Lamasta:
Deji Lambo



https://punchng.com/customer-shoots-man-dead-over-shawarma-flees/

in a same society this will have been an easy crime to solve, CCTV and vehicle registration would have been enough. But Nigeria is an insane society.

Odoogu:


okay.
dies this seem like it may be very difficult for "many hospitals" to achieve right?

your honest professional opinion.

Honestly, even in advanced countries, it is meant for tertiary centres. It usually requires a multi disciplinary approach under normal settings. For example, let us assume the spleen is bleeding from gun shot wound, that requires immediate surgery by a surgeon and obviously an anesthesiologist is needed. It may be the lungs that is bleeding, you need a thoracic surgeon immediately. Even if the patient don't need more than chest tubes, you still need to be in a centre that can mobilise resources in a short time in case the bleeding from the lungs is not subsiding or there is persistence of say hemopneumothorax. The immediate condition alone doesn't matter. If the condition of the patient starts deteriorating suddenly, you need to be monitored in a tertiary centre that can immediately mobilise resources. Don't forget also that in Nigeria , we pay at the point of service. So, if the patient requires immediate surgery, ten pints of blood or more, assisted ventilation etc, do you honestly believe the private hospital can quickly afford to call a surgeon, an anesthesiologist at a very high cost and buy ten pints of blood for patients at their own cost assuming the hospital can even quickly mobilise such. If they ask for deposit won't you shout? Don't forget the patient may need a quick ultrasound/CT scan to delineate the site of intra abdominal bleeding for example before moving the patient to theatre meaning you also need a radiologist. Nigerians don't appreciate the complexity of medicine. They equate a big building to a hospital and once the hospital refers them they become aggressive saying you must do something. It is not straightforward.

Openbusiness:
why will hospitals reject an emergency patient?

because they don't have the facilities to handle a gunshot victim

1bunne4lif:
IF IT WERE TO BE IN SANER CLIMES, CCTV WOULD HAVE CAPTURED THE WHOLE FRACAS AND THE SUSPECT BROUGHT TO BOOK. RIP TO THE DEAD

exactly what I was thinking. How can they ever get the person again. I think they say native doctors can do stuff. Why can't native doctors be used to hunt criminals

helpee:
Honestly, even in advanced countries, it is meant for tertiary centres. It usually requires a multi disciplinary approach under normal settings. For example, let us assume the spleen is bleeding from gun shot wound, that requires immediate surgery by a surgeon and obviously an anesthesiologist is needed. It may be the lungs that is bleeding, you need a thoracic surgeon immediately. Even if the patient don't need more than chest tubes, you still need to be in a centre that can mobilise resources in a short time in case the bleeding from the lungs is not subsiding or there is persistence of say hemopneumothorax. The immediate condition alone doesn't matter. If the condition of the patient starts deteriorating suddenly, you need to be monitored in a tertiary centre that can immediately mobilise resources. Don't forget also that in Nigeria , we pay at the point of service. So, if the patient requires immediate surgery, ten pints of blood or more, assisted ventilation etc, do you honestly believe the private hospital can quickly afford to call a surgeon, an anesthesiologist at a very high cost and buy ten pints of blood for patients at their own cost assuming the hospital can even quickly mobilise such. If they ask for deposit won't you shout? Don't forget the patient may need a quick ultrasound/CT scan to delineate the site of intra abdominal bleeding for example before moving the patient to theatre meaning you also need a radiologist. Nigerians don't appreciate the complexity of medicine. They equate a big building to a hospital and once the hospital refers them they become aggressive saying you must do something. It is not straightforward.

in summary, it's not a very easy thing to do, like its kinda complex and not very plain.
isn't there any form of "standard" approval procedures b4 a "building" can be certified a hospital?
And it also shows that many specialist hospitals operate within same stream.

