DappaD:

Maximus69:


So you thought i don't have the holy ghost shey?

DappaD:


@highlighted,
So it's now you agree that Jesus was speaking figuratively? Why then will you say the “lake of fire” is a literal place?
Or are you the one who gets to decide which one is literal and which is figurative?

As you can see, you've been cornered to speak the truth.

Maximus69:


Well you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

Ken4Christ:


It was used figuratively to denote the true hell fire. There are a few other verses that Jesus neither used Gehenna or Hades. He simply described it as furnace of fire in some verses while in others, he calls it everlasting fire. And this is confirmed in the book of Revelation. You had better believe and plan not to go there. Unfortunately, a larger percentage of the world population will go to hell. But you can opt out if you accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Stop being proud and stubborn. You know I am saying the truth. But deep within, you are deliberately ignoring the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Ken4Christ:


It's not my personal opinion but what the Scripture says. Unless you have another interpretation for the verses I quoted.

KNOWMORE56:



If we look into the Word, we'll see that there's hell.

The way it's used some places, it's not the physical grave but the place for departed souls.

Ken4Christ:


It was used figuratively to denote the true hell fire. There are a few other verses that Jesus neither used Gehenna or Hades. He simply described it as furnace of fire in some verses while in others, he calls it everlasting fire. And this is confirmed in the book of Revelation. You had better believe and plan not to go there. Unfortunately, a larger percentage of the world population will go to hell. But you can opt out if you accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Stop being proud and stubborn. You know I am saying the truth. But deep within, you are deliberately ignoring the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Ken4Christ:


1
Adams body returned to the dust but we are not told where his soul went to.

2
You can't use a few Scriptures to refute the fact that hell doesn't exist when there are scores of Scriptures to support it's existence.


*3
Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

So, you had better give your life to Jesus and serve God faithfully before it is too late. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

Ken4Christ said:
"Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell."

Ken4Christ says torture in hellfire is not forever, Lake of fire will take over from hellfire, Bros you are confused

Ken4Christ:


It's my claim that there is sorrow in hell? Please quote your own version or translation of the same verses I made references to. Did I write the Bible? If hell is grave, then there is sorrow in the grave. But we know that lifeless bodies cannot sorrow, so the Scripture couldn't have been referring to the grave.

Translators are humans and they can make mistakes. If the Bible, not I says there is sorrow in hell, can that hell be the same grave we all see?

Ken4Christ:


You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.

Matt13:30,40 "Gather the gates and BURN THEM", did Jesus say the tares are tortured forever in your hellfire?

Jesus says fire burnt the tares.
Let's agree that "the tares" represents "Wicked People burnt by fire, according to Jesus Christ.
Bros, do you mean that Wicked People of Sodom & Gomorrah are still gnashing their teeth now?

Janosky:


Bros Ken, you are not honest.
Jesus NEVER said Gehenna is a place of everlasting torture, why do you FALSELY claim that Mark9:43-45 is talking about hellfire?
Whereas, Bros Ken confirmed that nobody was tortured and tormented forever in Gehenna.

Matt13:30,40 "Gather the gates and BURN THEM", did Jesus say the tares are tortured forever in your hellfire?

Jesus says fire burnt the tares.
Let's agree that "the tares" represents "Wicked People burnt by fire, according to Jesus Christ.
Bros, do you mean that Wicked People of Sodom & Gomorrah are still gnashing their teeth now?

Maximus69:

The understanding has been given to a few! Daniel 12:10

Even if you read the word a million times, you can't make any sense without consulting those to whom the secret has been revealed! Matthew 13:10-15

So keep reading while there's no understanding!

Maximus69:


Question ~ What is SOUL?
Answer ~ a living creature! Genesis 2:7

Question ~ Doesn't anything survives death in a living creature after death?

Answer ~ NO! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

A million dollar question! [b]Where is Adam (the first and foremost sinner) presently?

You'll read for sure but can never understand. Daniel 12:10

Maximus69:


Question ~ What is SOUL?
Answer ~ a living creature! Genesis 2:7

Question ~ Doesn't anything survives death in a living creature after death?

Answer ~ NO! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

A million dollar question! [b]Where is Adam (the first and foremost sinner) presently?

You'll read for sure but can never understand. Daniel 12:10

Janosky:


Bros, who told you Hebrew 7585 in Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17 mean different things?

Who told you that Hebrew 7585 in 1 Samuel2:6 and 2Samuel22:6 mean different things?

Bros, Whatever you interpretation you give to Hebrew 7585in Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,
1 Sam2:6 and 2 Sam22:6, your Bible says David and Job went there to rest


Continue to DECEIVE yourself

Yahweh have spoken:
Ecclesiastes 3:20
"All go to one place: All come from dust, and all return to dust."


Genesis2:7
Then Yahweh formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living soul.


Job 34:15
all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.

Psalm 90:3
You return man to dust and say, "Return, O sons of mortals."


Psalm 103:14
For He knows our frame; He is mindful that we are dust.


