Litmus:
JF-17's appear so anachronistic.

stop being grandiloquent

Litmus:
JF-17's appear so anachronistic.

stop being grandiloquent, if want to say it look archaic go to your national assembly and do so

Tobiloba2407:


I think it's a win win for us, and it doesn't put us on unnecessary diplomatic pressure and cost efficient projects, imagine our c130s without the PAF and now the operations upgrade without the jf17.

True!!...it's a constant head scratcher, isn't it?


An economic relationship with India or a defense relationship with Pakistan?
Some would regard us scheming and duplicitous.

I suppose it's up to our diplomatic team to weave our way around this one

Sooner then expected, every country will have to choose the alignment from two groups

Democracies (USA, India, Australia, , Japan, Canada, Germany, Britain, South Korea, France, Israel, New Zealand)
Vs
Axis Dictatorships (North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Russia)

This time being neutral will not be the option.

Any wise person will go towards group one.

lebuhsi:



True!!...it's a constant head scratcher, isn't it?


An economic relationship with India or a defense relationship with Pakistan?
Some would regard us scheming and duplicitous.

I suppose it's up to our diplomatic team to weave our way around this one

I guess not only you may loose your biggest Oil Customer India to Saudi Arabia but also West (US,Canada & Western Europe)will not ignore these things for long.

Double hit may come and that may be devastating.

lebuhsi:


My guess was that it was a poorly taken photo though!

But what do you think about NAF's increasingly close relations with the PAF?

Can you discard his comment him by answering him with Pure Technical Details or Facts?

PrinxArthur1:
stop being grandiloquent, if want to say it look archaic go to your national assembly and do so

Toju200:
integrate the maritime domain awareness facilities of relevant stakeholders, including NIMASA’s C4i, Nigerian Navy’s Falcon Eye, Nigerian Ports Authority’s C3i, and the i247 of the Nigeria Police. #TeamNIMASA #NIMASAPressCentre

Wished we our top military/security brass think like this ?
We would go along way.

The NAF confirmed today that the recently acquired 230 Hectares acquired based in Gombe will be home to the 203 Newly created Command Reconnaissance Group (203 CRG)
They also confirmed as much that This base will serve as the UAV base for incoming Male and Female UAVs
This was confirmed by the AVM in charge of Special Operations Command.

LTGEN:
The NAF confirmed today that the recently acquired 230 Hectares acquired based in Gombe will be home to the 203 Newly created Command Reconnaissance Group (203 CRG)
They also confirmed as much that This base will serve as the UAV base for incoming Male and Female UAVs
This was confirmed by the AVM in charge of Special Operations Command.

The NAF is gradaully expanding.

LTGEN:
The NAF confirmed today that the recently acquired 230 Hectares acquired based in Gombe will be home to the 203 Newly created Command Reconnaissance Group (203 CRG)
They also confirmed as much that This base will serve as the UAV base for incoming Male and Female UAVs
This was confirmed by the AVM in charge of Special Operations Command.

NAF ESTABLISHES NEW BASE IN GOMBE, AS GOVERNOR YAHAYA LAUDS EFFORTS OF CAS IN FIGHT AGAINST INSURGENCY

As part of concerted efforts to emplace structures to more effectively deal with the security challenges in the North East and indeed the entire Country, the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) today, 7 September 2020, flagged off the construction of infrastructure for a newly established Unit, the 203 Combat Reconnaissance Group (203 CRG), in Gombe State. The new Unit, which would serve as the Base for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and other air assets, is expected to bring new capabilities to the spectrum of the NAF’s operations thereby further enhancing the ability of the Service to contain threats to the nation and its citizens.