helpee:
Honestly, even in advanced countries, it is meant for tertiary centres. It usually requires a multi disciplinary approach under normal settings. For example, let us assume the spleen is bleeding from gun shot wound, that requires immediate surgery by a surgeon and obviously an anesthesiologist is needed. It may be the lungs that is bleeding, you need a thoracic surgeon immediately. Even if the patient don't need more than chest tubes, you still need to be in a centre that can mobilise resources in a short time in case the bleeding from the lungs is not subsiding or there is persistence of say hemopneumothorax. The immediate condition alone doesn't matter. If the condition of the patient starts deteriorating suddenly, you need to be monitored in a tertiary centre that can immediately mobilise resources. Don't forget also that in Nigeria , we pay at the point of service. So, if the patient requires immediate surgery, ten pints of blood or more, assisted ventilation etc, do you honestly believe the private hospital can quickly afford to call a surgeon, an anesthesiologist at a very high cost and buy ten pints of blood for patients at their own cost assuming the hospital can even quickly mobilise such. If they ask for deposit won't you shout? Don't forget the patient may need a quick ultrasound/CT scan to delineate the site of intra abdominal bleeding for example before moving the patient to theatre meaning you also need a radiologist. Nigerians don't appreciate the complexity of medicine. They equate a big building to a hospital and once the hospital refers them they become aggressive saying you must do something. It is not straightforward.

why aren't there government funding for emergencies. How are these things achieved in the advanced worlds? At what point in Africa's narrative will there be any form of advancement in our procedures. Why do doctors need police report to save lives in 2020

Odoogu:


okay.
dies this seem like it may be very difficult for "many hospitals" to achieve right?

your honest professional opinion.

very difficult!!
most hospitals don't have any of the personnel he listed or those equipment.

Many nigerians cannot afford those services.

The native doctor that did 'first aid' and removed the bullet probably made the bleeding worse.

May the victim rest in peace

tonyson010:
The friend has a hand in this death. Why take him to native doctor for bullet removal After being referred by the General hospital Otta to General hospital Abeokuta ?

I doubt it, He might have died all the same. You can see it was a last ditch attempt to save his life. Since they would have probably rejected him at abeokuta also without a police report. From Lagos to ota to abeokuta , and that sango road na die.

Skyfornia:
70 percent of people in Lagos are mentally unstable including the ones with suit...one need to be very careful in public.

you're right

Odoogu:


in summary, it's not a very easy thing to do, like its kinda complex and not very plain.
isn't there any form of "standard" approval procedures b4 a "building" can be certified a hospital?
And it also shows that many specialist hospitals operate within same stream.

You are very correct. That should be the norm. In Australia for example, call 000 and the ambulance is there. The ambulance operating in that area already knows the closest hospital that can handle it and they would have pre informed them. Meanwhile, the ambulance will come with paramedics prepared with ventilator, drips, blood in the ambulance for onward care on the way to the hospital. REMEMBER THEY DONT NEED TO PAY AND THE DOCTOR IS NOT BEARING ANY COST SO MONEY IS NOT EVEN AN ISSUE. Even at the site of the accident, people would most likely call 000. They won't take the victim to a hospital that will reject them because you can't blame the hospital who can't handle it. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS....BLAME BUHARI

NB... certifying the hospital alone is not enough. Hospitals are in levels all over the world. We have primary centres, secondary centres, tertiary centres. They are all hospitals but operate at different levels. We need good referral systems which can only be facilitated by BUHARI @Kokaine

helpee:
You are very correct. That should be the norm. In Australia for example, call 000 and the ambulance is there. The ambulance operating in that area already knows the closest hospital that can handle it and they would have pre informed them. Meanwhile, the ambulance will come with paramedics prepared with ventilator, drips, blood in the ambulance for onward care on the way to the hospital. REMEMBER THEY DONT NEED TO PAY AND THE DOCTOR IS NOT BEARING ANY COST SO MONEY IS NOT EVEN AN ISSUE. Even at the site of the accident, people would most likely call 000. They won't take the victim to a hospital that will reject them because you can't blame the hospital who can't handle it. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS....BLAME BUHARI

no don't blame Buhari...
he got too much on his plate, many which are leftovers .
shouldn't the profession be clamouring for stipulations and actions for things like this.
cos current tussle has no resemblance with achieving this kinda state

