Ken4Christ:


They are not the qualities of the Holy Spirit but the nature of the new man in Christ. We are the ones that bears the fruit. Jesus said he is the vine and we are the branches. Fruits grows on the branches. So that verse talks about the nature or character that is in every child of God who is born again. The translators erroneously used capital letter S suggesting it refers to the Holy Spirit. It is referring to those who are born again. If you are born again, you should have love, joy and peace in you as well as other fruits.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, that's a big lie my friend!

There is no human be it Born Again or anointed that can bear those qualities completely, that's why Paul said it is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit! Galatians 5:22-23

There is just one person who bear that FRUIT in all it's totality, his name is Jesus of Nazareth, that's why a man named Peter could look at him and said "you are the Christ (the model God chose for all mankind to follow) the son of the true God" Matthew 16:16

No other human no matter how Born Again you are can bear that FRUIT in it's totality. WHY? Because we are born sinners, one way or another we will continue to commit blunders showing the flaws in us!

So what Paul was saying is that you will notice all these qualities of the FRUIT in the gathering of God's people, because God's Son is with them! {Matthew 28:20} it's his control that will make the gathering of imperfect humans reflect those qualities, none of them can single-handedly bear that FRUIT in it's entirety!

Maximus69:


God's word proves that the bolded is a lie, because it's stated that SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4

And @ Luke 23:43 Jesus said

"I promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

First of all, Paradise is going to be here on earth not heaven.

Secondly only Born Again Christians can go to heaven!

Finally Jesus was in the grave for three consecutive days so it couldn't have been that same day that he went to Paradise with the thief!

'SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;
separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:.


So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.


Today has no 2nd meaning.

Jesus said "Father, into your hand I commit my spirit"

This means He went to the Father.

KNOWMORE56:

SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'
Death means separation from...
1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;
separation from the earth;
separation of the body from the soul.
2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);
separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:.
So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.
Today has no 2nd meaning.
Jesus said "Father, into your hand I commit my spirit"
This means He went to the Father.

If we're explaining the scriptures you and your cohorts will say JWs are twisting it.
Now see your life, God's word said "SOUL WILL DIE" but instead of you to humble yourself and learn, you're now trying to twist God's word.
Are you saying God doesn't understand what a soul means?

My friend, the Soul means a creature and one of the characteristics of a living thing is DEATH!

Maximus69:


You are a disappointment!

Because you said "souls can't die, souls are immortal"

Now that you can see for yourself that the Bible (God's word) didn't agree with your assertion you want to shift the goal post shey?

My friend, whether you like it or not what God's word said is Adam is dead completely nothing survives after a man dies!

I posted
[/b]
this statement 'AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL' means MAN BECAME SOUL THAT CAN NOT DIE.
The soul is eternal![/b]


You then posted[b]
SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'[b]

I then quoted this your sentence in my reply to your post and explained to you what it means.

The summary of what I'm saying is that

1. Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body);

2. 'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.

KNOWMORE56:

I posted

this statement 'AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL' means MAN BECAME SOUL THAT CAN NOT DIE.
The soul is eternal!
You then posted[b]
SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'
I then quoted this your sentence in my reply to your post and explained to you what it means.
The summary of what I'm saying is that
1. Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body);
2. 'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.
It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.

The highlighted is your own manipulation Sir!

What the scriptures says is clear enough,

The SOUL that sin will die! Ezekiel 18:4

So you can't twist this my friend, God's word is straightforward and clear!

Of course the story of Lazarus and the rich man is not a parable

Maximus69:


The highlighted is your own manipulation Sir!

What the scriptures says is clear enough,

The SOUL that sin will die! Ezekiel 18:4

So you can't twist this my friend, God's word is straightforward and clear!

Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],

Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

KNOWMORE56:


Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],

Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.

Death means separation from...
9
1. Physical death = separation from loved o

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

Does animal have immortal soul too?

