weedtaker:
you were talking goals and assists na. I'm not comparing Fred with anyone, you were talking about goals and assist that was why I mentioned Kante.

The Fred I saw with my eyes was one of the best midfielders in the league before lockdown, and mostly everyone agreed with that.

I asked that what is Fred good at that should make him get higher ratings than players that do the most difficult thing in football i.e score and create goals.

If he is not scoring or creating goals at least he should be winning tackles or making interceptions like Kante and Ndidi.

Or he should be controlling game with 90 passes and 90 percent pass accuracy like Xavi.

Or at least he should be press resistant and able to pick the ball off his CBs while facing his goal and initiate play like Thiago.

What special skill does Fred have to make him win awards meant for players that actually make significant contributions to the team.

Expert17:


-Fred and Rashford season ended early(in terms of performance ) around January.

- AWB DEFENSIVE performance throughout the season was great.

his tackles you mean? cause AWB overall defensive game is not good.

Rashford was injured Fred was brilliant until lockdown [nothing like fizzle out in January]. and he was replaced by Matic when we resumed.

eph12:
In the whole team, Fred was top 5 in average passes and successful passes. If we remove the defenders, he's easily top 2. Key pass he's top 4. Fouled, aside the attackers, he's top 2. Bruno, Rashford, Martial all have more bad touches than Fred. Surprisingly all the said top performers are more dispossessed than Fred per game according to whoscored. I'll just stop here

Football stats are like bikinis they only cover the parts you actually want to see

eph12:
In the whole team, Fred was top 5 in average passes and successful passes. If we remove the defenders, he's easily top 2. Key pass he's top 4. Fouled, aside the attackers, he's top 2. Bruno, Rashford, Martial all have more bad touches than Fred. Surprisingly all the said top performers are more dispossessed than Fred per game according to whoscored. I'll just stop here

In the EPL Matic averaged more passes than Fred, averaged a higher pass accuracy than Fred, was dispossessed fewer times than Fred, and had 2 assists to Fred's 0 assists.

Try again.

afrodoc2:


I asked that what is Fred good at that shoudl make him get higher ratings than players that do the most difficult thing in football i.e score and create goals.

If he is not scoring or creating goals at least he should be winning tackles or making interceptions like Kante and Ndidi.

Or he should be controlling game with 90 passes and 90 percent pass accuracy like Xavi.

Or at least he should be press resistant and able to pick the ball off his CBs while facing his goal and initiate play like Thiago.

What special skill does Fred have to make him win awards meant for players that actually make significant contributions to the team.

okay, Herrera vs Kante 2016/17.. Herrera was better and whoscored backs me.

What do you say about that?

Panther7:
Football stats are like bikinis they only cover the parts you actually want to see

I mean there are so many other things to look at, but what purpose will that serve? Apparently only those scoring the goals or doing the assists are relevant today. I shouldn't forget the tackles too.

But, only AWB and Matic has more tackles than him in the team and Matic played more less football than him. Should we talk about the interceptions too?

8500 Manchester United to win the PL

8500

weedtaker:
his tackles you mean? cause AWB overall defensive game is not good

Rashford was injured Fred was brilliant until lockdown [nothing like fizzle out in January]. and he was replaced by Matic when we resumed.

@bolded.....are you serious?

afrodoc2:


In the EPL Matic averaged more passes than Fred, averaged a higher pass accuracy than Fred, was dispossessed fewer times than Fred, and had 2 assists to Fred's 0 assists.

Try again.

In that post, I'm not sure I mentioned that Fred posted better stats in those metrics. To have a more balanced picture, there are over 20 metrics or so if you check whoscored. Are those other ones irrelevant in a team?

I was even looking only at the EPL, and not other competitions. Meanwhile we're talking about the top performers of the season, not EPL.

eph12:

I mean there are so many other things to look at, but what purpose will that serve? Apparently only those scoring the goals or doing the assists are relevant today. I shouldn't forget the tackles too.

But, only AWB and Matic has more tackles than him in the team and Matic played more less football than him. Should we talk about the interceptions too?

Matic made more passes, had a higher passing accuracy, was dispossessed less, and had more assists.

Matic also had more tackles, clearances, blocks, and was dribbled FAR LESS.


Try again.

I almost missed. 8500. 8500 goals this season. Amen.

afrodoc2:


I asked that what is Fred good at that should make him get higher ratings than players that do the most difficult thing in football i.e score and create goals.

If he is not scoring or creating goals at least he should be winning tackles or making interceptions like Kante and Ndidi.