Psalm 104:29
When You hide Your face, they panic; when You take away their breath, they die and return to dust.



Ecclesiastes 12:7
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Genesis3:19
In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, [b]till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.[/b

KNOWMORE56:

means MAN BECAME SOUL THAT CAN NOT DIE.The soul is eternal!

2. Yes, human souls continue existence after death.

*. Luke 23:43 "KJV:And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, TODAY SHALT THOU BE WITH ME IN PARADISE."

KNOWMORE56:



Don't worry, the Word will tell which is which.

It's clear from the Word that the human body is dust/ earth/clay...

*. Genesis 2:7 "KJV:And the Lord God FORMED MAN OF THE DUST of the ground, and BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS the breath of life; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

*. Genesis3:19 "KJV:In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and unto DUST SHALT THOU RETURN"

*. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "KJV:Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: AND THE SPIRIT SHALL RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.

Note:

(*1)
FOR DUST THOU ART...DUST SHALT THOU RETURN...AND THE SPIRIT SHALL

RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.


*2
So we can see that man = body + soul +
+ spirit ✓

Which scripture in your Bible says the soul returns to God?
In fact, your (*1) is Scriptural proof that your *2 is man made Fraud.

From Genesis to Revelations ,You have no Scriptures to support your wishy-washy claim of *2.

Janosky:


Bros Ken, you are not honest.
Jesus NEVER said Gehenna is a place of everlasting torture, why do you FALSELY claim that Mark9:43-45 is talking about hellfire?
Whereas, Bros Ken confirmed that nobody was tortured and tormented forever in Gehenna.

Matt13:30,40 "Gather the gates and BURN THEM", did Jesus say the tares are tortured forever in your hellfire?

Jesus says fire burnt the tares.
Let's agree that "the tares" represents "Wicked People burnt by fire, according to Jesus Christ.
Bros, do you mean that Wicked People of Sodom & Gomorrah are still gnashing their teeth now?

Janosky:


1kings2:6, " go to Sheol/the grave in peace.
Read am in any Bible.
Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,Job14:13-14, Job , David and everyone else went there.
Your Bible says Hebrew 7585 is "the grave, hell, Sheol' , NEVER hellfire.
No dey DECEIVE yourself,Bros.
The only mistake is you who FALSELY claim that Hebrew 7585 is hellfire.

Janosky:

1
Bros, is Genesis2:7 and 3:19 in your Bible?

2.
Bros what is the meaning of Hebrew 7585 in your Bible @ Psalms 6:5 and Psalms9:17?

*3
You are very confused, Bros.
Christendom claims that God tortures people forever in hellfire & our Bros ,
Ken4Christ said:
"Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell."

Ken4Christ says torture in hellfire is not forever, Lake of fire will take over from hellfire, Bros you are confused

Ken4Christ:


So, you are saying, it should read, the sorrows of grave or the pains of grave? How does it sound to you? You are contradicting yourself because you believe the dead knows nothing. So, how come they are having sorrows in the grave and pains also? You must believe one. If you say it was wrongly translated hell, that it should be grave. Is there sorrow in the grave?

Maximus69:


The highlighted is where you shoot yourself in the foot!

These are the qualities of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit:-
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GENTLENESS
GOODNESS
FAITH
MILDNESS and
SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23
Please explain how GOD who is the epitome of all these qualities {1John 4:8} fit in to the concept you're propagating "ETERNAL TORMENT"! Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5

Just the first three qualities of God's Holy Spirit is enough to prove that you're a product of delusion! Matthew 7:16-18

DappaD:


Carry this your useless hellfire doctrine comot from my front

Ken4Christ:


You are invariably insulting Jesus because he mentioned it several times. He even rebuked those who refuse to repent and told them they will not escape the damnation of hell. If you don't repent, you will not escape it. Please, give your life to Christ and save yourself from the torment of Hell.

DappaD:


Carry this your useless hellfire doctrine comot from my front

Ken4Christ:


So, you are saying, it should read, the sorrows of grave or the pains of grave? How does it sound to you? You are contradicting yourself because you believe the dead knows nothing. So, how come they are having sorrows in the grave and pains also? You must believe one. If you say it was wrongly translated hell, that it should be grave. Is there sorrow in the grave?

Verdict:
Sheol meaning "the grave" not hellfire.
To call it "hell", is a misnomer.
The Better word is "the grave".
From the Bible's Evidences here, we can all agree that there is no locus standi for Mr Ken to hold on to his long held deception and make FALSE claims contrary to the holy scriptures-

Case closed

Maximus69:


God's word proves that the bolded is a lie, because it's stated that SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4

And @ Luke 23:43 Jesus said

"I promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

First of all, Paradise is going to be here on earth not heaven.

Secondly only Born Again Christians can go to heaven!

Finally Jesus was in the grave for three consecutive days so it couldn't have been that same day that he went to Paradise with the thief!

KNOWMORE56:



My posts is to show from the Word that soul is not = flesh/physical body.