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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:19am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: The highlighted is where your delusion hides from you! Let me tell you that they can't be UNITED if not for the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:119-20} that's what brought them together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! They studied the same doctrine and agreed on codes of conduct so they had the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10 That's why observers in Antioch could IDENTIFY them easily as morOns or zombies following the rules set by that guy who claimed he is the "Christ". Even if they were abused, insulted, cursed while going from house to house on foot just like their founder, they'll remain calm! Today that Politicians have stolen the GROUP name to struggle for prominence all of you now want to be identified as Christians but Jesus said "by THEIR fruit" {Matthew 7:20} note that use of plural as in many or GROUP not singular. So Jesus wasn't referring to individuals who just claim they're for him but remained in the midst of those who aren't ready to accept the same line of thought {Psalms 1:1} he meant a GROUP that could be IDENTIFIED with their activities anywhere you go like MTN! That's what makes One United Church like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that once you find anyone whether in Europe, Asia, America, Africa or Australia say "I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses" the thoughts ran through your mind that there are conducts, habits, holidays, jobs, social gatherings and festivities such a person is NOT expected to be found. Not because of his geographical location but that unique kind of FAITH that binds them together as One big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23 4 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:30am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Jehovah's witness is one united church why not say one united kingdom hall church no be cursed or borrowed name like Christian 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:40am On Sep 06, 2020 |
achorladey: It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH! Let me tell you the GROUP names his Witnesses have been called in past generations before now! From Abel till Noah were referred to as "worshipers of God", later when Satan and demons began gathering people for false worship Jehovah called Abraham out and led him to another place so his own Witnesses began bearing "Abraham's offsprings", later Abraham's eight sons dispersed and God chose Jacob whom he renamed Israel and his Witnesses began bearing the name "Israelites", later Satan penetrated the land and brought in false gods so only two tribes were left as his Witnesses and they began bearing another name "Jews", when Jesus arrived he declared to an Israelite woman who thought God still count the former Group name "Israelites" as his Witnesses that salvation now belongs to the Jews (the two southern tribes of Israel namely Judah and Benjamin), instantly Jesus revealed to the lady that that group name will soon go again because worshipers of the true God won't be identified by geographical location anymore, so after Jesus' ascension the people in Antioch named them "Christians" (followers of the guy who claims he is the Christ) of course only those who accepted him were referred to by that group name, the Jews who thought they had pure worship have lost it. Today Jehovah has revealed the unique GROUP name he wanted from the beginning till now "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Because he had always wanted a people for his name! Act 15:14 |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:45am On Sep 06, 2020 |
See restlessness! The post wasn't meant for you Sir, so i'll not honour this with a response, let the one whom it was meant for ask for it! achorladey: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:50am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: It's a pity you don't know our God JEHOVAH! Achorladey: leave pity alone and face what is before you which is Jehovah revealed the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS to Rutherford according to Rutherford chapter 19 verse 31 in the year 1931 . Where in the scripture did you see that? After such revelation Jehovah's witnesses who now has the new name that was hidden still refer to themselves as TRUE CHRISTIANS what is TRUE in a CURSED name or a nickname given to them by DIVINE PROVIDENCE. What is true in a borrowed name? Yet Peter and many others including you were told to SUFFER as CHRISTIAN which is the name you called CURSED and borrowed. That account was written by Peter under the influence of ogogoro I guess? Jesus didn't tell him....... no no that name is borrowed and cursed. Why do you refer other Christian denominations as FALSE CHRISTIAN since the name is cursed and a borrowed one |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:52am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: I thought you are the TORMENTER if you like respond, sleep on it or roll eyes on it. Not a problem of mine Let me ask, what have just done? I know its not a response |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban(m): 9:08am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Janosky:I can give you 30 different Bible translations of John 1:1 but you can't give me 15 different translations that supports your New world translation. The one you'll most likely quote will be the one of Johannes Greber( a known Spirit medium). |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:34am On Sep 06, 2020 |
achorladey: I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? Even the dumbest person on earth could easily grasp that when Jesus said "the Holy Spirit will teach you all things and bring back to your memory things i taught you" {John 14:26} True Christians will be directed by God's holy spirit to figure out the remaining secrets hidden in the scriptures! So if you're now hearing it for the first time it's either you meditate on the outcome {Matthew 7:16-18} of what you just heard {Philippians 4:8} or forget it and go on with whatever you wish! For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel" {Isaiah 7:14} rather the young man was given the name "Jesus" by angel Gabriel who appeared to his mother! Go now and challenge Jehovah for dribbling your ancestors (Pharisees) by not giving Christ a name he foretold in the scriptures! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:44am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: I've finished you so now what remains is where it was written in the scriptures that God will reveal a new GROUP name to Rutherford in 1931 shey? : Achorladey: Declaring victory upon nothing I only gave one question with the second one more like a bonus, you cannot use just one scripture to respond Maximus69: or forget it and go on with whatever you wish! Achorladey: See person wey wan torment me Maximus69: For your information, Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis would also challenge Jesus for not bearing the name written in the scriptures that the Messiah will bear which is "Emmanuel"[/b [b]Achorladey: Assumptions and speculations when he told them he is son of God, what did they do to him This discussion has shown how you can equally discredit what your beliefs are In the words of Russell as captured in the image below what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN? And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there? Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16 Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16?
