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Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by seyi360(m): 7:25am On Sep 06, 2020 |
chiommy123: The word "holiness" is probably strange to them Heb12:14 "Follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord" The careless ,lazy and sin-filled brand of Christianity is what their itching ears long to hear from their end time false teachers. 3 Likes |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by paxonel(m): 7:28am On Sep 06, 2020 |
una don come again ![]() |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by paxonel(m): 7:32am On Sep 06, 2020 |
NobleSeed:people like you don't read between lines to understand the context, you just conclude from your emotions |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by seyi360(m): 7:40am On Sep 06, 2020 |
paxonel: Can you please do us the honor of presenting the textual exegesis. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 7:40am On Sep 06, 2020 |
chiommy123: YES, because that's the meaning of the word saved. However, the person that keeps sinning, which we will always do because we are all sinners, such a person will will keep getting chastised by God. Hebrew 12:6 KJV For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. The reason why we remain saved despite our sins is because Jesus Christ who has paid for the sins is there for us. 1 John 2:1-2 KJV 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And that's exactly what Jesus came to do in the world i.e save us from our sins. Mathew 1:21 KJV And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 7:42am On Sep 06, 2020 |
OKpaewu: This is a big lie. If you are saved and you die fornicating, you will go to heaven. Dying ontop of a woman not your wife is enough punishment for your sins. You won't go to hell because Jesus has paid for your sins to save you from it. Read my previous post. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by seyi360(m): 7:50am On Sep 06, 2020 |
alBHAGDADI: It is rather sad what false teachings have done to you. This is disgusting, erroneous, abominable, unthinkable. And I assume Heb. 12:14 is not in your Bible 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by paxonel(m): 7:53am On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360:what does it mean to backslide? It means going back to continue with the sin one has repented of. That has nothing to do with this scripture you quoted very wrong conclusion! Lot's wife and Sodom and Gomorrah were of the old covenant while salvation of the new covenant, so your argument does not follow. your analogy here though is right in reality but has nothing to do with salvation the question you should ask yourself is, was there salvation at the time Jesus made this statement? The answer is no! Why? Because Jesus has not yet been crucified. So, you are totally wrong! are the many Jesus was talking about here believers(saved people)? The answer is no! Why? Because Jesus has not yet been crucified. So, this statement does not apply to believers of today oga,correct yourself! You are not saved because you do not commit sin, you are saved because of grace |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by paxonel(m): 7:54am On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360:check my response to the op |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 7:55am On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360: I tell you once again, you don't believe in Jesus. Jesus who promised to save us will keep his promise. If we could save ourselves, then he had no need to come and die for us. He knew there was no way for us to make heaven by not sinning. So, he came and paid for the sins. If you say sin can still stop us from making heaven, then what exactly did Jesus pay for? Why did he come? Those who don't believe in him are your kind who make it clear that he didn't do anything and his death is weak to save us. We his believers know that he's strong enough to keep us safe. Let me ask you a question. You can keep the answer in your mind. Is there a man on Earth that is without one single sin? I believe your answer is "yes, there is." But such man doesn't exist according to the Bible which says "for all have sinned". If any man e.g your Daddy G.O should say he has no sin, the Bible says he's a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 1:8 KJV If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Now, since the Bible says we are all sinners, doesn't that mean no one will make heaven? Doesn't it make sense to you why it is good to depend on the redemptive work of Jesus Christ to get you to heaven? Look, you have no Bible verse to back your claims. You are just regurgitating sentiments you have been deceived with. That's why the verses we have out forward, you haven't been able to show if we've quoted them wrongly. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by chukwunweikeemi(m): 7:55am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eternal life is a gift and not a reward.A gift is something you receive for doing nothing and a reward is something you receive for doing something.It is written: For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves.It is the gift of God,not of works lest any man should boast-- Eph 2v8-9. If my good works are needed to keep me saved then I must share glory with christ and eternal life ceases to be a gift.Those who claim to be believers of christ but do not believe in eternal security are not christians though they attend church,read the bible, and do a lot of good works. if they die in that condition they will be the ones to whom christ professed:: I never knew you,depart from me,ye that work iniquity--Matt 7v23b.Happy Sunday. 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by seyi360(m): 8:01am On Sep 06, 2020 |
paxonel: I won't go back and forth on the scriptures I already espoused. Your attempt to twist the truth cannot change the credibility of the truth However, I put the scriptures below to you Hebrews 6:4-6 [4]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. I also know you will attempt to manipulate it, go ahead, give it your best shot 3 Likes |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 8:01am On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360: Yes, the verse you quoted says we should follow holiness. Haven't we shown you were the holiness forms from? It comes from Jesus who takes our sins upon himself and gives us his righteousness 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Acehart: 8:16am On Sep 06, 2020 |