Speaking during the ground breaking ceremony, which had the Executive Governor of Gombe State, Alhaji Muhammad Inuwa Yahaya, as the Special Guest of Honour (SGOH), the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, stated that the newly established Base which sits on 230 hectares of land donated by the Gombe State Government, is strategically located to enable the NAF more effectively respond to contingencies in the North East. He noted that the establishment of the Unit would add significant value to the operations of the Service in the fight against insurgency and other security challenges in the Country. The CAS stated further that, in line with his Vision for the Service upon assumption of Office in 2015, the NAF organizational structure had been expanded from the erstwhile 4 Commands to 6 with the creation of 2 new Field Commands, one of which is the Special Operations Command (SOC) headquartered in Bauchi, as well as several new units including some Quick Response Groups and Quick Response Wings, to bring security closer to the people of Nigeria. These new units, he said, included those located at Gembu in Taraba State; Gusau in Zamfara State; Owerri in Imo State; Agatu in Benue State Kerang in Plateau State; Ipetu Ijesha in Osun State; Lafia in Nasarawa State as well as Birnin Gwari in Kaduna State, amongst others. Air Marshal Abubakar also noted that, in response to the security imperatives in the North East of the Country, the NAF had particularly expanded its facilities at the Headquarters of the Air Task Force of Operation LAFIYA DOLE in Maiduguri, Borno State as well as at the NAF Base in Yola, Adamawa State, while a Unit had been established in Damaturu, Yobe State. “These new units and expansions, coupled with others carried out across the Country, have undoubtedly enhanced the capacity of the NAF to ensure that Nigeria is secured and our citizens are able to pursue their legitimate aspirations without fear”, he added.

Speaking further, the CAS noted that the establishment of the Base in Gombe was yet another clear testimony of the Federal Government's commitment to overcoming the security challenges in the North East and indeed the entire Country. “The Commander, as well as the first set of personnel to man the Unit, are already posted to Gombe and, in the days and weeks ahead, they will work with the State Government to ensure that the Group is ready to commence active operations in the shortest possible time”, he added

While pledging that the NAF would continue to work assiduously for the security and unity of the Nation, the CAS expressed appreciation to the Commander-in-Chief (C-in-C) of the Armed Forces of Nigeria, President Muhammadu Buhari, for his continued support to the Service towards the achievement of its desired Air Power objectives. He also thanked the National Assembly, especially the Chairman and members of Senate and House Committees on Air Force, for their support the Service. Air Marshal Abubakar also specially appreciated the Gombe State Governor for allocating the 230 Hectares of land to the NAF as well as for the support of the Government and good people of the State towards the actualization of the project. The CAS equally commended the dedication, sacrifices and commitment of NAF personnel while urging them to remain focused and redouble their efforts to ensure that peace is restored to all troubled parts of the Country.

In his remarks, the SGOH, the Executive Governor of Gombe State, while commending the CAS for his excellent record and sterling leadership of the NAF which had resulted in giant strides, expressed great delight at the efforts put in place by the Service to fast-track the establishment of a Base in Gombe State on land that was allocated barely a month ago. The Governor also applauded the quality of Air Marshal Abubakar’s leadership of the NAF as portrayed in the prudent management of scarce resources. He noted that, the NAF had been involved in numerous operations to restore security across the Country with commendable results. He added that the 203 CRG would surely change the dynamics of combating insurgency in the North East and internal security operations in Gombe State. The Governor therefore thanked the C-in-C as well as members of the National Assembly for appropriating and approving the funds for establishment of the Base in Gombe. Governor Yahaya expresses optimism that the take-off of the Base would result in job opportunities for the host communities while further boosting the excellent relationship between the NAF and the Gombe people. He disclosed that the State Government, on its part, would continue to provide necessary support to ensure the smooth operations of the Unit.

Earlier in his welcome address, the Air Officer Commanding (AOC) SOC, Air Vice Marshal Charles Ohwo, while appreciating the CAS for his untiring support which had enabled the Command to keep pace in tackling the various security challenges within its Areas of Responsibility, noted that the 203 CRG Gombe would further enhance the NAF’s ability to meet the demands of the changing security environment while covering some of the capacity gaps in its counter insurgency and anti-banditry operations. According to him, “The actualisation of this Group would ensure that adequate situational awareness is maintained across the various theatres, thereby enhancing our air operations in the fight against insecurity for the overall well-being of the citizens”. The AOC added that the siting of the Group in Gombe would also add to the maintenance of internal security posture in the State, in collaboration with other security agencies, whilst also impacting positively on the host community, through various civil-military relations activities.