Maximus69:


If we're explaining the scriptures you and your cohorts will say JWs are twisting it.
Now see your life, God's word said "SOUL WILL DIE" but instead of you to humble yourself and learn, you're now trying to twist God's word.
Are you saying God doesn't understand what a soul means?

My friend, the Soul means a creature and one of the characteristics of a living thing is DEATH!

I have posted that [/b]
1. Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body);

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN[b] DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

2. 'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.[/b]

*. Genesis 49:6 "KJV:O MY SOUL, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Note:
The speaker in Genesis 49:6 is not referring to the flesh/physical body.

'HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING' is the Biblical definition of die.[b]

haddeylium:



Does animal have immortal soul too?

No, animals don't have immortal souls.

KNOWMORE56:


No, animals don't have immortal souls.

Intelligent
You have to explain why animals souls are not immortal

But, while you're at it
Consider; Ecclesiastes 3:19,20

9for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.[b] As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. so man has no superiority over animals, [/b]for everything is futile.20[b]All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.


Do you understand now or you can explain?

@ Maximus69

Other verses that show[b][/b]Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)[/b]

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL iYs EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of [/color]SOUL and SPIRIT,[color=#990000][b][/b] and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

haddeylium:


Intelligent
You have to explain why animals souls are not immortal

But, while you're at it
Consider; Ecclesiastes 3:19,20

9for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.[b] As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. so man has no superiority over animals, [/b]for everything is futile.20[b]All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.

Do you understand now or you can explain?

Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:

THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,
and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

KNOWMORE56:



Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath(spirit); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:

THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,
and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

If you calm down.... You'll learn

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground[/b], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3



Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

KNOWMORE56:



Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:


THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,

and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [man] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when this impersonal thing(BREATH OF LIFE) enters into the man(made from dust) by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40

KNOWMORE56:



Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

[s]Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],[/s]

Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.


Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

haddeylium:
If you calm down.... You'll learn

You rush to Ecclesiastes he tutor you, you then rush down to Genesis yet you said "If you calm down.... You'll learn"

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground[/b], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3

Wrong comparison!

Like I do say, it's because you people lack comprehensive knowledge of electronics that's why you keep using this failed analogy.

Electronics have three parts:
1. Frame/Housing unit
2. Components which hold the software
3. The software (that energized by electricity)

If you should compare this with human structure!
The Body = Frame
The Soul = Components
The spirit = Software

Let me tell you how the word soul and the whole being of man sometimes interchangeably used as SOUL!

Many graduates today will still look at desktop computer and refer to the whole System as CPU when in reality CPU is just a component in the whole system.

But when you meet the expert in computer science they will tell you, it's different.

Likewise Bible makes it clear that Soul is different from Body.

This verse plainly said it all;1 Thessalonians 5:23 “And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

He provides answer to that, check his post again

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God? When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?

Yes every wicked and good person returned to God at death but God is the one who places them to their final destination.

Just as you hold the doctrine of Jehovah only keeps the MEMORIES of the good people and chooses not to keep the wicked ones.

First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

Yet Apostle Paul can say "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess 5:23

If two impersonal things make up man, why do such prayer from Apostle Paul?

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40

Please where do anyone ever says it was ANGEL that is trapped in human body?

So are you saying SPIRIT IN MAN is earthly product?

Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying to hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

Just as you fit your own thinking into many scriptures like the 1 Thessalonians 5:23 above.

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)

Who denied this?

There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

Many just that you decided to give them your own thinking!

Emusan:


Yes every wicked and good person returned to God at death but God is the one who places them to their final destination.

Just as you hold the doctrine of Jehovah only keeps the MEMORIES of the good people and chooses not to keep the wicked ones.



Yet Apostle Paul can say "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess 5:23

If two impersonal things make up man, why do such prayer from Apostle Paul?



Please where do anyone ever says it was ANGEL that is trapped in human body?

So are you saying SPIRIT IN MAN is earthly product?



