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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:06am On Sep 18, 2020 |
Karanka:How exactly has Satan personally caused havoc on earth in your life? Karanka:Karanta, if somehow you manage to give the correct answer to this question, then you'll understand the angle why the rest of humans are involved my sweet dear loveable and reasonable friend. "1Then the LORD said to Moses, 2“Look, I have specifically chosen Bezalel son of Uri, grandson of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. 3I have filled him with the Spirit of God, giving him great wisdom, ability, and expertise in all kinds of crafts. 4He is a master craftsman, expert in working with gold, silver, and bronze. 5He is skilled in engraving and mounting gemstones and in carving wood. He is a master at every craft! 6“And I have personally appointed Oholiab son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, to be his assistant. Moreover, I have given special skill to all the gifted craftsmen so they can make all the things I have commanded you to make: 7the Tabernacle; the Ark of the Covenant; the Ark’s cover —the place of atonement; all the furnishings of the Tabernacle; 8the table and its utensils; the pure gold lampstand with all its accessories; the incense altar; 9the altar of burnt offering with all its utensils; the washbasin with its stand; 10the beautifully stitched garments —the sacred garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments for his sons to wear as they minister as priests; 11the anointing oil; the fragrant incense for the Holy Place. The craftsmen must make everything as I have commanded you.”" - Exodus 31:1-11 [img]https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/183661061171_/£1-pound-coin-with-mint-error-very-rare.jpg/img] Now, here's the question Karanka: If you blessed, as if just like Bezalel in Exodus 31:1-11 above, but this time around, with the creative idea of how to produce, say something like a coin, as in the picture displayed above seen, please tell: 1/ How would you produce the first product and what will it be called? 2/ Then secondly, how would you plan to go about reproducing this your same first product, with same quality, same distinct marks, over and over and over again, so you have a successful inventory, you are able to distribute, replenish and overwhelm the world with? Karanka:Is that what exactly is panning before our eyes ni? Karanka:"When the foundations [of life] are undermined, what can a righteous person do?" - Psalm 11:3 A&E, ignoring God's warning, with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences, involved generations upon generations of people to suffer for what didn't directly involve them |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:43am On Sep 18, 2020 |
[img]https://s1/images/8521250522-QEII-90rh-Bday-Gold-Layered.png[/img] [img]https://s1/images/5d14cf54759f6.jpg[/img] Now, here's the question Karanka: If you blessed, as if just like Bezalel in Exodus 31:1-11 above, but this time around, with the creative idea of how to produce, say something like a coin, as in the picture displayed above seen, please tell: 1/ How would you produce the first product and what will it be called? 2/ Then secondly, how would you plan to go about reproducing this your same first product, with same quality, same distinct marks, over and over and over again, so you have a successful inventory, you are able to distribute, replenish and overwhelm the world with? |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Sep 18, 2020 |
frank317, and even Karanka, in order not to get your post hidden and your posting privileges withdrawn, as happened to you above, just post your comment, and do so, without repeating anyone's previous quote to capture their comment. Dont quote the post, simply just write out the poster name & his/her comments yourself. Don't outright quote, whom you're responding to. It will save your post from being auto-hidden, from withdrawing certain privileges and rewarding you with an ignominious posting ban |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 7:54am On Sep 18, 2020 |
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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 9:46pm On Sep 18, 2020 |
TATIME: Have you ever sold Awake? When last did you sell a copy? Which one is fruit of Holy Spirit again? |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 9:47pm On Sep 18, 2020 |
So where was i? |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 4:03am On Sep 19, 2020 |
