gregyboy:
We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted

After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits

Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled


The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go
The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff,
If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor......

Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history


Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is,

geosegun:


Do you have any other things do at all? Aside from Ife vs Benin history?

IFE brought about the Benin civilisation and IFE is the progenitor of Benin royal house-FACT. A millions+ of trolls like you can never re write history. Learn to live with this fact young man or go and get a life.

TAO11:
cc: geosegun

In addition to the foregoing:

(1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which he often clings to irrationally.

And if he must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then he must make sure to provide his evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia.

(2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which he often clings irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. — Yet ‘terra-cotta’ is a precursor to ‘bronze’.

In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible.

(3) Also, if he must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have dEsTrOyEd Owo’s artworks; then he must be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction.

Cheers!

TAO11:
cc: geosegun

In addition to the foregoing:

(1) No other sculpture anywhere else in the world shows this same regalia, except of course those of Ife kings — not even Owo which he often clings to irrationally.

And if he must be stupid as always to say otherwise, then he must make sure to provide his evidence of Owo artworks showing this regalia.

(2) This ‘bronze’ figure is dated to the c. early 1300 A.D. while Owo (which he often clings irrationally to) were still doing terra-cotta in the 1400s. — Yet ‘terra-cotta’ is a precursor to ‘bronze’.

In sum, the earliest date for Owo ‘bronzes’ (if they ever had any ‘bronze’ figures) must be in the 1500s at the earliest possible.

(3) Also, if he must lie illogically as always that the Binis may have dEsTrOyEd Owo’s artworks; then he must be prepared to explain with what machines and chemicals they destroyed every single early ‘bronze‘ figures while the terra-cottas escaped such machinery/chemical destruction.

Cheers!

gregyboy:
[s]I need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture,

I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east

You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene

Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them

Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information,

Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true


Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife,
Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article



Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above
And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace

So bring evidence to all this to meI need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture,

I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east

You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene

Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them

Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information,

Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true


Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife,
Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article



Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above
And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace

So bring evidence to all this to meI need pictures of the Maltese cross found on ife sculpture,

I need a dahomey website agreeing to ife as a supreme kingdom fron the east

You fool, ryder was not working with oba eweka11 statement although maybe he did he made use of old documents from benins to have know or determine the location of oghene

Eweka11 statements were said, for political and cultural gains from yorubas which Ryder and Thornton noted, ryder was fully aware of eweka11 statements so definitely he was not confused he consider it too, and it know that the benis were altering their history for reasons known to them

Even if ryder had the evidence on dahomey acknowledging ife as east that wont still chsnge anything because dahomey is not benin, the Portuguese never stood in dahomey when the benins gave them that information,

Anway still i want to see the evidence from dahomey acknowledging it, for my curiosity and for me to determine the degree of your lies and desperation because it wont still alter a thing from ryders work if found to be true


Finding wiskers on ife or owo artwork still wouldn't alter anything the only people in osun that has the cat whiskers are not from ife,
Nevertheless, owo cultures has nothing to do with whiskers in their culture but we have seen some owo Terre cotta sculpture with whiskers same could be said for ife..... This again boils to my fact that this various non cultural features to this sculptures was because the artsains who made and sold the sculptures to ife and owo were not msking them to Refrence the culture of both tribes but to his own taste olowo made it know that art merchants in the Olds sold this sculptures to them and it was not unique to their people unlike the benin, this same purchasing can be associated with ife because of lack of evidence of artesians at ife who made the artworks , and also lack of cultural identities of the sculpture from the ife people, willams also made it known in his article



Again i need to see pictures and articles supoirting ife sculptures dating from 1100 above
And further evidence that shows ife to be older than benin and owo because the last evidence i read was owo palace was the oldest palace amongst all other Yorubas palace

So bring evidence to all this to me[/s]

gregyboy:
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TAO11:
A scholar informs you of a find and you need the picture to know if there is truly such find — if not the scholar is lying.


You have to stop embarrassing your family even if you yourself have no brain.

Or do you have a brain? — send me a picture of it if you insist that you do. Otherwise you don’t.

