Empiree:
If blasphemy law is "barbaric", there is no difference btw it's barbarism then and now. You have not argue constructively against my position.

Until you can openly criticize Stand Your Ground Law, Holocaust Denial Law, Hate Speech Law, then, you are wasting your precious time with blasphemy law

How idiotic.


Your kitchen sink approach is very disappointing.

It is telling that you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit. You have to call other laws.

You cant see how daft your defence is

How is blasphemy law your concern?.
Every region has their laws and way of life.

I simply used other parallel examples.

That's the only way you can understand knowing how you reason.

There is Yoruba saying:

"Ilu ti ko si ofin, ko si ese. Ti ofin ba wa ese wa". Literally translates, "in a nation where there is no law there is no crime. If there is legislation there is punishment or consequence. Laws are meant to bring sanity to a society.

Deal with it, bro

AbdulSleeky:





How idiotic.


Your kitchen sink approach is very disappointing.

It is telling that you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit. You have to call other laws.

You cant see how daft your defence is

Empiree:


How is blasphemy law your concern?.
Every region has their laws and way of life.

I simply used other parallel examples.

That's the only way you can understand knowing how you reason.

There is Yoruba saying:

"Ilu ti ko si ofin, ko si ese. Ti ofin ba wa ese wa". Literally translates, "in a nation where there is no law there is no crime. If there is legislation there is punishment or consequence. Laws are meant to bring sanity to a society.

Deal with it, bro

So, there is no sanity in countries that do not have blasphemy laws?

Do you see your foolishness?

AbdulSleeky:



So, there is no sanity in countries that do not have blasphemy laws?

Do you see your foolishness?

Recall I told you about hate crimes and hate speech?. They legislated this law against hate crimes and hate speeches. You can be jailed for your utterances against someone if it may leads to injury or death. It is classified under hate speech and I have given you example of indian guy in New York.

Empiree:
Recall I told you about hate crimes and hate speech?. They legislated this law against hate crimes and hate speeches. You can be jailed for your utterances against someone if it may leads to injury or death. It is classified under hate speech and I have given you example of indian guy in New York.

Hate speech and hate crimes are fundamentally different from Blasphemy laws.

The same country that you are using as evidence for hate speech and hate crimes, removed Blasphemy laws from their books. You used New York, USA as an example. The same New York and USA that removed Blasphemy laws from their book because it is unconstitutional.

You can only commit hate speech and hate crimes against a person or people. You cannot commit hate speech by criticising or insulting a religion. There in lies the difference between hate speech and blasphemy.

In case you are idiotic enough to say that Blasphemy and hate speech are the same-

Human rights experts argue for laws which adequately distinguish between protection of individuals' freedoms and laws which over-broadly restrict freedom of speech. Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights obliges countries to adopt legislative measures against "any advocacy of national racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence."However, they also note that such protections must be carefully circumscribed, and do not support prohibition of blasphemy per se

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law

Empiree,, if you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit, then you are acknowledging that it is a useless law.

AbdulSleeky:

You can only commit hate speech and hate crimes against a person or people. You cannot commit hate speech by criticising or insulting a religion. There in lies the difference between hate speech and blasphemy.

I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.

Em piree,, if you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit, then you are acknowledging that it is a useless law.

On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

Empiree:
I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.


On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

Stop telling lies. Hate speech can only be committed against a person or people not religion. Even your picture contradicts you. See below-

Empiree:
I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.


On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

1. Do not bring in holocaust laws. We are talking about blasphemy. If you cannot defend it on its own merit, then you are agreeing that it is a useless law.

2. My wikipedia link clearly quotes international human rights lawyers who differentiate between the protection of people from religious persecution and blasphemy.


Empiree, you are behaving like someone who cannot reason.

You have no justification for blasphemy laws and you are scrambling to use other laws to defend it. Your red herrings wont work with me.

