw my weight behind him and nothing more.”
I only helped him to cross the ‘t’s’ and dot the ‘i’s’

In the process, I’ve shown him how to prepare a winning bid, present and every other thing in between.

A lot of people are loosing out on opportunities not because they’re not good/skillful but because they lack what it takes to compete in the real world.

If I have seen farther than others, it is by standing on the shoulder of giants. ~ Isaac Newton

Ur a lie and i cant banter words with u . Simple . At first I thought i was the only one seeing ur perfectionist part of the all knowing world wide granite seller with d right quantity laced with exorbitant price . No granite seller gives good price except u. Ur sharp sand is the highest i hv heard of 30tons for 75k . Oga jeje ooo. I pity those who dont do their due diligence

Chekitaut:
One of the reason you said we... kontinu

My Quote, when she asked in March i gave her 175k buy 60tins get 15tons free.

June price change to This
Granite 3200x30tons=96k
Transportation =120k
Tollgate & Revenue=4k

I bet any reasonable supplier to contest this.

Sand i gave her 70k for 30tons after raft foundation
My price
Sand13tons @33k+7ton @22k=55k(No chines truck carry up to this) but because if i am her terrain i will quickly deliver & leave i charged transpotation 15k making it 70k.

I beg ooo supplier in the house where have i done her wrong ooo. My granpapa no settle for Lagos say make me the grand child come build your house now...

Thanks Oga . Pls any carpenter that can do good job as i will like to get cost and compare with different carpenters before giving out d job .

n3xt:


He’s Lagos based. You can get in touch with him. The only guarantee I can give you is you’ll be proud of the quality of your job.

I’ve seen roofers and I can tell you he’s exceptional. He can also work with your carpenter if you already have one.

No pity party . U didnt do me wrong rather am pointing out d obvious . Stop talking down on every discussion about how others get lesser quantity and being cheated . Face ur location as i bet u cant be everywhere at same time . Ur lagos based and cant give accurate price about any location each passing day and week .

Chekitaut:
One of the reason you said we... kontinu

My Quote, when she asked in March i gave her 175k buy 60tins get 15tons free.

June price change to This
Granite 3200x30tons=96k
Transportation =120k
Tollgate & Revenue=4k

I bet any reasonable supplier to contest this.

Sand i gave her 70k for 30tons after raft foundation
My price
Sand13tons @33k+7ton @22k=55k(No chines truck carry up to this) but because if i am her terrain i will quickly deliver & leave i charged transpotation 15k making it 70k.

I beg ooo supplier in the house where have i done her wrong ooo. My granpapa no settle for Lagos say make me the grand child come build your house now...

Enyinne:
Thanks Oga . Pls any carpenter that can do good job as i will like to get cost and compare with different carpenters before giving out d job .

The same guy can recommend a carpenter.

I love using the same team for my roofing project. It saves lot of headaches and blame game.

“Na carpenter’s responsibility” “Na roofer suppose do am.” If you understand what I mean as owner-builder.

Dennis3D:


I just did one recently. It doesn't have any effect on POP If it's done well. POP doesn't carry ceiling fan. Only the fan hook on decking or on wall pate or roof beam does.

See picture below. Did this on a 25yr old building recently just two weeks ago. See my thread for full project pictures...

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Enyinne:
Thanks Oga . Pls any carpenter that can do good job as i will like to get cost and compare with different carpenters before giving out d job .

you can contact me for carpenter ma I'll give you a professional one from my team to compare and contrast for the best option thanks.

Respect sir.. you're right we shouldnt generalize all the time. I want to know you better... if you dont mind.

n3xt:


Respect sir. I duff my hat for you.

I definitely understand the naija factor and our herd mentality but I still believe that we have some great people in Nigeria.

“Tendering an open apology” is a great virtue of strong men. I respect you for that.

I recently expressed interest in a contract well worth some tens of million. I was doing this on behalf of one of my tradespeople (an illiterate guy) who cannot safely compete with other bidders. The owner of the project asked me if I’m a middle man.

I just smile and told him “I love helping people doing good job but can’t really express themself out there. I just want to throw my weight behind him and nothing more.”
I only helped him to cross the ‘t’s’ and dot the ‘i’s’

In the process, I’ve shown him how to prepare a winning bid, present and every other thing in between.

A lot of people are loosing out on opportunities not because they’re not good/skillful but because they lack what it takes to compete in the real world.

If I have seen farther than others, it is by standing on the shoulder of giants. ~ Isaac Newton

Respect sir.. you're right we shouldnt generalize all the time. I want to know you better... if you dont mind.

n3xt:


Respect sir. I duff my hat for you.

I definitely understand the naija factor and our herd mentality but I still believe that we have some great people in Nigeria.

“Tendering an open apology” is a great virtue of strong men. I respect you for that.

I recently expressed interest in a contract well worth some tens of million. I was doing this on behalf of one of my tradespeople (an illiterate guy) who cannot safely compete with other bidders. The owner of the project asked me if I’m a middle man.

I just smile and told him “I love helping people doing good job but can’t really express themself out there. I just want to throw my weight behind him and nothing more.”
I only helped him to cross the ‘t’s’ and dot the ‘i’s’

In the process, I’ve shown him how to prepare a winning bid, present and every other thing in between.

A lot of people are loosing out on opportunities not because they’re not good/skillful but because they lack what it takes to compete in the real world.

If I have seen farther than others, it is by standing on the shoulder of giants. ~ Isaac Newton