Sailor22:
Nigeria police na really craze oh.
So the friend now na suspect abi

I dey tell you .lol

I laughed...
Them arrest everybody

SATANNIST:
ths is the judgement people give that pisses me off. he did not kill him because of snack.. he killed him because he dared him. i am sure he must have said sht like nothing you go do, no try me , if you try me i go show u who i be, u sabi who u dey talk to, i don waste your type plenty etc etc

but you dumb nigerians will just jumb to a biased and sense conclusion that he killed him because of anack

which one is u dumb Nigerians? I know they weren't dragging for the snack, but d fact is he couldn't control his temper during the argument caused by shawarma. There are things someone will say or do, and wen I want to retaliate, mine could be worse.
If I allow myself to b controlled by the anger I would be blamed at d end of d day. People won't care for the details but, all dey will say is, she killed him just bcuz of ordinary pure water.
It's been like that for a long time, that's why we need to apply diplomacy in every aspect of our lives.
According to u now, he was challenged, and out of pride he dealt with him, he felt no one could dare him and he showed his real self. Condemn evil please, it could be any body. Me I can't even argue too much, I will always say sorry and move on

Denique:
“Immediately the incident happened , his friends rushed him to the Merit Hospital where he was rejected because there was no police report.

"Hospital one" rejected him for unavailability of police report when they could have proceeded with the treatment; then, call the police to come to the hospital and, if need be, handcuff the victim/suspect as the case may be...

He was later referred to the General Hospital, Otta, Ogun State, where he was cleaned up and transferred to the General Hospital in Abeokuta.

"Hospital two"...a government owned hospital also referred him to another government owned hospital after cleaning him up. Apparently the bullet wasn't taken out. I guess at this point, they thought of going traditional as police report will not be required to revive him there...
but they thought ignorantly — their only crime in all this.

They would never have resulted to such if "Hospital one" and perhaps, "two" did the right thing.

But instead of taking him to Abeokuta, they took him to a native doctor to remove the bullet from his body

This was all in a bid to save him.

C'mon, what would you have them do after two rejections over a mere police report. It's inconsequential here, as a life was at stake. Gosh!!!

and returned him to the General Hospital in Otta, but he was rejected.

You see why I said, they were only trying to save him??.??
They felt their only hindrance to a proper treatment was the bullet factor. Perhaps, if they took it out themselves, that would make further treatment less incommodious...

He died on the way to another hospital.”

How many more hospitals were they going to press their lucks before getting treatment??.??

Unfortunately, he died not because of the gun shot...the system killed him!!

This country needs an overhaul!!!

Please do you know who will do the work for the overhaul that you say is needed

the type of CRIMINALITY you find in AMERICA. they don bring am to NIGERIA. SHOOT AND RUN

BigBashiru:


A hospital does not need any police report to treat any patient. This is why I laugh when Nigerians place all their problems at the feet of their leaders and blame only the president.....
Even if a hospital treats a criminal, it's not a crime.

You made laugh hard. That issue of police report is not a joke or fantasy. Most especially when it involves gun wounds. You could do better to read about the issue on Google, then you will understand why it is a national issue that needs to be constitutionally addressed

Kobicove:
This is one of the reasons why we need to have CCTV cameras at strategic points, this would have made it easy to identify and apprehend the culprit

I don't know what is so difficult in installing CCTV in our hood. I am sick and tired of this country.Na to do my papers and leave this failed state but this one they are rejecting Nigerians all over the world, you sure say them go accept us?

Gone so soon, the news came as a rude shock! Heard the news on Saturday, that Saturday was a bad one. Lost a tenant and in the afternoon, news of kayode came in.

I don't want to type anything before but I feel like this is my own personal tribute and last respect to him.

He was a gentleman and a genius.
Rest in peace Kayode.

Samfloxin:

I don't know what is so difficult in installing CCTV in our hood. I am sick and tired of this country.Na to do my papers and leave this failed state but this one they are rejecting Nigerians all over the world, you sure say them go accept us?

Find another African Country to get Citizenship .Only if the African Country self won't even Reject U.