Karanka: Wisdom doesn't settle issues that way! In a maths class a student challenged the lecturer saying the lecturer didn't get the solution to a certain equation, though everyone knew the expected answer but the formula to work it out is the problem. If the lecturer should send this student out of the class will that solve the issue? Definitely not! So the wise thing will be to hand over the chalk or marker to the student and allow him prove his formula, if he gets it right then the lecturer is wrong but if not then the lecturer knows better. Of course this will take all the students longer than necessary but does it worth the effort? YES! If the lecturer truly knows better. God is that lecturer, Satan is the student, mankind is the equation and system of government is the formula, there is just one form of government that can bring lasting PEACE on earth THEOCRACY! This is the government of all intelligent creatures by God for the benefit of all creatures! All other system will fail! But God doesn't want to be a bully so he allowed Satan to try his best and see if he could deliver, Satan just continue using people to kill people in his effort to prove his formula right, mankind have tried all forms of government none worked out for the benefit of mankind rather it has continued to bring pain and suffering. The last system God foretold that man will work on is DEMOCRACY today we are trying to make it work but all to no avail, no country on this planet is enjoying the kind of PEACE mankind really need. Thanks! 1 Like |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Sermwell(m): 11:30am On Sep 19, 2020 |
Karanka:With all honesty I'm yet to read a justifiable reason from this thread why the devil is still roaming the earth and why God had to sacrifice his only begotten son because of him. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Haylel: 1:08pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Haylel: 1:10pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 1:16pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
Haylel:No, I didnt and havent. I've actually been trying to find out the identity of who it was that mentioned or quoted me and wondering whats in the post I couldn't see because of it being hidden. Please repeat or paraphrase here what the post is all about but without quoting any post of mine on this thread. There is an irritable bug on the system, acting out of turn. PS: Haylel, are you using a different ID, because you just have any post taken down or hidden from view? |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 1:31pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
Maximus69 RIP in Nairaland heavens cc: Fyi, Blabbermouth, Image123, Acehart, kkins25, Dtruthseeker, TATIME, Janosky, DappaD |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Haylel: 1:46pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
RIP Maximus69, He fought a good fight but was slain by the sharp sword of the Antichrist bot. We will meet again at the master's feet. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by kkins25(m): 2:36pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:
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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by kkins25(m): 3:08pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
i have responded to you twice on two different threads but i was spam botted for a couple of days. something is wrong with nairaland; a bug peherps. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 10:29pm On Sep 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Majamaja oh my friends. But he didn't want to go to heaven na. He wants to parachute on earth. Sorry, Paradise. What is wrong with my keyboard? Oh majamaja. So long. 1 Like |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 5:26am On Sep 20, 2020 |
kkins25:www.nairaland.com/attachments/12367055_101608231567500587519jpega68a99edf1379da2f50c00615578a859_jpeg3945b2c5b95afa128a8a03617d3f01bb The high five gesture of congratulation, solidarity and greeting Cheerful place without all that Maximus69 nonsense and ingredients perfecting art of contextomy, the regular JW membership registration forms sales pitch throw ins and not missing a trick proselytising shenanigans |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by orisa37: 6:00am On Sep 20, 2020 |
Substitute The Word Sacrifice with "THE SON OF MAN AS THE LAMB OF GOD THAT DELIVERED, SAVED AND REDEEMED HUMANS TO GOD. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by orisa37: 6:04am On Sep 20, 2020 |
orisa37: CHRIST IS THE FAITH AND THE HOPE OF LIFE !!! |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:32am On Sep 20, 2020 |
kkins25: Haylel: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff:kkins25 did you not see all the warnings and workaround, I put out with some others cc'ed on it, ni? kkin25: MuttleyLaff: "But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. (i.e. But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law.)" - James 2:9 "Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism" - Acts 10:34 "For God does not show favoritism (i.e. God doesn't have any favorites! For God judges everyone by the same standard)" - Romans 2:11 By the way, I saw your comment above done on the Islam forum, unfortunately, for obvious reasons, I am unable to respond on that forum concerning the parable Jesus, spoke about the Shepherd, alleged by you, who abandoned the 99 sheep or lamb to find, rescue, and save the lost one, so I'll post my reins here for you and with budaatum cc'ed Here is a preamble before my response. Conventional financial wisdom says, take care of the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves. I