Or he should be controlling game with 90 passes and 90 percent pass accuracy like Xavi.

Or at least he should be press resistant and able to pick the ball off his CBs while facing his goal and initiate play like Thiago.

What special skill does Fred have to make him win awards meant for players that actually make significant contributions to the team.

Fred will just be running up and down doing nothing...forming busy

That's why he can't play with Pogba, but will shine with midfielders (Mc tominay and Matic) who can cover up for him.

Expert17:

@bolded.....are you serious?

lol, So you don't know?

afrodoc2:


Matic made more passes, had a higher passing accuracy, was dispossessed less, and had more assists.

Matic also had more tackles, clearances, blocks, and was dribbled FAR LESS.


Try again.

Herrera vs Kante 2016/17 sir.

afrodoc2:


Matic made more passes, had a higher passing accuracy, was dispossessed less, and had more assists.

Matic also had more tackles, clearances, blocks, and was dribbled FAR LESS.


Try again.

Defenders and players sitting in front of the defenders are expected to have more passes and better accuracy for obvious reasons.

And no, Matic didn't have a better pass accuracy than Fred in the league. In fact nobody with more appearances than Fred had a better pass accuracy. In case that's still not clear, not even the defenders

Expert17:


Fred will just be running up and down doing nothing...forming busy

That's why he can't play with Pogba, but will shine with midfielders (Mc tominay and Matic) who can cover up for him.

Cover for him? Buahahahaha

weedtaker:
lol, So you don't know?

So which right back will you pick ahead of AWB in EPL using just defending abilities?

It's not by multiple Signings, rather right Signing.

weedtaker:
Herrera vs Kante 2016/17 sir.

How relevant is this to our debate about our player of the season?

eph12:

Cover for him? Buahahahaha

Yes, we lost more than 85% of games Pogba and Fred started as midfield duo.

Expert17:


Yes, we lost more than 85% of games Pogba and Fred started as midfield duo.

What games are you talking about?

Mark register

afrodoc2:





How relevant is this to our debate about our player of the season?

Your use of whoscored and stats overall in your ratings.

you think Herrera is average and not good enough but think Kante is world class.

especially 2016/17 season. you were of the opinion that kante was several levels above Herrera despite the stats and who scored proving otherwise.

eph12:

Defenders and players sitting in front of the defenders are expected to have more passes and better accuracy for obvious reasons.

And no, Matic didn't have a better pass accuracy than Fred in the league. In fact nobody with more appearances than Fred had a better pass accuracy. In case that's still not clear, not even the defenders

So after going through about 20 stats Fred tops 1 or 2 of them and automatically he should have been player of the season?

Rashford's goals kept us from sinking before Bruno came. Bruno came and took over.

IMO AWB shutting down one side of the defence had a significant impact on our improved defensive record. There was a spell in which teams just stopped attacking down our right side.
The guy is ugly on the ball but 1v1 i gats salute.

Fred is just the latest in a long line of overrated United players like Herrera, Rojo IMO.
I remember when some here were calling for Rojo's inclusion just because he gave them 2 months of eye service.

After Fred plays 1 full season of decent football i will believe in him. He is not Pogba or Martial that can correct 4 months of mediocre football with 4 months of world class performances.

Expert17:


So which right back will you pick ahead of AWB in EPL using just defending abilities?

I don't watch other teams play that much, but Ricardo Pereira was my choice during our search for a RB and he's head and shoulders above AWB as a RB.

Diego Jota to Liverpool?!

afrodoc2:


So after going through about 20 stats Fred tops 1 or 2 of them and automatically he should have been player of the season?

Rashford's goals kept us from sinking before Bruno came. Bruno came and took over.

IMO AWB shutting down one side of the defence had a significant impact on our improved defensive record. There was a spell in which teams just stopped attacking down our right side.
The guy is ugly on the ball but 1v1 i gats salute.

Fred is just the latest in a long line of overrated United players like Herrera, Rojo IMO.
I remember when some here were calling for Rojo's inclusion just because he gave them 2 months of eye service.

After Fred plays 1 full season of decent football i will believe in him. He is not Pogba or Martial that can correct 4 months of mediocre football with 4 months of world class performances.

I can swear that people here were commenting on the fact that opponents prefer to attack down our right. Do you remember this?

eph12:

I can swear that people here were commenting on the fact that opponents prefer to attack down our right. Do you remember this?

just like people were calling for Matic's sale too, you don't need to swear bro.