chukwunweikeemi: Go to Crown Reformed Assembly in Ogba. I would have suggested Baptist Churches but unfortunately the Baptist Churches in the South West are horribly steeped in Pentecostalism. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by paxonel(m): 8:22am On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360:no! I understand why you feel I'm manipulating it. It's because I'm presenting these scriptures from the angle that you didn't see it when you were reading it. But let the truth be told, there is time factor about these scriptures that we should not neglect. There was the time Jesus was on earth and was not crucified, there was no salvation then, salvation only started after Jesus was crucified and resurrected that is the truth you can't dispute As for this scripture you quoted : I'm not disputing that a Christian cannot fall away from his faith and looses his salvation. But all I'm saying is, while the Christian remain a Christian without denying Christ he remains saved forever |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 8:32am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Acehart: You are right, Baptist churches in the Southwest is is going deep into Pentecostal falsehood. It makes me sick. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Acehart: 8:54am On Sep 06, 2020 |
alBHAGDADI: I’m surprised this morning: you are here defending the eternal security of the saint; have you forgotten you once wrote about the madness of those who believe in the eternal security of the saints. You are growing into maturity now. Praise God. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by alBHAGDADI: 8:58am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Acehart: That would be three years ago, before I got saved. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by chukwunweikeemi(m): 9:14am On Sep 06, 2020 |
@Acehart,thanks for your response.I just called the church now and I asked them if they have any branch close to Mile2/Ajeguunle and they said no.I then asked if they can recommend any church around these area and they promised to find out.So I'll call back.Thanks again.Happy Sunday. 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Acehart: 9:16am On Sep 06, 2020 |
chukwunweikeemi: Thanks ![]() |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by OKpaewu(m): 10:04am On Sep 06, 2020 |
[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=93624495] This is a big lie. If you are saved and you die fornicating, you will go to heaven. Dying ontop of a woman not your wife is enough punishment for your sins. You won't go to hell because Jesus has paid for your sins to save you from it. Read my previous post. What are you saying? Can you abide in sin that grace may be sufficient for you. If you are saved and you die on top of a woman not your wife, you will go to heaven. Can you hear yourself, i beg to disagree ooo. This is a doctrine from the very pit of hell 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Emmanuelcann: 1:01pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
chiommy123:The Bible recommends the known steps to salvation in Romans 10:9 - 10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation". Therefore it's only God that can actually know who's saved or not! Whether we claim to be saved or not, it's only verifiable from the heart which only God can see. I may claim to be saved while I'm not! If I'm genuinely saved however it's a done deal, paid for at the cross and nothing to do with my works because God cannot lie! |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Emmanuelcann: 1:03pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Acehart:Definitely not Independent Baptist Churches. I was saved at Independent Baptist Church Festac and they still preach salvation by grace through faith! |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Emmanuelcann: 1:13pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
[quote author=OKpaewu post=93628333][/quote] David in the Bible was saved, his sins are not hidden. So also Abraham, and all the other saints. Denial of the gospel of grace is a claim that you can be righteous enough to enter heaven by yourself, or that Christ did not finish his work on Calvary and needs your assistance to complete it. In fact, it's a failure to comprehend how holy God is! My righteousness is the imputed righteousness of Christ and I will definitely enter heaven with it. We can never achieve sinless perfection on earth but we are sanctified as we continue in God's word. If we sin he chastises us and if we fail to stop he can choose to call us home before our time! |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by delkuf(m): 1:16pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Brachaa:I like what you said. I thought you will join them. you are save for enternity 2 Likes |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by delkuf(m): 1:17pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
seyi360:Someone that is save can never be blasphemous |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Nobody: 1:22pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by delkuf(m): 1:29pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Brachaa:So how are you spending your Sunday |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Nobody: 1:39pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
delkuf: Indoors as usual. No where to go for now due to the partial lock down. So, Ill prolly watch some cartoon movies, cook if I have the strength and take a nap. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by delkuf(m): 1:42pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Brachaa:that is woman stuff. Am out already. going to a friend's place |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by Nobody: 1:43pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
delkuf: Lol... Extrovert I guess... I got no friends. I don't have the strength biko. Enjoy your outing. |
Re: Once Saved Is Not Forever Saved by chiommy123(f): 1:47pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
alBHAGDADI:so we should continue in sin that grace may abound? 1 Like |
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