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:56am On Sep 06, 2020 |
achorladey: The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! For your information, Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship, he is NOT the founder of this GROUP! That's why the Organization has improved greatly over the past decades, leaving most of what Russell believe behind! For your information, Russell celebrated Christmas in his own time but today Jehovah's Witnesses globally abhor such Festivities! So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined? John the baptist was the prophet who baptized Jesus, yet Jesus taught many things that John himself didn't know, so leave Russell and focus on what is working out LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses today! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:11am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: The highlighted shows you're just deluding yourself with false reasonings! Achorladey: you cannot answer my question but you call it DELUSION and false reasoning brother Russell reach there before me you brought forth a name JEHOVAH'S WITNESS in order to tanish the name CHRISTIAN by placing the tags such as..... the cursed name, the borrowed name e.t.c You deem it fit to say Russell is not the founder of the organization one of your magazine this year states........MORE than a century ago, Brother C. T. Russell and his associates, a small group of other students of God’s Word, began to meet together. Is he your brother or not. Maximus69: So how do you now bring what he said forward when most of the things he believed has been refined Achorladey: Why do the present leaders of your ORGANIZATION still bring his words forwards since it has been REFINED or discarded Did you refine 1 Peter 4:16 too . Maximus69: Russell only played his part in the restoration of pure worship Achorladey: Oga Maximus69 his part is all I need. There will be nothing like WTBTS had RUSSELL not exist, you agree? What you call earthly part of Jehovah's organization will not EXIST In the words of Russell as captured in the image previous to this what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN? And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there? Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16 You never see anything Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16? Don't tell me REFINEMENT oooooo Rutherford didn't refine 1 Peter 4:16 |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:35am On Sep 06, 2020 |
achorladey: Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! Well it's because he's not our Shepherd Jesus Christ, he's just one out of the cloud of Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} that JEHOVAH used in the restoration of pure worship, so he is surely our brother but the light has gotten much brighter {Proverbs 4:18} than what he knew in his time! Remember that each generation of Jehovah's Witnesses continue to increase in knowledge and wisdom about Jehovah, Jehovah himself said we (Witnesses) will ever continue to learn new things always! Ecclesiastes 3:11 So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 10:48am On Sep 06, 2020 |
achorladey: You've been slacking these days oo, get a grasp of yourself...you don't seems to have content no more Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you! And please, don't reply! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by haddeylium(m): 10:56am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Solid food like this belongs to mature people(Heb 5:14) He still needs lesson on elementary things, so I don't expect him to understand things meant for mature christain I don't think it's profitable going forth with him |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Blabbermouth: 10:59am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Alright. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:03am On Sep 06, 2020 |
haddeylium: Anytime i respond to his post, it's not meant to convince him but to expose his rebelliousness as one of the weeds Jesus' angels are separating from his wheat {Matthew 13:25, 30} he already knows his spiritual status that he doesn't belong to the GROUP having the same line of thought but followers of this thread needs to know why this weed is no more with us {1John 2:19} it's not just because he doesn't want to remain in our midst otherwise he could have forgotten all about JW Organization and continue with his life, but it's Jesus' angels (the reapers) {Matthew 13:39} that's removing him from within the wheat, it's just pathetic that he is unaware of the new development! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 11:07am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:27am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69:Walahi Talahi you've been thoroughly deceived! Achorladey: Leave deceived alone and face what is before you. Maximus69: Note that the Watchtower didn't refer to him as "Pastor Russell" the title he held throughout his life time! Achorladey: where in my post did I use Pastor another DIVERSION. Pastor or no pastor without RUSSELL, there is nothing like WTBTS. Take it to the central bank of Nairaland. You will cash out . Rutherford will be no where to be found in the scheme of things Maximus69: So don't expect us to remain stagnant at anytime because each time we learn something new, the whole flock move at once, that's why someone who leave the Organization last year can't meet up with those who are still moving with Jehovah's Organization! Achorladey: When I bring materials from your magazines including recent ones that touches so many point how you keep chopping and changing you look elsewhere . If you like stagnate your palaver, if you like move, your palaver. You don't really know when you move anyway. Its what they tell you, you do. Remember your boat illustration the other time. It is funny COMPASS and MAP no dey your hand Well all the above is DIVERSION from the main attraction Jehovah's witness and Christian In the words of Russell as captured in the image previous to this what did the first person converted from WEEDS to WHEAT say about the name you should bear? JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or CHRISTIAN? And after selecting your answer, how many times did your answer appear there? Mr Tormenter can you show us what is in 1 Peter 4:16. You never see anything Do you Mr Tormenter follow what is in 1 Peter 4:16? Don't tell me REFINEMENT or DECEIVED oooooo Rutherford didn't refine 1 Peter 4:16 You never respond! Look at this picture below concerning your REFINEMENT and DECEPTION What is Christian doing besides Jehovah's witnesses. Why is Christian on the same line with Jehovah's witnesses. What kind of information are you passing across with such HEADINGS? Are you a Christian congregation or not? Those are your materials from the leaders of your ORGANIZATION till today. Comeback and tell me REFINERY or REFINEMENT or DECEPTION
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:38am On Sep 06, 2020 |
haddeylium: haddeylium: You've been slacking these days oo, Achorladey: How do you measure slackness haddeylium: get a grasp of yourself... Achorladey: Face what is before you, it is still myself you are not the owner of myself. The life I live don't originate from you haddeylium: you don't seems to have content no more Achorladey: and you are responding and don't want me to reply you haddeylium: Like Maximus would say; I'm through with you! Achorladey: Thank you for bringing it to my notice that you have reach your destination haddeylium: And please, don't reply Achorladey: What is good for the goose is good for the gander. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 11:45am On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: Anytime i respond to his post, it's not meant to convince him but to expose his rebelliousness as one of the weeds Jesus' angels are separating from his wheat Achorladey: See same person struggling to grapple with same discussion previously on this thread and another bragging again Maximus69: his spiritual status that he doesn't belong to the GROUP having the same line of thought but followers of this thread needs to know why this weed is no more with us. 1John 2:19 Achorladey: Quote your 1 John 2:19 make we see if they wrote Jehovah's organization there or GROUP Maximus69: but it's Jesus' angels (the reapers) {Matthew 13:39} that's removing him from within the wheat, it's just pathetic that he is unaware of the new development! Achorladey: See Maximus69 the new Jesus angel that knows WHEATS from WEEDS |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:46pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
brocab: Still unanswered, show me a publication where JW teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father...shikena 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 2:48pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: Can you show as where some people's punishment in hell will be worse than others, or are you guys just making these things up as you go. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:01pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
rabzy: Wahala Yaso! Jesus set the standard that will help honest hearted and sincere people reach the father but workers of iniquity {Matthew 7:23} are saying "there is no need for standards, just worship Jesus!" |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 4:47pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eagban: LIAR Bros, if majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Noah and his offsprings won't survive the Great Deluge If majority is Jehovah's yardstick, Lot and his daughters won't survive the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah . Is Matthew 7:13-14, in your Bible? The bone of contention here is how the last words (Greek1510 and Greek 2316) in John1:1 should be translated. In the entire Bible there is only one legitimate way of translating Greek 1510, Greek 2316). There are 3 genuine evidences for sticking to the legitimate way for translating Greek John 1:1c. *1) Greek 1510, 2316 is the same Greek grammatical construct in both places it is found in the holy Bible- Acts 28:6 and John 1:1c. Greek 1510 Greek 2316= was a god. " A god" meaning "godlike, like God, "divine/divine nature/quality A god is divine, of God, like God but not Yahweh EL Shaddai. (Check "Divine" , your Dictionary go help you small . Exodus 7:1 Yahweh made Moses divine. See the Dictionary screenshot) Note: Angel Michael meaning " the Messenger,son of God Who is like God?" *2 Greek John 1:1b= The word (Jesus) was facing towards the God (Yahweh). Trinity mongers, Is Almighty Yahweh facing towards himself? If you are honest, only different spirit beings will face towards each other. *3) The harmonious validation of the New Testament by the Old Testament provided very strong evidences for disclaimer of the dubious but popular version of John 1:1c. Deut 6:4, Yahweh is one God. John 17:3. One True God is the Father of Jesus, according to Jesus. John20:17, Rev3:5,12,21 One True God is our Father/God and the God/Father of Jesus Christ in heaven since time immemorial. According to Jesus. Ephesians 4:6, One God the Father who is over all. 1 Corinthians 3:23 Jesus Christ belongs to God his Father. Every child belongs to his Father . Genesis1:26 = Job38:4-7/Hebrew 1:2. Genesis1:26, Yahweh was talking to his sons in the spirit realm, angels. Jesus is one of them. Trinity is a man made Scam 1 Share