Other dignitaries at the ground breaking ceremony were the Gombe State Deputy Governor, Dr Manasa Daniel; Speaker of Gombe State House of Assembly, Honourable Sadiq Ibrahim Kurba, and other members of the State House of Assembly; the Secretary to the Gombe State Government and other top Gombe State functionaries; the Chairman of Gombe State Council of Emirs and Chiefs, Alhaji Dr Abubakar Shehu Abubakar III; as well as Branch Chiefs and Directors from the NAF Headquarters and other senior military officers.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations & Information
Nigerian Air Force
7 September 2020

bidexiii:
#PressRelease #DHQUpdate

OPERATION LAFIYA DOLE: TROOPS NEUTRALISE BOKO HARAM/ISWAP ELEMENTS, RESCUE KIDNAPPED VICTIMS IN GWOZA LOCAL GOVERNMENT AREA OF BORNO STATE




https://defenceinfo.mil.ng/operation-lafiya-dole-troops-neutralise-boko-haramiswap-elements-rescue-kidnapped-victims-in-gwoza-local-government-area-of-borno-state/

More operational photos

Out here wondering how almost every new military installation are situated up north.

BlackBaron:
Out here wondering how almost every new military installation are situated up north.

It's not about the north but the state. Look up Gombe state, and its location on the map, you might observe it is not a strategic location to hold such Reconnaissance assets.

Am not sure, but I think Nasarawa state would have better hosted the new command. The insecurity up north is alarming and the state's proximity to our unfriendly neighbours is another thing.

LTGEN:
The NAF confirmed today that the recently acquired 230 Hectares acquired based in Gombe will be home to the 203 Newly created Command Reconnaissance Group (203 CRG)
They also confirmed as much that This base will serve as the UAV base for incoming Male and Female UAVs
This was confirmed by the AVM in charge of Special Operations Command.

female kwa

rationalhuman:
Can you discard his comment him by answering him with Pure Technical Details or Facts?

Pure Technical Details or Facts for a comment based on looks? Why not help us

You put his comment immediately without thinking, By looks He might be pointing out few Tech specs,
Like By looks you can identify tell few things like below.

(1) It does not have Delta wing design so its Highly Stable (It has less unsuitability during flight) that means its less maneuverable in comparison of any Unstable Delta wing design Fighter

(2)It doenst have Front small Canards

(3) I hope just by looking you can differentiate any Metallica architecture(70s era) vs Modern Composite Fiber.

Just by appearance itself you can tell, There are minimal chance that Such design have High end Tech like Quad Redundant architecture that enable atleast 4 Channel FWR (Full Fly By Wire Control)

And yes this plane still dont have complete FWR (Quad) till now. So in my views he might be pointing out these things.

Odunayaw:
Pure Technical Details or Facts for a comment based on looks? Why not help us

bidexiii:




More operational photos

Although one cannot and should not conclusively judge form picture but... Looking at them walking in a straight line after an operation makes me wonder how they would be able to respond to ambush...the ought to be spread out even for situational awareness..

rationalhuman:
You put his comment immediately without thinking, By looks He might be pointing out few Tech specs,
Like By looks you can identify tell few things like below.

(1) It does not have Delta wing design so its Highly Stable (It has less unsuitability during flight) that means its less maneuverable in comparison of any Unstable Delta wing design Fighter

(2)It doenst have Front small Canards

What does delta wings & canards have to do with the generation of the craft? Are all 4th gen jets with them?

(3) I hope just by looking you can differentiate any Metallica architecture(70s era) vs Modern Composite Fiber.

Take your sight technology to the arts and entertainment industry. Serious ones have mentioned the JFs use of composites.

Start your education here https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/fc-1.htm

Just by appearance itself you can tell, There are minimal chance that Such design have High end Tech like Quad Redundant architecture that enable atleast 4 Channel FWR (Full Fly By Wire Control)

Here is what the designers have to say for the Block 1&2 Composite Flight Control System comprising
conventional controls with stability augmentation in roll and yaw axis and fly by wire in pitch axis.

Quad-redundancy in Fly By Wire System

And yes this plane still dont have complete FWR (Quad) till now. So in my views he might be pointing out these things.

Yours not his.

In all, I'm yet to see what is anachronistic from the looks. And you sir, sound like you have a score against the jet. I hope your times in India isn't affecting you

Odunayaw:
female kwa

Lmao..I was shocked as well..

