Sermwell:

I had three funny ones in my class.....benson magistrate, Godstime America and nengi senator.

It wouldn't be too awkward for the kids growing up in that region, as the name may just seem normal, but i can bet if they were to grow up in the west (Lagos in particular) they would have suffered in their primary and secondary school days cos na werey full lagos.

JBoss25:
what about festus

Didn't even know about Festus.

codemaniacs:


colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.

U just spoiled everything. How could u say Ajayi is not a Yoruba man?
He was a Yoruba an Egba man from Abeokuta before he started his slavery journey of return to Sieralone n luckily for him he returned back to form Yoruba Alphabet n head missionary church in Nigeria

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Iamgrey5:
You are a terrible lair.

Didn't Bini people kill a Deji of Akure and installed their own stooge until Ibadan chased them out.

Even when Oyo rulled over Baribas and Dahomey, Oyo neither forced them to Speak Yoruba nor force leadership on them.

Regardless, the facts still remains that Oba of Lagos has no Land or strong claim to any land in Lagos. if he tries any nonsense, he would be detroned at in a second.

And Finally Yariiba has no meaning in Hausa or Fulani Language. I challenge you to ask any Fulani or Hausa the meaning of Yariiba in their language

Yes, Deji Arakale was beheaded for this reason: by custom, three traditional years (two calendar years) after coronation, a new Oba sends instrument of confirmation to all rulers under the Oba of Benin.

Deji of Akure was one such rulers under Benin. This was in 1818. The envoy of Benin called Chief Osague was killed by Deji.
Of course Oba of Benin asked for Deji's head and got it.

The story of Oyo or whoever in the matter is mere embellishment.

It did not change the fact that the boundary between Oyo and Benin empires remained at Otun Ekiti in Northern Ekiti until 1897.

People bearing tributes from Akure to Benin in 1914 upon restoration of the monarchy were physically turned back by British authorities. I prefer to argue with dates, not just speculate.

I am at home both in Benin and Eastern Yorubaland. So I know both sides.

Again, it is for silent readers following.

codemaniacs:





white people were against teaching black people how to read and write. do you think they would have taught an African how to read and write..

Every African tribe already knew how to read and write before the europeans came.
every African tribe had and have their own writing scripts and patterns before the europeans came...

I was expecting a factual quote not mere opinions.

shugabasbn:

U just spoiled everything. How could u say Ajayi is not a Yoruba man?
He was a Yoruba an Egba man from Abeokuta before he started his slavery journey of return to Sieralone n luckily for him he returned back to form Yoruba Alphabet n head missionary church in Nigeria

You spoiled everything. Ajayi is from Oyo not egba

MrOjay1:
I've noticed the for a long time now that many Rivers state indigenes bear westernized surnames like Blankson, Douglas, Perricosta, Souza, Graham, Peterson, McColumbus, etc.

I have seen indigenes of Rivers who bear the above listed surnames alongside other ones too numerous to mention.Was there any kind of foreign culture influx in Rivers State that influenced these surnames?? Or have they just been bearing these kind of surnames right from inception?

I need opinions on this.

Well I cant speak for the whole Rivers State, but as a Kalabari guy, the westernised names we bear were gotten from the Portuguese who dwelt and traded with our people.
They even mingled with our women who bore children for them and were given the names of their fathers (the Portuguese) which stuck and eventually was used as their surname.
Not just in names, the Portuguese also influenced a lot about our culture so much that the popular "etibo" dress usually called "senator" was brought by the Portuguese as gift to our chiefs.
Also the hats and the walking sticks too.

MrOjay1:



i have always thought it was the yorubas(the ones living in Lagos) that first came in contact with the Europeans.

And the Europeans also lived long in YorubaLand(Lagos) before permeating other regions.

They stayed long enough in Lagos to establish the first mission school(Badagry and CMS)...so why weren't their surnames influenced?

Names like Williams, Peters, cocker etc are common with yorubas ooooo

Iamgrey5:
They hardly ever submitted, it was live and let's live arrangements which is very common among Yoruba settlements then.

Same thing happened in Port Novo with the Eguns who settled amongst the Yorubas.

They still had their own chiefs and they kept their lands.

So how did live and let live turn out into a monarchy. Or will you allow a foreigner create a kingship in your land and rule some of your people. The last time the tried to even have an Eze Ndigbo in Akure, it was a crisis.

[quote author=Kennydoc post=93595721]

You should understand that the first set of Whites that arrived in Nigeria were only interested in trading especially on slaves. ....


...

Poster above, i am very certain you did not consult an authority or even manage to to carry out a simple research effort b4 putting this information hia. Now for the records, and i will make it simple and be direct.
The first set of white accidentally discovered Badagary enrout the atlantic to the indian ocean (asia) with the pure motive for trade on spices. It was in the this process that they found a new article of interest that they now establihed a trade with the yoruba and this article was coming from the far interlands. And guess what? It was palm oil that was need to make washing soap for their nascent industry. So let be known that it was first of a trade attraction that brought the white. Then it was later duing the 16th centuries that slave trade swept across europe, America and the united kingdom, because
of the need 4 forced labour in their plantations oversea's which later metamorphosed into the infamous trans atlantic slave trade.