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban(m): 5:23pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Janosky:These are translations of John 1:1 from different Bible societies... ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 JUB https://bible.com/bible/1077/jhn.1.1.JUB In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 GNB https://bible.com/bible/296/jhn.1.1.GNB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; John 1:1 YLT98 https://bible.com/bible/821/jhn.1.1.YLT98 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 ASV https://bible.com/bible/12/jhn.1.1.ASV In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God. John 1:1 CEV https://bible.com/bible/392/jhn.1.1.CEV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Yochanan (Jhn) 1:1 CJB https://bible.com/bible/1275/jhn.1.1.CJB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 NASB https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1.NASB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Yochanan 1:1 WMB https://bible.com/bible/1209/jhn.1.1.WMB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 RSV https://bible.com/bible/2020/jhn.1.1.RSV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 KJV https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.1.KJV. .. And this is your own version of it :- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god(NWT). How come all these Bible societies see God in capital letters and your translation committee didn't see it..? And for your information I do not dislike the Jehovah's witnesses, I only dislike the disregard for the Mighty God(Jesus) Isaiah 9:6.. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:38pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eagban: Empty arguements based on paperworks and on internet with nothing to show for your FAITH is DEAD! James 2:18-26 |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban(m): 6:52pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Just know that Jesus is God (John 1:1). 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 6:55pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eagban:Uncle/Aunty Eagban, if we're to talk about John 1:1—you're going to have to free your mind and leave all forms of sentiment out of this and it should be noted that it's one thing to consider a Bible translation and it's a TOTALLY different thing to consider the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURAL TEXT. Take a look at the picture below. We see two forms of Greek expressions of “God”. The first one “Theon” [God] is preceded by a Greek definite article “ton” which in English corresponds to “the” definite article. This first form is usually and always designated to the Supreme One, the Almighty God alone—Jehovah(Psalm 83:18) The second one however is “Theos” [god] occurs without a definite article indicating that this can be designated to others—unlike “Theon” that's assigned to One Person only—the true God Jehovah. Jesus(The Word/Spokesman of God/firstborn and only begotten Son of God) is the one bearing this “god” title in John 1:1 indicating that he also occupies a high position and is of divine nature but not the same as his Father, Jehovah (John 20:17, 1Corinthians 8:6) It's just like how the men of Israel during the time of the judges wielded power so as to be referred to as “gods”—Please compare Psalm 82:6 with John 10:34-35 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:02pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eagban: Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my own Bible said In the beginning WAS the word (Jesus) and the word (Jesus) WAS with God and the word (Jesus) WAS a god John 1:1 So Jesus WAS God/god, meaning presently he is not God! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban(m): 7:54pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
DappaD: This is how Biblehub.com rendered it... And I am very much satisfied with it.
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:01pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Eagban: Bros, in your screenshots, tell us what was omitted twice in Greek3588 ? Why was it omitted twice? Was it omitted in the Greek manuscript? Bros , compare the Greek lexicon of John 14:1 and John 17:3, is the same Greek spelling for 'the God' @John1:1 applied to the Word (Jesus) @ John 17:3 and John 14:1? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Eagban(m): 8:16pm On Sep 06, 2020 |
Janosky:You just wasting your time arguing. Jesus Christ remains who He is - The MIGHTY GOD (Isaiah 9:6). 2 Likes |
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