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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by oneeast3: 10:55am On Sep 05, 2020
stonemasonn:
bloody lies, European first contact were people living at the coastline.


So why is it that the oldest colleges established by British in the old eastern region were all in Onitsha?
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by lexy2014: 10:55am On Sep 05, 2020
Afam4eva:

Those name are common specifically with Ijaw people of Rivers and Bayelsa state.

Those names came with colonialism. Some ethnic groups tend to romanticize the colonialist more than others.

Ijaw people don't bear western surnames. It's kalabari people who western surnames

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Nobody: 10:56am On Sep 05, 2020
RedboneSmith:


These names are as a result of very extensive contact with European traders, from the 16th century on. The European traders had a hard time pronouncing the native names of their Ijaw and Efik trade partners. So they either Europreanised their native names or gave them pure European aliases which stuck. Yellowe for instance was Europeanised from Iyala; Horsfall from Osifolo. Henshaw, Ephraim, Duke, Hogan, Cobham, etc all have native Efik equivalents which I don't remember offhand.

This is only answer here so far...

Others were simply clueless. Ranting here and there.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Guide777(m): 10:57am On Sep 05, 2020
When shortsighted slaves are willing to do anything to remain yoked to their masters chain, they will willingly forfeit their birth right, custom and cultural heritages, everything including the future of generations unborn.
It's not just people from Ijaw, and Efik ethnic stock that fell victim etc but it cuts across all part of Nigeria and Africa. Europeans and Arabs couldn't have succeeded in enslaving us through various guises such as Colonialism and Neo Colonialism if Africa have resisted by rejecting their religions, culture and thoughts.
Look at China and India, two nations which fell into foreign influence as Africa but they have made a difference by resistance to assimilate outside culture and religion.. Look how far they have gone.
But look at African nations that their citizens had gave up their language and changed their family names to christianized and islamized names and see where they are now.
The Ancient Igbos said, Nku di N'mba na-"eghere Mba Nri. Meaning: the firewoods available in any village is capable of cooking the food in that village.
Africa should return to her roots and use what it has to get what it want.

Africa should return to its religion, it's economy, its sociology, its technology, its medicine, its Education and in fact all its heritage. That is where the redemption lies.
All what we think Africa gained from all its various invaders such as Europeans and Arabs who stole its resources are the same thing a rat gained by eating the bait on a trap before it clamp on it.
This is my opinion.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Esji80(m): 10:58am On Sep 05, 2020
azmanaty02:

I have a friend from ur place. Her surname is Petgrave grin
Even upon that, her name is also an English name
lols PEtgrave
Maybe u soon hear Longjump Woodgate Drawsoup

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Iamgrey5(m): 10:58am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:



your ancestors never sold slaves, they were never victims of slave trade, they are victims of colonialism, colonialism and slavery are two different things, only few nations in Africa experienced slavery, no country in west Africa experienced slavery.

in the year 2020, white people hate and kill black people.... Do you think that in the year 1600s, 1700s, 1900s they will trade and interact with black people peacefully without hatred, killing and war
@ emboldened

You don't have any idea of what you are talking about sir.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by lekki1444: 10:58am On Sep 05, 2020
RedboneSmith:


These names are as a result of very extensive contact with European traders, from the 16th century on. The European traders had a hard time pronouncing the native names of their Ijaw and Efik trade partners. So they either Europreanised their native names or gave them pure European aliases which stuck. Yellowe for instance was Europeanised from Iyala; Horsfall from Osifolo. Henshaw, Ephraim, Duke, Hogan, Cobham, etc all have native Efik equivalents which I don't remember offhand.

Horsfall - No Authority
Henshaw- The fallen
Ephraim - under affliction
Duke- Person of power
Hogan- the afflicted dead
Cobham - the dead and afflicted

seems these white people gave yall bad names purposely to show that they were oppressing you

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by otipoju(m): 10:59am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:


colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.

Then how come he was able to translate the english bible into yoruba without being one?
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by stonemasonn: 10:59am On Sep 05, 2020
oneeast3:



So why is it that the oldest colleges established by British in the old eastern region were all in Onitsha?
The Portuguese were the earliest explorers and they didn't build schools. The British build schools and they came much later.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by etibaba(m): 10:59am On Sep 05, 2020
fashrola:


Even Warmate, Pollyn, Reginald

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by UniportAgbero: 10:59am On Sep 05, 2020
Exmilitant:
The riverain people of rivers, delta and bayelsa were slaves enroute to the americas in the late seventeenth century they were freed by the british navy in the atlantic and dumped in those locations. The british gave them those names as means of identification. Overtime, a common language was developed among them. Bonny, calabari, engenni, nembe, brass, itsekiri, okrika, ogbia, and the ijaws. Although, some of them are outcast and renegades from igbos. Igbos calls them Olu.