Iamgrey5:
Oba of Lagos has no Land of his own in Lagos outside where his palace is situated. Bini didn't actually conquer the Aworis, the Aworis welcome Bini with open hand because of Oba of Bini affinity to Ife.

Same thing happened in Ibeju area of Lagos


By the way, same thing happened to the ishekiris.

Benin actually conquered Lagos, deposed the Olofin and installed a new dynasty

These are eyewitness reports put together by historians

The last one was a letter written by Oba Akitoye...
Does someone who u allowed to peacefully enter ur house begin to dictate how u rule ?

AreaFada2:

Yes Deji Arakale was beheaded for this reason: after three traditional years (two calendar years) after coronation, he sends instrument of confirmation to all ruler under the Oba of Benin. Deji of Akure was one such rulers under Benin. This was in 1818. The envoy of Benin called Osague was killed by Deji.
Of course Oba of Benin asked for Deji's head and got it.
The story of Oyo and others in the matter is mere embellishments
It did not change the fact that the boundary between Oyo n Benin empires remained at Otun Ekiiti in Northern Ekiti until 1897.

People bearing tributes from Akure to Benin in 1914 upon restoration of the monarchy were physically turned back by British authorities.

I am at home both in Benin and Eastern Yorubaland. So I know both sides.

@ emboldened is fake history

It was ibadan that actually liberated Akure and most of Ekiti from you Binis.

doctore212:
I have been thinking of this for a long time now. My babe from Rivers State her surname is Thompson Oloshobee.

I have pleaded with her to change her name because of the ( olosho ) she refused .


And this singular act have been keeping us from our wedding.

Ur girlfriend has two surnames?

is she from two fathers

MrOjay1:



But how come the first mission school in Nigeria was established in Badagry?

Simply because the Ijayw don't have land

Kennydoc:


You should understand that the first set of Whites that arrived in Nigeria were only interested in trading especially on slaves. They had absolutely no interest in the civilization of Nigeria. Western civilization began when the missionaries arrived, and that's why the first schools were established by the missionaries.
The missionaries first arrived Nigeria through Lagos, and their first port of call in the old Eastern Region was Onitsha. This explains why the oldest schools in Nigeria are in Lagos and the oldest in the South East and South South are in Onitsha.

I didn't say the British first arrived Rivers State. I wasn't the one who made that statement. I said the Portuguese first arrived Benin in the 15th century. As at then, Igbo land had not yet had any contact with the Whites.

" You should understand that the first set of Whites that arrived in Nigeria were only interested in trading especially on slaves." Posted above i am very certain you did not consult an authority or even manage to to carry out a simple research effort b4 putting this information hia. Now for the records, and i will make it simple and be direct.
The first set of white accidentally discovered Badagary enrout the atlantic to the indian ocean (asia) with the pure motive for trade on spices. It was in the this process that they found a new article of interest that they now establihed a trade with the yoruba and this article was coming from the far interlands. And guess what? It was palm oil that was need to make washing soap for their nascent industry. So let be known that it was first of a trade attraction that brought the white. Then it was later duing the 16th centuries that slave trade swept across europe, America and the united kingdom, because
of the need 4 forced labour in their plantations oversea's which later metamorphosed into the infamous trans atlantic slave trade.

Etinosa1234:


Benin actually conquered Lagos, deposed the Olofin and installed a new dynasty

These are eyewitness reports put together by historians

The last one was a letter written by Oba Akitoye...
Does someone who u allowed to peacefully enter ur house begin to dictate how u rule ?

I guess you didn't read what you posted?

Didn't you read where it is stated in the Article that the inflitration of Bini in Lagos was finally achieved peaceful after several failed attempts by binis.

Or how come Oba has no major land in Lagos island today?

Daum:



So how did live and let live turn out into a monarchy. Or will you allow a foreigner create a kingship in your land and rule some of your people. The last time the tried to even have an Eze Ndigbo in Akure, it was a crisis.

They didn't submit to the Monarch just like they didn't submit to the monarch in Port novo. They only submitted to their chiefs.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened is fake history

It was ibadan that actually liberated Akure and most of Ekiti from you Binis.

Lol.
The only footnote relevance of the new kid on the block, Ibadan, is helping Oyo fight off Jihadists of Dan Fodio.

Though not before Afonja had done enough Yaribaristic damage.

etibaba:
Rivers and Bayelsa state have really funny names and surnames sha. Heineken, lyon, Manager, Suffernomore, Inspector, Advantage, not forgetting the chairman of a political party "Secondus".

swears

etibaba:
Rivers and Bayelsa state have really funny names and surnames sha. Heineken, lyon, Manager, Suffernomore, Inspector, Advantage, not forgetting the chairman of a political party "Secondus".

Government
Governor
Fineboy
Millions


Ijaw names are funny...

The former

Uncleodi:


Between these two names, which one is easier to pronounce?

Okonkwo

Obakponovwe

AreaFada2:

Lol.
The only footnote relevance of the new kid on the block, Ibadan, is helping Oyo fight of Jihadists of Dan Fodio.