have 100 pence/kobo/cents, in my pocket. I pence/kobo/cent fell out on my pocket on to the ground, getting lost. Now here is the point, since, I know that the pennies make a Pound, the kobos makes the Naira and the cents makes the Dollar, then I'll leave the 99 pence/kobo/cents, safely remaining in my pocket, to go look for the lost pence/kobo/cent. Now please tell me, what's so wrong or difficult in doing just that, hmm kkins25? Or are you one of those who see a pence/kobo/cent on the pavement and walk past it, ignoring it, hmm? When I went to go looking for the lost pence/kobo/cent, my other 99 pence/kobo/cents were not abandoned kkins25. Do you get it now? Capisce, hmm? My other response then, is, on the strength of James 2:9 and Acts 10:34 above, also with especially, the profound Romans 2:11, God is no respecter of persons. He doesnt show favouritism, yet it doesnt take away the fact and truth that, He wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. He isn’t really being slow about His promise, as some people like you want to think. No, God is being patient for everyone's sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to change, repent, wants all to turn away from their sins and to pass on to having reformed characters inasmuch as they exercise their fundamental right to exist and to exist freely expressing themselves, to the best of their abilities and nature Your problem kkins25, is that you have itching ears, hence the reason why you have a craving appetite and/or unhealthy diet lust for apocrypha and pseudepigrapha literature |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Prettygirl27: 3:10pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
Sermwell: I bb |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 3:42pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Judges and suspects are both humans without supernatural ability to know who is at fault. But God created Satan and should be able to convict him right away. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 8:33pm On Sep 20, 2020 |
I don't really know what's been triggering the b/ans by the N/L b/ots recently. I think it's the use of too many n/umbers in one post. Well, the whole Genesis chapter Three account raised several issues about who Jehovah the Creator of the heavens and earth really was. After Satan deceived Eve into disobeying her God, He(Satan) claimed that God was hiding something precious from Adam and Eve—further painting Him to be a bad ruler. Know that before now, God had created millions of angels in heaven(Job Thirty-Eight verse Seven) and they were all observing the scenario on how the whole matter would turn out. If God had immediately destroyed the rebels—Satan, Adam and Eve—then it would make Satan's claim of God being a bad ruler to be true. Other issues were raised too—as to whether humans could successfully rule themselves without God's intervention. Jehovah God knew that he didn't create humans with the ability to rule themselves(Jeremiah Ten verse Twenty-Three) but he has allowed Satan and humans to set up their governments anyway to show to observers that Satan was wrong. Where the descendants of Adam and Eve come into the scenario is when they are to choose between One. Serving JEHOVAH GOD — the One who created human beings and therefore, knows what's best for us. Two. Accepting Satan's ploy for humans to rule themselves in forms of governments under Satan's authority. Those who choose number one are to love Jehovah their God, keep all His statutes and commandments in order that they may have everlasting life. (Deuteronomy Thirty verse Sixteen, Nineteen and Twenty; Psalm Thirty-Seven verse Twenty-Nine; Zephaniah Two verse Two&Three; John Three verse Sixteen) That includes wholeheartedly supporting God's Kingdom that will put an end to all of human governments in the future. (Daniel Two verse Forty-Four) The only group of persons today doing these are Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah Forty-Three verse Ten to Twelve) The Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world. (John Twelve verse Thirty-One, First John Five verse Nineteen) Those who decide to follow Satan's form of rulership are the ones who rely on their own so-called wisdom, accept worldly ideas and thinking, set standards for themselves to follow(just like Adam and Eve chose to do) and all those who are supporting the human governments of this present system of things. The Bible which is God's inspired word also gives us hope that all the havoc today—death, pain, injustice, crime, sickness—that were caused under Satan's authority WILL all be reversed through God's Kingdom. (Revelation Twenty-One verse One to Four) |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 12:43am On Sep 21, 2020 |