AbdulSleeky:




Stop telling lies. Hate speech can only be committed against a person or people not religion. Even your picture contradicts you. See below-

so Holocaust denial is crime against a person, abi?. You see, I know your problem and I have stated it several times. You delebrately avoided to criticize it because it is a "no go area". Who is Holocaust denial commits crime against for denying Holocaust?.

AbdulSleeky:



1. Do not bring in holocaust laws. We are talking about blasphemy. If you cannot defend it on its own merit, then you are agreeing that it is a useless law.

why not?. Why can't I bring it?. Why is Holocaust law not as "useless" as blasphemy law?. Again, I know your motives. Your problem is hate on its own. Holocaust law was legislated to protect integrity of persecuted semitic people. In the same token, blasphemy law was legislated to protect integrity of the prophet of Islam because he's already the target insult, ridicules and irrational hatred by people who think from their anus.

2. My wikipedia link clearly quotes international human rights lawyers who differentiate between the protection of people from religious persecution and blasphemy

and why is this your stu.pid international lawyers not define and reject Holocaust law on the merit of infringement on freedom of speech?. Denying Holocaust is right of everyone who wishes not to believe in it. Why is it a crime to deny it?. When Iran denied Holocaust over a decade ago entire world including Christians in Nigeria gone up in flames and called for sanction on Iran. But if someone insults prophet of Islam you all claim it is their right. Rubbish.

You have no justification for blasphemy laws and you are scrambling to use other laws to defend it. Your red herrings wont work with me.

blasphemy law is law of the land in kano. You do not have option to challenge law the moment it is legislated. You are not a lawyer in Kano state. Your are just a clown on nairaland. Blasphemy law is legislated in Kano. If you violate the law you must be punished.

The same idea that brought about Holocaust denial law is tantamount to blasphemy law in Kano. Six million dead Jews is considered sacred. So kano considered prophet muhammad sacred. Therefore, it is against the law to say rubbish against this religious figure. Or else, your will be persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Remember it is not only Germany that legislated Holocaust law. It is 7 European countries and Israel. So if you deny Holocaust in israel, wait and see what they would do to you. The punishment is most likely grave in israel than europe. According to Polish article, Holocaust denial is an incitement and hatred against 6 minion dead Jews. So do you see fine line btw the two laws or you are simply blinded by hatred?


It is a crime to insult, ridicule or incite hate speech against prophet muhammad. I will continue to support it against crazy people like you. Law is law my friend. Obey the law or face consequences

Empiree:
so Holocaust denial is crime against a person, abi?. You see, I know your problem and I have stated it several times. You delebrately avoided to criticize it because it is a "no go area". Who is Holocaust denial commits crime against for denying Holocaust?.

We are not talking about holocaust.

It shows how empty you are when you cannot defend blasphemy laws on its own merit

Empiree:
why not?. Why can't I bring it?. Why is Holocaust law not as "useless" as blasphemy law?. Again, I know your motives. Your problem is hate on its own. Holocaust law was legislated to protect integrity of persecuted semitic people. In the same token, blasphemy law was legislated to protect integrity of the prophet of Islam because he's already the target insult, ridicules and irrational hatred by people who think from their anus.



and why is this your stu.pid international lawyers not define and reject Holocaust law on the merit of infringement on freedom of speech?. Denying Holocaust is right of everyone who wishes not to believe in it. Why is it a crime to deny it?. When Iran denied Holocaust over a decade ago entire world including Christians in Nigeria gone up in flames and called for sanction on Iran. But if someone insults prophet of Islam you all claim it is their right. Rubbish.



blasphemy law is law of the land in kano. You do not have option to challenge law the moment it is legislated. You are not a lawyer in Kano state. Your are just a clown on nairaland. Blasphemy law is legislated in Kano. If you violate the law you must be punished.