Incompetent of our health workers,why not at least apply first aid before asking for police order,Why will u call yourself a doctor,if your first purpose isn't to save lives,The man would have bled for almost hours, Traveling from Lagos to abekuta with normal traffic

Oizee:
People won't care for the details but, all dey will say is, she killed him just bcuz of ordinary pure water.

yes i know this is the norm, but the world is intellectually evolving. more people like me are coming up. people that dont jump out to condemn people for their ill actions without first finding out what caused it. yes i said dumb nigerians because this is the annoying way dumb nigerians tell their stories. if this was in europe or united states, u will hear something like mentally derailed man killed a guy because he verbally abused his father or mother or him , atleast they will tell u why he did it.
in this shit hole, they dont tell u why the action was carried out. for example, u see 2 fighting and one punches the other and he dies and instead of the useless naija dumb media to say they where fighting and he punched him and he died, they will rather say mr a stabbed mr b to death.
we need to stop supporting this useless way of analyzing actions

helpee:
Honestly, even in advanced countries, it is meant for tertiary centres. It usually requires a multi disciplinary approach under normal settings. For example, let us assume the spleen is bleeding from gun shot wound, that requires immediate surgery by a surgeon and obviously an anesthesiologist is needed. It may be the lungs that is bleeding, you need a thoracic surgeon immediately. Even if the patient don't need more than chest tubes, you still need to be in a centre that can mobilise resources in a short time in case the bleeding from the lungs is not subsiding or there is persistence of say hemopneumothorax. The immediate condition alone doesn't matter. If the condition of the patient starts deteriorating suddenly, you need to be monitored in a tertiary centre that can immediately mobilise resources. Don't forget also that in Nigeria , we pay at the point of service. So, if the patient requires immediate surgery, ten pints of blood or more, assisted ventilation etc, do you honestly believe the private hospital can quickly afford to call a surgeon, an anesthesiologist at a very high cost and buy ten pints of blood for patients at their own cost assuming the hospital can even quickly mobilise such. If they ask for deposit won't you shout? Don't forget the patient may need a quick ultrasound/CT scan to delineate the site of intra abdominal bleeding for example before moving the patient to theatre meaning you also need a radiologist. Nigerians don't appreciate the complexity of medicine. They equate a big building to a hospital and once the hospital refers them they become aggressive saying you must do something. It is not straightforward.

Thanks for the thorough explanation. Medicine indeed has its complexities, not all buildings labelled hospitals should be rushed to in an emergency, doctors and nurses are not magicians either. Even the initial deposit thing is understandable from your explanation. It is well.

The system killed him, not the gun

knowhowk:
Find another African Country to get Citizenship .Only if the African Country self won't even Reject U.

you nko?

And e go be one stupid broke ass girl hr wan buy that shawama for

Scientist have just discovered a deadly specie of shawarma in W africa called" hunger" which can cause it's victim to freakout.

DrFunmisticGlow:
because they don't have the facilities to handle a gunshot victim

Then in that case, it shouldn't be a case of rejection. It should have been a case of referral to a more equipped hospital. But this is outright rejection, at multiple hospitals. Or did I miss something

KingRabota:




Oga Apologize to her without delay 0

Our people say that the things a young man can not see while he's standing on a tree a granny sees while she's sitting down.

Nigeria is directionless and hopeless.
All my plans now are geared towards getting my kids outta here.
I used to believe in the potential for positivity and progress. But since my wife passed away. I have come to realize that Nigeria is a Lost cause

Nigeria's problems were not caused by aliens from outer space, they were caused by Nigerians including you and I.

The US has banned Nigerians from entering their country and I'm very thankful for that.

No one is going anywhere, we die here!

so the hospital rejected the bullet wound because of police report? are you kidding me right now? the family of the deceased should sue the hospital, that guy died from negligence

One4me:


Whoever made that rule that the Hospital should not treat a GunShot wound except their is a Police Report, also needs to be shot.
What they should have done is say: Start the Treatment BUT INFORm the Police immediately, to come over and "attend" to the Gunshot Victim, be he innocent or an armed robber.

Also, this "Police Madness" of arresting ecerybody in-sight when an incident happens, needs to stop.
It is the reason the frined of the Victim did not go to the Police, because he knows they will just arrest him.
This crude method should stop because all they use it for is extortion of innocent people.
here is no need to detain everybody, just do an on-the-spot assesement, get details of everyone involved and only keep the most directly involved (Trigger-man) while you go on with your discreet investigation.
If there is need to invite and make further arrest, that possibility is always there.

IGP, you better cordinate yourself and your boys.

God help us all