FieldMarshall06:


Very sure. Even the army got some new toys already delivered that very few peeps are aware of. Those army toys are quite strategic hence men kept quiet.

The NAF had already told us they are expecting UCAV. I just helped complete the info. For the EW & AEW aircrafts, they were long overdue. They are silent orders just like the VT-4 tank.
I opened up cos the aircrafts wouldn't be hidden.

If the aircraft is not delivered to NAF.


I Will Find You.

If they Delta wing doesn't give you High Unsuitability ie Maneuverability then what is the use, If Front Canards doesnt provides you maneuverability in the sky and Stability while Take off then what is the use? Sire, they are for the Very same purpose and yes these things are clearly visible.

Eurofighter Typhoon = Delta Wings + Front Canards ---------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 1
Dassault Rafale = Delta Wings + Front Canards ----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 2
Saab Gripen E = Delta Wings + Front Canards -----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 3

Only if Chinese engineering has reached to a level that German+Italian+Spanish+British were stupid to put these things in Europfighter
French were dumb hence they included these things in Rafael
Swedish were fools so they incorporated these things in Saab Gripen E

And no there is no Official Report that states that As of today JF17 has all axis Flyby Wire in it. (Attach the official link, not the blog) and i will update myself.

And sir, I lived & worked in Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Philippines, France, Sri Lanka and UAE as well, so am i still in hangover of these places? No i dont think so.

I will again say, May be he was trying to say that this Plane looks outdated and he is not wrong, see all above 3 fighters.

JF17 is good enough for our African region where enemies usually dont have Good Aircraft, rest it is 70s era architecture built by Chinese design and Russian engines and assembled in Pakistan. Yes it has few modern things as well but not upto its peers.

And if you say that all above are 4.5G and JF17 is 4G, then you will be validating his point that yes JF17 is lagging years behind the planes we have see these days (again his remark about HOW AIRCRAFT LOOKS). Its clearly validated Limus was right in his comment.

Odunayaw:
What does delta wings & canards have to do with the generation of the craft? Are all 4th gen jets with them?

Take your sight technology to the arts and entertainment industry. Serious ones have mentioned the JFs use of composites.

Start your education here https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/fc-1.htm


Here is what the designers have to say for the Block 1&2 Composite Flight Control System comprising
conventional controls with stability augmentation in roll and yaw axis and fly by wire in pitch axis.

Quad-redundancy in Fly By Wire System

Yours not his.

In all, I'm yet to see what is anachronistic from the looks. And you sir, sound like you have a score against the jet. I hope your times in India isn't affecting you

Yes it is, But many will not agree with you because they may not understand your point.

Litmus:
JF-17's appear so anachronistic.

FieldMarshall06:


We are winning. In the last three weeks, ISWAP has taken more casualties than the NA. Don't let this latest loss put you off.

Also note, some terrorists would also have died in the attack. And as we are getting more MI-35 attack helicopters, there would me enough to go round all military operations.

hmmn you mean more shaitan arbas's(mi-35) let's send them to their virgins, and u think we need to change our focus as we are fighting like the Americans trying to hit the boss but the boss is not even in Nigeria even if shekau dies there will be swift replacement, let's starve them of men, ammunitions and food they will either surrender or eat themselves up

Tobiloba2407:


I think it's a win win for us, and it doesn't put us on unnecessary diplomatic pressure and cost efficient projects, imagine our c130s without the PAF and now the operations upgrade without the jf17.

yes and hopeful we grow to a point of such strong relationships we cooperate on developing modern battle systems and other technical projects free us both from external influence no matter how big and/or small

rationalhuman:
If they Delta wing doesn't give you High Unsuitability ie Maneuverability then what is the use, If Front Canards doesnt provides you maneuverability in the sky and Stability while Take off then what is the use? Sire, they are for the Very same purpose and yes these things are clearly visible.

Eurofighter Typhoon = Delta Wings + Front Canards ---------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 1
Dassault Rafale = Delta Wings + Front Canards ----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 2
Saab Gripen E = Delta Wings + Front Canards -----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 3

Only if Chinese engineering has reached to a level that German+Italian+Spanish+British were stupid to put these things in Europfighter
French were dumb hence they included these things in Rafael
Swedish were fools so they incorporated these things in Saab Gripen E

And no there is no Official Report that states that As of today JF7 has all axis Flyby Wire in it. (Attach the official link, not the blog) and i will update myself.