You seriously don't know what you're talking about.

Bonny, Okrika, Kalabari, Nembe, Itshekiri, and Brass long existed in the Niger Delta plains long before the advent of Slave trade and colonialism. nobody settled them anywhere.
It was in areas like Liberia, Sierrealone, and the west Indies that they settled former slaves.
Again, Niger Delta people weren't slaves, rather they facilitated the slave tribe by capturing people from tribes in the hinterland (inner forest areas) like igbo, bendel, etc and selling them off to the Europeans. They were the middle men in the whole slave trading economy.
for reference, read the story of King Jaja....

I rest my case

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by bluefilm: 10:59am On Sep 05, 2020
lielbree:


My ancestors were never victims of slave trade. They were the ones selling sadly... they were products of tgeir time.

The same thing Black Americans will be saying.

Meanwhile their names are Jackson, Michael, John, Peters, and so on and so forth.

Go and ask Cassius Clay why he changed his name.

I know you don't even know who Cassius Clay is... grin

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Exmilitant(m): 11:00am On Sep 05, 2020
iykejackchree:

Outcast and renegades from Igbo,
Oga, stop talking rubbish na, the ijaw people have existed for centuries without any relationship with the Igbos, they don't have anything in common, go and Read the history of king jaja, that was the only time Igbo people had to engage the ijaw people.
maybe you are talking rubbish! Okrikans, kalabari, bonny and some elderly ijaws speaks igbo very fluently how come?
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Junior66(m): 11:00am On Sep 05, 2020
etibaba:
Rivers and Bayelsa state have really funny names and surnames sha. Heineken, lyon, Manager, Suffernomore, Inspector, Advantage, not forgetting the chairman of a political party "Secondus".
Where I served in Taraba also has people bearing more hilarious names. I have seen names like Clever, Honest, Costly, Mechanic, Abstain, Adviser, Tailor, Calculator, Andrawus, Jepson, Artillary, Bethuel, Charisma, Commando, consman, Increase, Nice, Activities etc. I get shocked each time I see these names.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Iamgrey5(m): 11:00am On Sep 05, 2020
oneeast3:



They probably passed through the Niger delta, but they first settled and established in Onitsha where they first built schools and churches.
How can you keep saying this nonsense with confidence?

How can they leave behind their first site of civilization to journey into an unknown place?

These are the oldest schools in Nigeria by the way..

(1) Baptist Academy, Lagos : 1855
(2) CMS Grammar School, Lagos: 1859
(3) Methodist Boys High School, Lagos : 1878
(4) Methodist Girls High School, Lagos : 1879
(5) Hope Waddell Training Institute, Calabar: 1895
(6) Saint Annes School, Ibadan : 1896

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Mozino007(m): 11:00am On Sep 05, 2020
MrOjay1:
I've noticed the for a long time now that many Rivers state indigenes bear westernized surnames like Blankson, Douglas, Perricosta, Souza, Graham, Peterson, McColumbus, etc.

I have seen indigenes of Rivers who bear the above listed surnames alongside other ones too numerous to mention.Was there any kind of foreign culture influx in Rivers State that influenced these surnames?? Or have they just been bearing these kind of surnames right from inception?

I need opinions on this.
When i was in bonny island,i asked one of my friends named Bristowe d same question n answer he gave was dat in d olden days,bonny was used as center of slave trade.The Portugees took many of their forefathers as slave to western part of d world,d lucky ones who received western education was able to locate their origin back to Nigeria n b4 they left their colonial masters hav already gav them names...lik,pepple,halliday,bristow,brown...etc

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Nobody: 11:00am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:


your number 2 is more correct.. if it happened by your number 1 then our indigenous languages will have almost died by now and it would have given them confidence to build cities in those parts of Nigeria like they did in kenya, namibia and south Africa e.t.c.. instead they left us with zero infrastructure, zero city plans, zero universities e.t.c. until 1960 when we began building things on our own only for them to sponsor civil war and coups later.