Just as you fit your own thinking into many scriptures like the 1 Thessalonians 5:23 above.



Who denied this?



Many just that you decided to give them your own thinking!

Before you hop onto my post and assume you've won some sort of trophy—first ask yourself this question:

“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

Please read 1Thessalonians 5:23 again and answer accordingly.

Let's know whether the apostle Paul was talking about the makeup of humans or if he was talking about something else.

Emusan:


You rush to Ecclesiastes he tutor you, you then rush down to Genesis yet you said "If you calm down.... You'll learn"

Have you learnt anything yourself?



Wrong comparison!

Like I do say, it's because you people lack comprehensive knowledge of electronics that's why you keep using this failed analogy.

Electronics have three parts:
1. Frame/Housing unit
2. Components which hold the software
3. The software (that energized by electricity)

If you should compare this with human structure!
The Body = Frame
The Soul = Components
The spirit = Software

Let me tell you how the word soul and the whole being of man sometimes interchangeably used as SOUL!

Many graduates today will still look at desktop computer and refer to the whole System as CPU when in reality CPU is just a component in the whole system.

But when you meet the expert in computer science they will tell you, it's different.

Likewise Bible makes it clear that Soul is different from Body.

This verse plainly said it all;1 Thessalonians 5:23 “And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”





He provides answer to that, check his post again

You really want to separate body from soul
Goodluck with that


The Bible teaches that the soul(body) is the person itself


Do you understand why the Bible speaks of souls
as being slain—Ezek. 13:19
falling into a pit-Job 33:18
being torn as by a lion-Ps. 7:2
being bought-Lev. 22:11
and being fed with meat-Deut. 12:20.
?
If you calm down you'll learn too


Do you agree with Genesis7:2 that Adam became a living soul from dead soul?
Do you agree that the combination of breath (spirit) and dust made up a living soul as said?
Can the whatever gadget works without electricity (life force/spirit)?
Why is Animal soul that share the same spirit as human mortal?

DappaD:
Before you hop onto my post and assume you've won some sort of trophy—first ask yourself this question:

“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

Please read 1Thessalonians 5:23 again and answer accordingly.

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel

The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

Let's know whether the apostle Paul was talking about the makeup of humans or if he was talking about something else.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.

haddeylium:
You really want to separate body from soul
Goodluck with that

Scripture did not me! As I cited earlier.

The Bible teaches that the soul(body) is the person itself

But Jesus says man can kill the BODY and won't be able to kill the SOUL

You mean Jesus is lying

Do you understand why the Bible speaks of souls
as being slain—Ezek. 13:19
falling into a pit-Job 33:18
being torn as by a lion-Ps. 7:2
being bought-Lev. 22:11
and being fed with meat-Deut. 12:20.
?
If you calm down you'll learn too

Do you understand why Jesus said no man can kill the SOUL?

Have you learnt anything yourself?

Do you agree with Genesis7:2 that Adam became a living soul from dead soul?
Do you agree that the combination of breath (spirit) and dust made up a living soul as said?
Can the whatever gadget works without electricity (life force/spirit)?

Where was DEAD SOUL mentioned in Genesis?

Do you agree that man can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Why is Animal soul that share the same spirit as human mortal?

Where do you read it that animal have a soul?

This is pagan doctrine, why holding such doctrine?

[quote author=Emusan post=93811050]

scriptures did not me! As I cited earlier.



But Jesus says man can kill the BODY and won't be able to kill the SOUL

You mean Jesus is lying



Do you understand why Jesus said no man can kill the SOUL?

Have you learnt anything yourself?




Where was DEAD SOUL mentioned in Genesis?