Sermwell: Blabbermouth:"36I can guarantee that on judgment day people will have to give an account of every careless word they say. (i.e. I tell you, on Judgment Day people will give an account for every thoughtless word they have uttered,) 37By your words you will be declared innocent, or by your words you will be declared guilty." (i.e. On that day they will be told they are either innocent or guilty because of the things they have said The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.)" - Matthew 12:36-37 "Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God (i.e. All of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God)" - Romans 14:12 "All of us must appear in front of Christ's judgment seat. Then all people will receive what they deserve for the good or evil they have done while living in their bodies" - 2 Corinthians 5:10 "They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. (i.e. They will face a reckoning before Jesus Christ who stands ready to judge the living and the dead)" - 1 Peter 4:5 "They began screaming at Him, “Why are you interfering with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before God’s appointed time?”" - Matthew 8:29 "Ha! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.”" - Luke 4:34 "and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!"" - Mark 5:7 Blabbermouth, dont fret, everyone will have their fair hearing in court and of course, in front of an Incorruptible Judge. The devils knows this, also believe and tremble. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 12:46pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Yeah. I was trying to tell Sermwell that God wouldn't just throw Satan straight up into an everlasting hell without a fair hearing in court. Is that not why there is a judgement day? But he seems to think God should just do that straight up because , well, because the humans are suffering and somehow the devil is the cause for all their problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sermwell, I know you may want to ask why God didn't just set the Judgement day the same day (or the next day) Satan caused trouble. Unfortunately, the Judgement day cannot /could not have taken place until Christ must have come and done every thing he has been sent to do. This is the reason why after the death of Christ, the apostles and the early Christians thought Jesus will return in their time and this current world will end with Satan being delivered up into everlasting torment. Before Christ died, No one, I repeat, No one expected the world to end and Satan be delivered up for judgement! WHY SHOULD GOD SACRIFICE HIS OWN SON WHEN HE CAN SIMPLY DESTROY SATAN? I don't really want to go very deep but let me also pen this down- Christ's death was not only for humans. The angels also needed it; 1. Through the overcoming of Christ, God was Justified before the angels. (Romans 3:4)... If Christ had not overcome, the angels, humans and the likes will not see God's judgement as just. However, given that Jesus (a man) has overcome, no tongue will be able to gainsay on that day when he is found wanting. 2. Through the death of Christ, the angels (and humans) found MERCY before God. (Rev 5:.. If he wasn't sacrificed, everything would have returned to square one as no one will be saved! What shall we now say, God wasted his time creating man and angels in the first place? What shall we now say, God should kill Satan (without Christ, y'all will go down with him) and end everything? God forbid! |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:37pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
CrescentMoon:The problem is not with God or his supernatural powers, it's actually with the person or the specie being judged. Imagine God throwing every being that lived before Christ into the eternal, I meant the ones that were not Israelite and never heard about God or heard about Jesus. Imagine I were part of them, what do you think I will say? If I ask you if God was right throwing people into hell because they never heard about him (which obviously, isn't their fault), what will you say? I believe you will say "Yes". However if I ask you how he was right, you will say something as humanly dumb as "because God is a good God". Read this.... Do you get the essence now? God is not a bully Judge. You know, that kind of "I am right because my name is God. If you oppose me, I will punish you also"... No, no, no. Whenever God is to Judge, even the suspect will not have a single point against God's judgement. That is exactly why He is a just Judge. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 1:40pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: So those that died before God called Abraham will be reincarnated so that they can hear the gospel? |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 1:42pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: You're answering yourself and you said that will be my answer. |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:43pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
CrescentMoon:This is a discussion for another day. In this case, I used it to explain why God doesn't just use brute force and cover it up with "hahahahahahaha, my name is God". |
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:44pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
CrescentMoon:It was intended as an illustration. I don't want derail the thread. |
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