The same idea that brought about Holocaust denial law is tantamount to blasphemy law in Kano. Six million dead Jews is considered sacred. So kano considered prophet muhammad sacred. Therefore, it is against the law to say rubbish against this religious figure. Or else, your will be persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Remember it is not only Germany that legislated Holocaust law. It is 7 European countries and Israel. So if you deny Holocaust in israel, wait and see what they would do to you. The punishment is most likely grave in israel than europe. According to Polish article, Holocaust denial is an incitement and hatred against 6 minion dead Jews. So do you see fine line btw the two laws or you are simply blinded by hatred?


It is a crime to insult, ridicule or incite hate speech against prophet muhammad. I will continue to support it against crazy people like you. Law is law my friend. Obey the law or face consequences

Again, we are not talking about holocaust laws.

Empiree, I must say that I'm enjoying this.

Two muslims have messaged me privately. It seems that they are not happy with the excuses made for the barbaric blasphemy laws in islam.

AbdulSleeky:



Again, we are not talking about holocaust laws.

Empiree, I must say that I'm enjoying this.

Two muslims have messaged me privately. It seems that they are not happy with the excuses made for the barbaric blasphemy laws in islam.

their business not mine. Law is law. Who cares who messaged you privately?. They aren't gonna be in my grave nor am i gonna be in theirs. Who am i to believe you?. It seems you dont understand a very simple logic. Kano made legislation and you are here challenging their law. Would you challenge ridiculous laws made in western countries?. Anyone living religion because of this does not have integrity to obey simple law. I have given several examples. You can be arrested and charged for simple peeing on the sidewalk in a developed country. This is something you guys take for granted in Nigeria because of lawlessness. So if you are arrested and charged for merely peeing on the street in American for instance, you would think it is ridiculous bcus you never experienced such n your lawless country called nigeria. You are used to bribing your way out. If you think it is ridiculous to pass blasphemy law, then violate the law and see what happens. It is as simple as that. I dont care who leaves islam bcus of this. It is common sense. You can't tell me not to talk about holocaust law. Both have the same consequences. And is it only Kano that has blasphemy law?. Go other some other countries that have same legislation and violate their law. You go see what will happen. Respect the law of the land. Is this difficult to understand?.

All these western countries you are trying to shield had blasphemy law in their history. Why is Nigeria exception?. They still keep the same law but in different version called "hate crime" after separation of church and state.

Empiree:
their business not mine. Law is law. Who cares who messaged you privately?. They aren't gonna be in my grave nor am i gonna be in theirs. Who am i to believe you?. It seems you dont understand a very simple logic. Kano made legislation and you are here challenging their law. Would you challenge ridiculous laws made in western countries?. Anyone living religion because of this does not have integrity to obey simple law. I have given several examples. You can be arrested and charged for simple peeing on the sidewalk in a developed country. This is something you guys take for granted in Nigeria because of lawlessness. So if you are arrested and charged for merely peeing on the street in American for instance, you would think it is ridiculous bcus you never experienced such n your lawless country called nigeria. You are used to bribing your way out. If you think it is ridiculous to pass blasphemy law, then violate the law and see what happens. It is as simple as that. I dont care who leaves islam bcus of this. It is common sense. You can't tell me not to talk about holocaust law. Both have the same consequences. And is it only Kano that has blasphemy law?. Go other some other countries that have same legislation and violate their law. You go see what will happen. Respect the law of the land. Is this difficult to understand?.

All these western countries you are trying to shield had blasphemy law in their history. Why is Nigeria exception?. They still keep the same law but in different version called "hate crime" after separation of church and state.

Nonsense. All other religions have abandoned blasphemy laws. Both Judaism and christianity have blasphemy on their books but today, they dont enforce it.

AbdulSleeky:



We are not talking about holocaust.