Do you agree that man can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Why am I not even surprised that you can't provide answers to any of the questions...lol


How does Jesus view soul?
Someone can either save his soul or lose it (mark 8:35-37)

“He that is fond of his soul destroys it, but he that hates his soul in this world will safeguard it for everlasting (John 12:25)

Applying that to Mathew 10:28-
It means a person can kill the body but cannot kill the person at all time if the remains in God's purpose cos' there's hope for resurrection
So for faithful servant of God, their loss of life is temporary, they will regain it(Rev 12:11)

Quick question?
If the soul is immortal, what then is the purpose of resurrection in the lastdays

Don't fret.

where do you read it that animal have a soul?

This is pagan doctrine, why holding such doctrine?

Don't commit this blunder again

Numbers 31:28: “As a tax . . . , you should take from the soldiers who went out into the battle one soul out of every 500, of the people, the herd, the donkeys, and the flock.”

Animals and humans are soul

The question still stands

Emusan:


Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel
The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.
Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.
You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else

Doesn't answer my question.

DappaD:



“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

If you knew you couldn't stand up to defend what you said—then you shouldn't have bothered quoting me in the first place trying to prove a point where there's none. You saw that your claim was disproved—so you thought it necessary to digress—bringing up information that has nothing to do the topic of discussion.

[/b]

haddeylium:




If you calm down.... You'll learn

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that[b][/b]it does not say that man was given a soul[b][/b]but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3
Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

This is the bolded "THEY HAVE ALL ONE BREATH(spirit)"

which word here has the same meaning with soul?

@ the bolded, that's why I'm wondering how you want to take breath = soul.

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), [/color] nothing existed as man[color=#006600]

when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a [/color] dead body, not dead soul[color=#006600]

DappaD:


Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

The word says " the spirit return to God Who gave it"

You are the one adding TO RESIDE.

what I see from the Word is AFTER DEATH IT'S JUDGEMENT.

This JUDGEMENT starts like this:

spirit of the sinners return to God, He rejects them but accepts that of saints.

THE APPOINTMENT OF WHERE EACH SPIRIT THAT RETURNS TO HIM SHOULD BE
IS THE JUDGEMENT WHICH FOLLOWS IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEATH.

DappaD:


Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Note:
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

The soul departed,[/b]the body[b][b][/b]is then regarded as dead.


This departed soul is regarded as dead when Life, Love, God separates it/him from Himself.

Such soul have to spend eternity with the devil whom he served. IT IS CALLED THE 2nd death.

KNOWMORE56:




*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Note:
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

The soul departed,the bodyis then regarded as dead.


This departed soul is regarded as dead when Life, Love, God separates it/him from Himself.

Such soul have to spend eternity with the devil whom he served. IT IS CALLED THE 2nd death.

Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/traits.

Next time check your post well to save people from copying and pasting.

haddeylium:

Why am I not even surprised that you can't provide answers to any of the questions...lol

Where are the questions?

How does Jesus view soul?
Someone can either save his soul or lose it (mark 8:35-37)
“He that is fond of his soul destroys it, but he that hates his soul in this world will safeguard it for everlasting (John 12:25)
Applying that to Mathew 10:28-
It means a person can kill the body but cannot kill the person at all time if the remains in God's purpose cos' there's hope for resurrection

Now changing mouth!
Just listen to yourself "It means a person can kill the body but cannot kill the person at all time..."

Isn't SOUL is actual person according to your doctrine?

Is it only SOUL that makes up a person or with body?

So for faithful servant of God, their loss of life is temporary, they will regain it(Rev 12:11)

Now ONLY BODY = LIFE according to you because many true worshippers of God lost their lives

Yet Christ says people can kill the BODY but cannot kill the SOUL.

Quick question?
If the soul is immortal, what then is the purpose of resurrection in the lastdays
Don't fret.

We are HUMAN BEING, we're not to live forever in SOUL Alone, at resurrection the soul of the faithful will be clothed with flesh again which now incorruptible. That's why Apostle Paul says "we shall PUT ON" we PUT ON clothe on SOMETHING. You can't PUT ON clothes on NOTHING.