TAO11:
A scholar informs you of a find and you need the picture to know if there is truly such find — if not the scholar is lying.


You have to stop embarrassing your family even if you yourself have no brain.

Or do you have a brain? — send me a picture of it if you insist that you do. Otherwise you don’t.

gregyboy:

[s]Stop requesting for likes of pity, am not your mate, you quote any scholars as long as the history suits you, i quote scholars with good works with provable evidence, and not any white scholars that would lie just to sell their books their African audiences
I will keep flogging that you will be force to tell your children not to marry benins[/s]

gregyboy:
[s]Do you have boobs send me or else you don't Yoruba Mugu....[/s]

LegendHero:
Gregyboy don enter wahala again!

TAO11 is again on your case.

scholes0:
TAO11 destroys these dudes with hard nut cracking evidence every single time

Besides, how come the Binis celebrate Ododuwa festival in Ubinu and not Ekaladerhan festival?

Bunch of modern revisionists.

TAO11:
Lol.

Yeah, they actually do celebrate OdUduwa festival.

scholes0:


These people have to be the biggest history distorters Nigeria will ever see.
It is like Hausa people saying the Jihad never happened and their kings aren't Fulanis because the palace titles are in Hausa language

gregyboy:
[s]Lol TAO11,you again.. Always deceiving your brothers for your selfish reasons
Anyway i will school you all

Igue festival is a festival that was invented by oba ewaure to mark his powers and his achievements, it used to be celebrated around the middle of the year, the festival later merged with the igue festival which marks the beginning of new Yam festival and it was celebrated around june or August thereabouts

Not until recently it was moved to December to mark the end of the year in alignment with Christmas,

My benin brothers wannabe, can you point anything that makes it oduduwa festival... Or you lots are just so insecure this days on claiming benin and you failed

End of year festival is marked everywhere in the world, it is in all cultures before the arrival of Christmas

Yam festival is one festival that is not just unique to nigeria but to west africa as a whole unlike the benins they don't celebrate the end of the year they celebrate the beginning of the year inline with new yam it is called ugiemoro,

I wouldn't want to explain beyond this,

It has nothing to do with yorubas or oduduwa it even has little with Portuguese than any yoruba influence


If you want to claim benin history to uplift the desd yoruba history then come clean while doing it, don't crawl through the shadows, that will not be acceptable be me,


The staff in that article , does not even show anything signifying yoruba not to say oduduwa

The line between benin history and that of yoruba is so far apart, if we didnt venture into yoruba areas, we wont be having anything in common

I doubt if ife even celerate yam festival[/s]

TAO11:
Stop disgracing your poor innocent family all over Nairaland.

People here have once seen your picture, and they probably know your innocent family which you’re striving hard to disgrace.

gregyboy:
I know you, more than anyone else, you're currently digging and researching to prove me wrong, i want to be proven so take your time,

Make sure anything you find, make sure you bring evidence and not just writing articles

gomojam
DonCandido
Amujale
macof
Sewgon79
lx3as
nisai
2fine2fast
Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee
Prolog
Samuk

You all should bear me witness as i send her on a research

She is still at my mercy....

TAO11:
Stop disgracing your people. You’ve been rendered a nuisance.

Name one person from everyone here who doesn’t think you’re a nuisance. Just one.

gregyboy:
Your parents

TAO11:
I’m glad you just admitted publicly that everyone who knows you both online and offline think you’re a filthy dingbat.

gregyboy:

[s]TAO11 can i have your nunu to night, d last time we had it, it wasnt sweet lets try it again....[/s]

gregyboy:



I know you, more than anyone else, you're currently digging and researching to prove me wrong, i want to be proven so take your time,

Make sure anything you find, make sure you bring evidence and not just writing articles

gomojam
DonCandido
Amujale
macof
Sewgon79
lx3as
nisai
2fine2fast
Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee
Prolog
Samuk

You all should bear me witness as i send her on a research

She is still at my mercy....

gregyboy:


TAO11 can i have your nunu to night, d last time we had it, it wasnt sweet lets try it again....