And sir, I lived & worked in Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Philippines, France, Sri Lanka and UAE as well, so am i still in hangover of these places? No i dont think so.

I will again say, May be he was trying to say that this Plane looks outdated and he is not wrong, see all above 3 fighters.
And if you say that all above are 4.5G and JF17 is 4G, then you will be validating his point that yes JF17 is lagging years behind the planes we have see these days (again his remark about HOW AIRCRAFT LOOKS). Its clearly validated Limus was right in his comment.

Wow! Post more often-there's too much opinion and less real knowledge. Such posts are rare.

youghs:


If the aircraft is not delivered to NAF.


I Will Find You.

Lol, don't find me abeg. I did not borrow money from you

If the aircraft is not delivered, well, life goes on

Odunayaw:
female kwa

thats the result of quota system

rationalhuman:
If they Delta wing doesn't give you High Unsuitability ie Maneuverability then what is the use, If Front Canards doesnt provides you maneuverability in the sky and Stability while Take off then what is the use? Sire, they are for the Very same purpose and yes these things are clearly visible.

Eurofighter Typhoon = Delta Wings + Front Canards ---------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 1
Dassault Rafale = Delta Wings + Front Canards ----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 2
Saab Gripen E = Delta Wings + Front Canards -----------------------Clearly identified by look itself Image 3

Only if Chinese engineering has reached to a level that German+Italian+Spanish+British were stupid to put these things in Europfighter
French were dumb hence they included these things in Rafael
Swedish were fools so they incorporated these things in Saab Gripen E

Mischievously you forget that Aircraft design isn't a one way street. Comfortably left out the F16s, F-18s. The US were stupid right?
I asked you this....

Are all 4th gen jets with them?

And no there is no Official Report that states that As of today JF17 has all axis Flyby Wire in it. (Attach the official link, not the blog) and i will update myself.

I specifically posted on The Quad redundancy which you claimed was non existent.

And sir, I lived & worked in Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Philippines, France, Sri Lanka and UAE as well, so am i still in hangover of these places? No i dont think so.

I will again say, May be he was trying to say that this Plane looks outdated and he is not wrong, see all above 3 fighters.

Foolish talk. Fighters are not all deltas & canards

JF17 is good enough for our African region where enemies usually dont have Good Aircraft, rest it is 70s era architecture built by Chinese design and Russian engines and assembled in Pakistan. Yes it has few modern things as well but not upto its peers.

And if you say that all above are 4.5G and JF17 is 4G, then you will be validating his point that yes JF17 is lagging years behind the planes we have see these days (again his remark about HOW AIRCRAFT LOOKS). Its clearly validated Limus was right in his comment.

The South Korean FA-50 must be lagging behind based on looks too right?

You're incoherent

I find it rather weird that Wing planforms and foreplanes variation are benchmark for modernity. To such simplistic thinking a Saab Draken or Viggen is modern because it features a delta and canards.

Wonders

PrinxArthur1:
thats the result of quota system

Its either this joke isn't complete or you're being mischievous

F16 is not in the league of Typhoon, Rafael and Gripen.

JF17 is not FWR in all axis, Roll & Yaw are still Duplex not quad. attached is the image 1 i am referring wiki.
Also Now i have visted Assembler`s webpage and they have mentioned BUS IS DUPLEX, A complete Quad can not be achieved on Duplex bus. Image 2 from manufacturer itself.
I hope you dont know more then manufacturer itself.


Assembler`s own website, Now there is no question.
https://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17

All these fighters have Delta (various deltas and Front Canards) only a blind can not see them.

Odunayaw:
Mischievously you forget that Aircraft design isn't a one way street. Comfortably left out the F16s, F-18s. The US were stupid right?
I asked you this....


I specifically posted on The Quad redundancy which you claimed was non existent.

Foolish talk. Fighters are not all deltas & canards

The South Korean FA-50 must be lagging behind based on looks too right?

You're incoherent