Don't commit this blunder again
Numbers 31:28: “As a tax . . . , you should take from the soldiers who went out into the battle one soul out of every 500, of the people, the herd, the donkeys, and the flock.”
Animals and humans are soul
The question still stands

See the person committing blunder yet encouraging me not to do it again.

So animals ARE NOW SOLDIERS, clap for yourself!

Read it from different translations to understand what that verse is saying

NIV
From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep.

NIVUK
From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep.

NKJV
And levy a tribute for the Lord on the men of war who went out to battle: one of every five hundred of the persons, the cattle, the donkeys, and the sheep;

NLV
Then take a tax for the Lord from the men of war who went out to battle. Take one out of 500 of the persons and the cattle and the donkeys and the sheep.

NLT
From the army’s portion, first give the Lord his share of the plunder—one of every 500 of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, and goats.

NRSV
From the share of the warriors who went out to battle, set aside as tribute for the Lord, one item out of every five hundred, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats.

Again the doctrine of animals having soul is of pagan not of the Holy scripture.

DappaD:
Doesn't answer my question.

Quick escape I understand!

If you knew you couldn't stand up to defend what you said—then you shouldn't have bothered quoting me in the first place trying to prove a point where there's none.

Here is my reply to your post again:

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel
The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.

You saw that your claim was disproved

By who?

so you thought it necessary to digress—bringing up information that has nothing to do the topic of discussion.

When you know you can't answer my questions, you resort to straw man.

KNOWMORE56:

Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]
Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],
Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.
Death means separation from...
1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;
separation from the earth;
separation of the body from the soul.
2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);
separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:
So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.Alright?

The SOUL simply means the real character!

When the inspired writers were penning down those words, technology has not advanced to the stage where people can go for plastic surgery to change their BODIES as in appearance!

So when Jesus said God can destroy both BODY and SOUL in the GRAVE {Matthew 10:28} he simply means there is no way to escape the damnation, because God knows each character whether they change their appearance or not, that character (soul will die)! Ezekiel 18:4

That's the import of what you're reading!

KNOWMORE56:


Once you have understood that [b][/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],
[/b]
Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

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are HUMAN BEING, we're not to live forever in SOUL Alone, at resurrection the soul of the faithful will be clothed with flesh again which now incorruptible. That's why Apostle Paul says "we shall PUT ON" we PUT ON clothe on SOMETHING. You can't PUT ON clothes on NOTHING.[

You believe all good people go to heaven right?
What flesh are you clothing them with?...THINK
Do flesh and blood inherit it?
You see how a clown you make yourself


The Hebrew word Nephesh translated to soul means Breathing creature
Gen 2:17- God didn't infuse in him an immortal soul but a life source(breath/spirit) to resurrect the dead soul.
When the breath goes out, what do we have (breathing creature or Not-breathing creature??

Again
“ The soul who sins is the one who will die.”​—Ezekiel]

See the person committing blunder yet encouraging me not to do it again.

So animals ARE NOW SOLDIERS, clap for yourself!

]

Again the doctrine of animals having soul is of pagan not of the Holy scripture.

King James Bible
And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, andand of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

New Heart English Bible
Levy a tribute to the LORD of the men of war who went out to battle: one soul of five hundred; of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys, and of the flocks.

American Standard Version
And levy a tribute unto Jehovah of the men of war that went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the oxen, and of the asses, and of the flocks:

Check the image attached for the original ordernj
You can begin your research on what Ne'phesh (soul) means if you love truth.

While you're at
Know that the doctrine of soul immortality is the teaching of demons (1 Tim 4:1)
It has no support in the Bible, it rooted in pagan custom(Google Plato hypothesis on it)
I showed you numerous verses that says the Soul die: you couldn't mention a single one with immortal soul

God said Adam(breathing creature) will die and return to dust. Satan said he'll not- and it's sad, Satan is using you as a tool to propagate this lie that Man does not die in actuality- they only shed skin like snake


Jesus word
John 8:32- You'll know the truth , and the truth will set you free from the shackles of this superstition

Peace be unto you