1. White settlers moved into Kenya, Zimbabwe, South Africa because the climate was conducive enough to them to do so.

Nigeria? We are in the middle of the malarious belt. And the sleeping sickness belt. Diseases that picked off people without immunity ( colonialism was made easier by the introduction of Quinine). Plus it's too hot.(South Africa can be as cold as Europe in winter)

2. Kenya, South Africa,Namibia and Zimbabwe have native languages that still predominate. English of course is in use as it is in Nigeria

3. Colonial rule did leave is with a good rail infrastructure, several new cities (Port Harcourt, Kaduna, and Enugu were built up under colonial rule, they were villages or non existent before colonial rule), cities, ports some power supply , a developed riverine transport sector, and a highway infrastructure. As well as some hospitals , one university( and three more in the pipeline plus several tertiary institutions including what were called colleges of art, science and tech, and three universities in the pipeline)several schools ,etc etc.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by codemaniacs: 11:01am On Sep 05, 2020
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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Born2Breed(f): 11:02am On Sep 05, 2020
MrOjay1:



i have always thought it was the yorubas(the ones living in Lagos) that first came in contact with the Europeans.

And the Europeans also lived long in YorubaLand(Lagos) before permeating other regions.

They stayed long enough in Lagos to establish the first mission school(Badagry and CMS)...so why weren't their surnames influenced?


Nah the Europeans touched most Nigeria coastal States the same time.

Some Lagosians bears Taylor, Savage, Souza and more as surnames.

The Itsekiris too bears Donmigos as surnames.

Same as the Efik/Calabar/River axis.

Only the very proud ones didn't change or corrupt their surnames to sound European.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by johbara: 11:02am On Sep 05, 2020
They just simply have refused to let go of their colonial masters names. there is a particular riverine tribe who evenboast of it as if it's an achievement. Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Exmilitant(m): 11:03am On Sep 05, 2020
UniportAgbero:



You seriously don't know what you're talking about.

Bonny, Okrika, Kalabari, Nembe, Itshekiri, and Brass long existed in the Niger Delta plains long before the advent of Slave trade and colonialism. nobody settled them anywhere.
It was in areas like Liberia, Sierrealone, and the west Indies that they settled former slaves.
Again, Niger Delta people weren't slaves, rather they facilitated the slave tribe by capturing people from tribes in the hinterland (inner forest areas) like igbo, bendel, etc and selling them off to the Europeans. They were the middle men in the whole slave trading economy.
for reference, read the story of King Jaja....

I rest my case
How far back can you trace the history of those people you mentioned? Did you know most of them claims benin ancestry?
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by etibaba(m): 11:03am On Sep 05, 2020
Junior66:

Where I served in Taraba also has people bearing more hilarious names. I have seen names like Clever, Honest, Costly, Mechanic, Abstain, Adviser, Tailor, Calculator, Andrawus, Jepson, Artillary, Bethuel, Charisma, Commando, consman, Increase, Nice, Activities etc. I get shocked each time I see these names.
Oluwa watin dey occur.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by ghettochild(m): 11:03am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:


colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.
U r foolish a lil but.. Yet ajayi Crowther was able to translate Bible to yoruba... And he did come from where again??
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Obdk: 11:04am On Sep 05, 2020
RedboneSmith:


The first people who come in long and sustained contact with white people in most non-European countries always end up bearing the largest burden of cultural erosion from white people.

This is ur opinion and not fact
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by iykejackchree: 11:04am On Sep 05, 2020
oneeast3:



DMGS, CKC and QRS are the oldest colleges in the old eastern region and they were all established by the British. It proves that the British settled more in Onitsha than Rivers state.

For the fact that they didn't establish schools doesn't mean that they didn't settle their.
The Anglican bell here in my community abonima, was sent by the Europeans from London, and my community name and date was well crested on it, it is said to be first bell that came from the Europeans.

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Obierika(m): 11:04am On Sep 05, 2020
EdmundChidera:
You could have said ijaw tribes because Rivers state indigenes mostly use Igbo names.

Yes they use Igbo names yet mist of them can't speak a word of Igbo!

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Nobody: 11:04am On Sep 05, 2020
Allen102:
Is it not your igbo brother odili who bring militants?
Well thankgod u guys accepted the militancy and are now militants..
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by oba4ever: 11:04am On Sep 05, 2020
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What you said about Samuel Ajayi Crowther is totally untrue. Google is our friend. quote author=codemaniacs post=93592390]

colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.[/quote]
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Obdk: 11:05am On Sep 05, 2020
lielbree:
We bear such names because our forefathers traded with the Portuguese and British for centuries.

So why didn't the Europeans change thr names to ijaw name

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Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by DeejaywonDJ1(m): 11:06am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:


he was never Yoruba.
Who's He then if he's not Yoruba?
Re: About The Surnames Of Rivers State Indigenes by Iamgrey5(m): 11:06am On Sep 05, 2020
codemaniacs:

he was never Yoruba.
Samuel Ajayi Is a Yoruba man.
I don't know where you people get your version of history

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