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The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 10:11pm On Aug 30, 2020 |
We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff, If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor...... Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is, 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by michresakidjo(m): 10:43pm On Aug 30, 2020 |
Our stars have no fault but ourselves I enjoyed reading European history ,East African history, Songhai, Ghana empire, Mali, Almoravid than one riddled with lies . Reason I remembered last semester how i scored as low as 30 in one of my History courses on Ife and Benin and to a more lesser extent Oyo ....I was devastatingly aggrieved at this as most of the authors of the textbooks I consulted ain't helpful as they too played side where they are expected to be objective , at most neutral. Count me out on Benin And Ife history 2 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 12:41am On Aug 31, 2020 |
We know the history behind the benin-ife myth what baffles me is when educated people in nigeria keep passing myth as fact just for their selfish gains, then you know nigeria is far from changing If i can be completely proved wrong that benin-ife existed i will go back to all my post and delete them,with apologies Am not here for any ethnic gains or ethnic supiority like i always maintained If i see blue i tell it as blue, to keep sincerity i even attack my edo brothers when need be The yorubas should take a rest, on the benin ife myth not in this life would our oba be from ife maybe next life, if you guys so desire, or you all can force him to marry an ife woman then better still ![]() Jokes apart we blacks deserve the government we get, how can you see truth and still deny it for some sentimental purpose, and you expect black men to rule their people with all sincerity 2 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 4:52am On Sep 11, 2020 |
Evidence for your dry jokes or 600 years for you. ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by geosegun(m): 6:57am On Sep 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: Do you have any other things do at all? Aside from Ife vs Benin history? IFE brought about the Benin civilisation and IFE is the progenitor of Benin royal house-FACT. A millions+ of trolls like you can never re write history. Learn to live with this fact young man or go and get a life. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 9:18am On Sep 11, 2020 |
geosegun: Then you have to bring evidence Dating from 1497 to 1897, edo wamnabe mtcheew You think we edos can be lumped under one mythical oduduwa entity for political gains, you must be mad, My threads are coming 4 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 10:08am On Sep 11, 2020 |
cc: geosegun The following c. 1300 A.D. ‘bronze’ figure of the then Ooni of Ife which was excavated from the palace of Benin Kingdom represents one of the hardest evidence of the Ife-Benin connection from very, very early times — early 1300s. (a)i Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead Art historians have observed the regalia of this figure and have found it to be the same regalia of the other ‘bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself. Figure (a)ii shows a larger and clearer view of this same c. 1300 bronze figure excavated from another angle. The following is the comparison criteria based on a detail-by-detail analysis of the royal regalia: (1) The textile covering the lower body. (2) The two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from close to the shoulder down towards the knees. (3) The two or three stack of annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone. (4) The one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces. (5) The many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen. (6) And the most unique and important, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest. (a)ii Another Angle: www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32 Based on the above set-out comparison criteria from (1) to (6), sane folks may now compare and contrast this ‘bronze’ figure excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom with the two ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings shown below which were excavated from Ife itself. Figure (b) and (c) below are two different examples of ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself. (b)www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0 (c) www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee ![]() A detailed comparison of the regalia of figure (a) on one hand in relation to the regalia of figures (b) and (c) on the other hand based on the comparison criteria set out from (1) to (6) reveals clearly that this ‘bronze’ figure recovered from the palace of Benin Kingdom is of none other than the then Ooni of Ife. ![]() . . You may decide to reply this by yapping the distraction of different crowns as usual, while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else but in Ife. The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings. The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9 In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom. The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round. ![]() Cheers! 45 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 10:10am On Sep 11, 2020 |
cc: geosegun In addition to the foregoing: (1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which he often clings to irrationally. ![]() And if he must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then he must make sure to provide his evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia. ![]() (2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which he often clings irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. ![]() ![]() In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible. ![]() (3) Also, if he must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have dEsTrOyEd Owo’s artworks; then he must be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction. ![]() Cheers! 24 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 5:42pm On Sep 11, 2020 |
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Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 5:45pm On Sep 11, 2020 |
TAO11: I need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture, I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information, Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife, Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace So bring evidence to all this to meI need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture, I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information, Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife, Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace So bring evidence to all this to meI need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture, I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information, Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife, Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace So bring evidence to all this to me 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 9:47pm On Sep 11, 2020 |
