Bjteensdes24:

Am not saying Bruno didn't deserve it just saying Fred should be ahead of all those 2 England players if not ahead of Greenwood

And I agree with you

Oasis007:


Martial FC are not happy..... LMAO!

Even Martial will vote for Bruno..

All those goals, squad harmony, and improvement were simply because of Bruno.

eph12:

He was until the resumption and that was around July

He was what until the resumption?

afrodoc2:


He was what until the resumption?

One of our best performers

eph12:

One of our best performers

I think him and black Ronaldo were the best performers until Bruno arrived.

eph12:

One of our best performers

Not until resumption.

His performance level dropped right from January when Bruno arrive and Matic regained form. Fred was good from Aug to Jan but afterwards he was quite terrible IMO.

Bruno, Martial, Rashford, and even AWB before Fred for me. AWB was good for a longer period than Fred and he was actually good until the resumption before he fell off a cliff.

weedtaker:
I think him and black Ronaldo were the best performers until Bruno arrived.

Afrodoc2 does not like Fred, he won't agree

afrodoc2:


Not until resumption.

His performance level dropped right from January when Bruno arrive and Matic regained form. Fred was good from Aug to Jan but afterwards he was quite terrible IMO.

Bruno, Martial, Rashford, and even AWB before Fred for me. AWB was good for a longer period than Fred and he was actually good until the resumption before he fell off a cliff.

Well its settled then.

eph12:

One of our best performers

I just checked Whoscored.

Our top season average performers in the EPL last season were:

1) Bruno Fernandes 7.73

2) Marcus Rashford 7.35

3) Anthony Martial 7.31

4) Wan-Bissaka 7.19

afrodoc2:



I just checked Whoscored.

Our top season average performers in the EPL last season were:

1) Bruno Fernandes 7.73

2) Marcus Rashford 7.35

3) Anthony Martial 7.31

4) Wan-Bissaka 7.19

I'm glad AWB is there anyways. Good he's not a donkey and a problem anymore

eph12:

Afrodoc2 does not like Fred, he won't agree

I don't carry agenda on my head like most people here. Everybody knows i am the President of Greenwood FC but when people were trying to completely absolve him of blame here i was extra critical on him.

Ponder on this.

afrodoc2:




Our top season average performers in the EPL last season were:

1) Bruno Fernandes 7.73

2) Marcus Rashford 7.35

3) Anthony Martial 7.31

4) Wan-Bissaka 7.19

eph12:

I'm glad AWB is there anyways. Good he's not a donkey and a problem anymore

If you want to troll let me know.

Heinze won this award and 2 years later he was surplus to requirements.

Herrera won this award and 2 years later he was surplus to requirements.

afrodoc2:



I just checked Whoscored.

Our top season average performers in the EPL last season were:

1) Bruno Fernandes 7.73

2) Marcus Rashford 7.35

3) Anthony Martial 7.31

4) Wan-Bissaka 7.19

2017/18 De Gea the winner of the player of the year award. I don't think anyone will argue about this, but he wasn't even top 5 according to whoscored ratings. There are indices that influences ratings, which will never favor some players.

eph12:

2017/18 De Gea the winner of the player of the year award. I don't think anyone will argue about this, but he wasn't even top 5 according to whoscored ratings. There are indices that influences ratings, which will never favor some players.

Ok. How many goals or assists did Fred have. He is after all a midfielder.

afrodoc2:


If you want to troll let me know.

Heinze won this award and 2 years later he was surplus to requirements.

Herrera won this award and 2 years later he was surplus to requirements.

There's no trolling there. AWB was one of those said to be hindering our football. But I'm seeing him among our top 4 performers here. Where's the troll na?

afrodoc2:


Ok how many goals or assists did Fred have. He is after all a midfielder.

Exactly what I'm talking about. Goals and assists

afrodoc2:


Not until resumption.

His performance level dropped right from January when Bruno arrive and Matic regained form. Fred was good from Aug to Jan but afterwards he was quite terrible IMO.

Bruno, Martial, Rashford, and even AWB before Fred for me. AWB was good for a longer period than Fred and he was actually good until the resumption before he fell off a cliff.

AWB what? Fred and Black Ronaldo were the best until Bruno came, Martial benefited the most when Bruno and Igahlo arrived, Man just enter beast mode.

First half of the season belongs to Black Ronaldo and Fred.

eph12:

There's no trolling there. AWB was one of those said to be hindering our football. But I'm seeing him among our top 4 performers here. Where's the troll na?

2 things can be true. He had a lot of great defensive performances but he is a liability going forward. And a full back who is a liability going forward especially in this day and age is a problem for a top team that will face lots of bus parking teams.

AWB because of his defensive 1v1 mastery would always get votes for his defensive performances HOWEVER a player can perform well individually but not be the best option for the team.

At the time Evra replaced Heinze, he was still probably not as good as Heinze defensively but SAF knew we needed an overlapping full back like Evra rather than a CB masquerading as a full back.

I have always lauded AWB for his defensive abilities but even in games where he shines and locks up his opposing wingers like happened with Sterling you see hints of the problems to come.

If he continues playing well defensively and struggling offensively he won't last in a top team. That is sure.

eph12:

Afrodoc2 does not like Fred, he won't agree

Fred Bruno Rashford Martial all have legitimate claims of being crowned player of the season.

eph12:

Exactly what I'm talking about. Goals and assists

So his whoscored rating is low.