Though not before Afonja has don enough Yaribaristic damage.

Ibadan dealt with Fulani in Oshogbo. And ibadan remains one of the very few non Calvary army to defeat the Fulanis just like Egbiras.

And yes Ibadan chased Benin out of Akure and Ekiti but became too harsh on them. Hence, Ekiti formed Ekiti parapo to defend themselves.

RedboneSmith:


Uh... No.

It was the Ijaw.

It was the Ijaw and the first school, mission, hospital was built in Lagos

Pls don't bring your nonsense tribal madness you are trying to filter in here. Remain in the line of discussion we all want to learn how foreign names came on SS name ok, if you have the answer say it or pls quietly dissappear here.

Iamgrey5:
I guess you didn't read what you posted?

Didn't you read where it is stated in the Article that the inflitration of Bini in Lagos was finally achieved peaceful after several failed attempts by binis.

From where u talked abt, read it down

It says that the impression given by Lagos tradition which means the writer was trying to say what the Awori believed.. then the writer goes on to say that according to the traditional history of Benin which was corroborated by an eyewitness Josua Ulsheimer which said that Lagos was a war camp governed by the oba of Benin and it was just a base used to extend control over the area...

Quick question, if it was peaceful infiltration, tell me why Oba Akitoye would have referenced the Benin when he was writing his letter to The British?

And I don't care whether he owned any land there or not... The main issue there is he was a ruler of Lagos

Etinosa1234:


From where u talked abt, read it down

It says that the impression given by Lagos tradition which means the writer was trying to say what the Awori believed.. then the writer goes on to say that according to the traditional history of Benin which was corroborated by an eyewitness Josua Ulsheimer which said that Lagos was a war camp governed by the oba of Benin and it was just a base used to extend control over the area...

Quick question, if it was peaceful infiltration, tell me why Oba Akitoye would have referenced the Benin when he was writing his letter to The British?

No we will not listen to indigenous people of Lagos account of their own history but the historical account of Bini people

Why doesn't your Oba of Bini have any land in Lagos?

Why doesn't Oba of Lagos have any extensive land in Lagos like the likes of Elegushi, Oniru and Onikoyi?

oneeast3:



So why is it that the oldest colleges established by British in the old eastern region were all in Onitsha?

Oga, stop making simple things complex for yourself.
Common sense should tell you that Europeans can't enter Eastern Nigeria without first passing through the coastal areas of the niger delta. Abi are there ship ports in eastern Nigeria?
And it's not like the Europeans would just pass through the niger delta and head straight to igboland without relating first with the niger deltans.
Also for the mission schools in onitsha that u are basing ur flawed argument on, note that
The first Europeans to make contact with the southern part of Nigeria were traders not missionaries. Missionaries came long after slave trade was abolished. Go read up

codemaniacs:


colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.

You are lying sir. The returning slaves were Yorubas who returned back home and they were not brought back to replace the Indigenous population! What happened to the original population if some people were brought in to replace them?

codemaniacs:


colonial mentality and self hate is what caused it.

just like MelesZenawi has said, they threw away their native names.

it has nothing to do with trade, as the br:itish were more interested in wiping off and subjugating the indigenous populations rather than helping them.



for lagos names, the british brought black brazilians and other people of African descent from the American continent to replace the indigenous lagos population. it could be the same with the ijaw, igbos and some people from south south.

even Samuel Ajayi Crowther was not Yoruba, the british just added ajayi to deceive the yorubas in lagos.

Huh? Where did you get your last paragraph from. You are typing in the nonsense ooo

Iamgrey5:
No we will not listen to indigenous people of Lagos account of their own history but the historical account of Bini people

Why doesn't your Oba of Bini have any land in Lagos?

Why doesn't Oba of Lagos have any extensive land in Lagos like the likes of Elegushi, Oniru and Onikoyi?

Lol... Obviously u've run out of steam so quickly

Hope u saw the keyword eyewitness in the excerpt meaning he was present and saw what happened

Lemme use ur analogy here, the British colonised Nigeria... Where are their lands now in Nigeria.. Or
Let me talk abt The Oyo Empire that ruled far west to close to Ghana.... Does the Alaafin of Oyo presently own lands in such region...
U tend to forget that as the British conquest happened.. the defeated kingdoms lost their empires e.g Benin Empire, Fulani Empire, The Dahomey... Should I go on?

Besides, as at the 1800s the British only recognised the oba of Lagos as the major ruler of the land, the rest were considered chiefs ...

Can u tell me abt the history of the elegushi oba ?

trojan84:


Names like Williams, Peters, cocker etc are common with yorubas ooooo

These were mainly returned slaves from Freetown.

oneeast3:
Europeans came to Onitsha and settled down long before settling in the Niger Delta. Europeans established so many premier colleges in Onitsha like DMGS, CKC, QRC etc,, but it didn't make the Onitsha people that started having contacts with Europeans way back in 1500AD to threw away their origin.

Even the oldest missions in the old eastern region comprising of Rivers state were established by the British in Onitsha. It proves another point that they settled more in Onitsha than anywhere in the present day Niger delta, but still yet the people the British met in Onitsha never threw away their origin.

some tribes are faithful