gregyboy:A scholar informs you of a find and you need the picture to know if there is truly such find — if not the scholar is lying. You have to stop embarrassing your family even if you yourself have no brain. Or do you have a brain? — send me a picture of it if you insist that you do. Otherwise you don’t. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 9:54pm On Sep 11, 2020 |
gregyboy:You keep playing hide and seek hoping that I will ignore you and not refute what I have already refuted elsewhere. I want your embarrassment to be very widespread all over Nairaland so that more and more people will tag you as a joke and dullard. For sane reader, see link: https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 8:47am On Sep 12, 2020 |
TAO11: Do you have boobs send me or else you don't Yoruba Mugu.... |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 8:52am On Sep 12, 2020 |
TAO11: Stop requesting for likes of pity, am not your mate, you quote any scholars as long as the history suits you, i quote scholars with good works with provable evidence, and not any white scholars that would lie just to sell their books their African audiences I will keep flogging that you will be force to tell your children not to marry benins |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 2:15pm On Sep 12, 2020 |
gregyboy: 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 2:15pm On Sep 12, 2020 |
gregyboy:Thanks for joining me in refuting your own dumb argument/request. ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by SaintBeehot(m): 4:27pm On Sep 12, 2020 |
[quote author=TAO11 post=93845417][/quote] are you not tired of his shit. 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by scholes0(m): 4:16am On Sep 13, 2020 |
TAO11 destroys these dudes with hard nut cracking evidence every single time Besides, how come the Binis celebrate Ododuwa festival in Ubinu and not Ekaladerhan festival? Bunch of modern revisionists. ![]() 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by LegendHero(m): 4:52am On Sep 13, 2020 |
Gregyboy don enter wahala again! TAO11 is again on your case. 3 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by bein: 5:05am On Sep 13, 2020 |
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Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 5:19am On Sep 13, 2020 |
scholes0:Lol. Yeah, they actually do celebrate OdUduwa festival. 4 Likes
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Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by scholes0(m): 7:18am On Sep 13, 2020 |
TAO11: These people have to be the biggest history distorters Nigeria will ever see. It is like Hausa people saying the Jihad never happened and their kings aren't Fulanis because the palace titles are in Hausa language 6 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 9:54am On Sep 13, 2020 |
scholes0: Lol TAO11,you again.. Always deceiving your brothers for your selfish reasons Anyway i will school you all Igue festival is a festival that was invented by oba ewaure to mark his powers and his achievements, it used to be celebrated around the middle of the year, the festival later merged with the igue festival which marks the beginning of new Yam festival and it was celebrated around june or August thereabouts Not until recently it was moved to December to mark the end of the year in alignment with Christmas, My benin brothers wannabe, can you point anything that makes it oduduwa festival... Or you lots are just so insecure this days on claiming benin and you failed End of year festival is marked everywhere in the world, it is in all cultures before the arrival of Christmas Yam festival is one festival that is not just unique to nigeria but to west africa as a whole unlike the benins they don't celebrate the end of the year they celebrate the beginning of the year inline with new yam it is called ugiemoro, I wouldn't want to explain beyond this, It has nothing to do with yorubas or oduduwa it even has little with Portuguese than any yoruba influence If you want to claim benin history to uplift the desd yoruba history then come clean while doing it, don't crawl through the shadows, that will not be acceptable be me, The staff in that article , does not even show anything signifying yoruba not to say oduduwa The line between benin history and that of yoruba is so far apart, if we didnt venture into yoruba areas, we wont be having anything in common I doubt if ife even celerate yam festival 2 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 12:51pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:Stop disgracing your poor innocent family all over Nairaland. People here have once seen your picture, and they probably know your innocent family which you’re striving hard to disgrace. 5 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 1:01pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
TAO11: I know you, more than anyone else, you're currently digging and researching to prove me wrong, i want to be proven so take your time, Make sure anything you find, make sure you bring evidence and not just writing articles gomojam DonCandido Amujale macof Sewgon79 lx3as nisai 2fine2fast Aphrygian Olu317 Obalufon geosegun AreaFada2 Etinosa1234 Valirex Ghostwon Davidnazee Prolog Samuk You all should bear me witness as i send her on a research She is still at my mercy.... 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 1:39pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:Stop disgracing your people. You’ve been rendered a nuisance. Name one person from everyone here who doesn’t think you’re a nuisance. Just one. 6 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 2:28pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Your parents 1 Like |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 2:36pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:I’m glad you just admitted publicly that everyone who knows you both online and offline think you’re a filthy dingbat. 5 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by gregyboy(m): 2:39pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
TAO11: TAO11 can i have your nunu to night, d last time we had it, it wasnt sweet lets try it again.... |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by TAO11(f): 2:50pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:Stop disgracing your family for the last time. 5 Likes |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by AreaFada2: 6:08pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:She must be on 'Aimiuwu' TV program kind of quest by now. Just dey give them work to keep dem busy. You are doing well. ![]() |
Re: The Benin- Ife Myth Shouldn't Be Circulated Again Ever Again by AreaFada2: 6:09pm On Sep 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:Oh boy I dey warn you o. Na cross dresser o. Anyway we dey here to hear the tory of Rod wey go dey dangle for there. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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