Also he scored no goal and made no assist.

And we already proved that he is the most dribbled player in the team.

What exactly is he so good at that he should be rated higher than his team mates who are specialists at scoring goals (Martial, Rashford), creating goals (Bruno), and stopping goals (AWB).


How is running around the pitch like an Ikwerre masquerade superior to scoring and creating goals?

There is a reason when they are giving Player of the Year awards and Golden Ball awards at tournaments the goal scorers and creators are recognized first.

eph12:

I believe the squad is better than most of us think.

Our inability to sell off players is a big problem too

so sad

afrodoc2:


So his whoscored rating is low.

Also he scored no goal and made no assist.

And we already proved that he is the most dribbled player in the team.

What exactly is he so good at that he should be rated higher than his team mates who are specialists at scoring goals (Martial, Rashford), creating goals (Bruno), and stopping goals (AWB).


How is running around the pitch like an Ikwerre masquerade superior to scoring and creating goals?

There is a reason when they are giving Player of the Year awards and Golden Ball awards at tournaments the goal scorers and creators are recognized first.

And yet you the champion Kante lol.

afrodoc2:


So his whoscored rating is low.

Also he scored no goal and made no assist.

And we already proved that he is the most dribbled player in the team.

What exactly is he so good at that he should be rated higher than his team mates who are specialists at scoring goals (Martial, Rashford), creating goals (Bruno), and stopping goals (AWB).


How is running around the pitch like an Ikwerre masquerade superior to scoring and creating goals?

There is a reason when they are giving Player of the Year awards and Golden Ball awards at tournaments the goal scorers and creators are recognized first.

Hmmm now I see it

weedtaker:
And yet you the champion Kante lol.

Let us compare Fred's tackles per game at his best to Kante's tackles per game at his best.

After that let us compare Fred's interceptions per game at his best to Kante's interceptions per game at his best.

Players who run around like Fred e.g Kante, Ndidi, Gueye were topping the league in tackles and interceptions, Fred was topping the league in dribbled past per game.

It is just that i am in a good mood. I would have said Fred was the Hidden Hazard of central midfielders. All shakushaku no action.

But i am in a good mood so i won't say it.

afrodoc2:


2 things can be true. He had a lot of great defensive performances but he is a liability going forward. And a full back who is a liability going forward especially in this day and age is a problem for a top team that will face lots of bus parking teams.

AWB because of his defensive 1v1 mastery would always get votes for his defensive performances HOWEVER a player can perform well individually but not be the best option for the team.

At the time Evra replaced Heinze, he was still probably not as good as Heinze defensively but SAF knew we needed an overlapping full back like Evra rather than a CB masquerading as a full back.

I have always lauded AWB for his defensive abilities but even in games where he shines and locks up his opposing wingers like happened with Sterling you see hints of the problems to come.

If he continues playing well defensively and struggling offensively he won't last in a top team. That is sure.

So we'll say though he was one of the top 4 performers, his performance prevented some of the others from outperforming him?

eph12:

I'm glad AWB is there anyways. Good he's not a donkey and a problem anymore

weedtaker:
AWB what? Fred and Black Ronaldo were the best until Bruno came, Martial benefited the most when Bruno and Igahlo arrived, Man just enter beast mode.

First half of the season belongs to Black Ronaldo and Fred.

-Fred and Rashford season ended early(in terms of performance ) around January.

- AWB DEFENSIVE performance throughout the season was great.

eph12:

So we'll say though he was one of the top 4 performers, his performance prevented some of the others from outperforming him?

He is a defensive full back. There is little or no room for such in modern football. especially with the way wing forwards are meant to play. That is the point.

The team would play better as a whole with an attacking RB who even though he might be inferior individually to AWB would fit the system and improve our balance of play better. That is the point.
If you can't understand this then i can't help you.

They decided to appease Martial FC

Cc Patrickmuf

Expert17:


-Fred and Rashford season ended early(in terms of performance ) around January.

- AWB DEFENSIVE performance throughout the season was great.

Simple. I am not an AWB fan but he maintained his defensive performance for much longer than Fred.

Immediately Bruno came in January and Matic regained fitness Fred just fizzled out.

AWB maintained good defensive form until the last 4-5 games of the season.

afrodoc2:


Let us compare Fred's tackles per game at his best to Kante's tackles per game at his best.

After that let us compare Fred's interceptions per game at his best to Kante's interceptions per game at his best.

Players who run around like Fred e.g Kante, Ndidi, Gueye were topping the league in tackles and interceptions, Fred was topping the league in dribbled past per game.

It is just that i am in a good mood. I would have said Fred was the Hidden Hazard of central midfielders. All shakushaku no action.

But i am in a good mood so i won't say it.

you were talking goals and assists na. I'm not comparing Fred with anyone, you were talking about goals and assist that was why I mentioned Kante.

The Fred I saw with my eyes was one of the best midfielders in the league before lockdown, and mostly everyone agreed with that.

In the whole team, Fred was top 5 in average passes and successful passes. If we remove the defenders, he's easily top 2. Key pass he's top 4. Fouled, aside the attackers, he's top 2. Bruno, Rashford, Martial all have more bad touches than Fred. Surprisingly all the said top performers are more dispossessed than Fred per game according to whoscored. I'll just stop here