It shows how empty you are when you cannot defend blasphemy laws on its own merit

No, i dont need to prove it to you on its own merit knowing who you are. I simply had to use simple logic to get you to reason which is holocaust law. Log on internet and you see human right activists fighting harder all these years to repeal holocaust law bcus it is in conflict with freedom of expression and democracy. That's why US rejected the proposal. Yet you have problem with blasphemy law. Nonsense. Law is law. As much as I am against holocaust legislation in Europe and Israel, i can never go there and disobey the law. That's exactly what I am telling you. Neither would i challenge them for their law. I have moral obligation to obey their law regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. If you think you are bigger than law, go to Kano and violate the law and see what happens to you. Again, I dont care who messaged you privately. Thats their prerogative.

To give you quick background on Northern sharia legislation and the so called muslims who messaged you privately, as much northern sharia legislation is not completely islamic but "political sharia", it still serves as deterrent against SW christians and atheists. Sharia legislation was proposed to push back activities of christians Southwest and their blasphemous activities against islam in the 80s and 90s, even way before that as far back as 1945 when Yoruba christians drew caricature of prophet back then given to us in primary school and as a result of their publication in 1994. I have posted their documents here before but you turned blind eye. After Nigeria adopted democratic system of govt in 1999, pastors across the country collected copies of their terror manual called manifesto and removed them from public glare, knowing the consequences pst democracy and sharia north. Their publication would bring them to justice under sharia even under democratic system of govt but it was unfortunately that nigeria was useless from day 1.

No one published such book in western world and not appear before supreme court of justice. Their document was full of hate speeches, threatening messages and blasphemous statements made against islam and muslims in an attempt to cause chaos in the country. Sharia legislation in the north stopped them. Whether you wanna address Holocaust law or not, it is a clear parallel example. You need to stop being lopsided and face the reality. I am fully in support of blasphemy law. The only way to repeal it is for federal govt of Nigeria to un-recognize it, not you. who are you to question the authority?.

Empiree:
No, i dont need to prove it to you on its own merit knowing who you are. I simply had to use simple logic to get you to reason which is holocaust law. Log on internet and you see human right activists fighting harder all these years to repeal holocaust law bcus it is in conflict with freedom of expression and democracy. That's why US rejected the proposal. Yet you have problem with blasphemy law. Nonsense. Law is law. As much as I am against holocaust legislation in Europe and Israel, i can never go there and disobey the law. That's exactly what I am telling you. Neither would i challenge them for their law. I have moral obligation to obey their law regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. If you think you are bigger than law, go to Kano and violate the law and see what happens to you. Again, I dont care who messaged you privately. Thats their prerogative.

To give you quick background on Northern sharia legislation and the so called muslims who messaged you privately, as much northern sharia legislation is not completely islamic but "political sharia", it still serves as deterrent against SW christians and atheists. Sharia legislation was proposed to push back activities of christians Southwest and their blasphemous activities against islam in the 80s and 90s, even way before that as far back as 1945 when Yoruba christians drew caricature of prophet back then given to us in primary school and as a result of their publication in 1994. I have posted their documents here before but you turned blind eye. After Nigeria adopted democratic system of govt in 1999, pastors across the country collected copies of their terror manual called manifesto and removed them from public glare, knowing the consequences pst democracy and sharia north. Their publication would bring them to justice under sharia even under democratic system of govt but it was unfortunately that nigeria was useless from day 1.

No one published such book in western world and not appear before supreme court of justice. Their document was full of hate speeches, threatening messages and blasphemous statements made against islam and muslims in an attempt to cause chaos in the country. Sharia legislation in the north stopped them. Whether you wanna address Holocaust law or not, it is a clear parallel example. You need to stop being lopsided and face the reality. I am fully in support of blasphemy law. The only way to repeal it is for federal govt of Nigeria to un-recognize it, not you. who are you to question the authority?.

Nonsense

This was the picture published in 1945 by Christians. They used to distribute this book when I was in primary school.

AbdulSleeky:



Nonsense

Exactly. When you read truth you get knocked down. It is unfortunate you are not on my whatsapp. I would have sent you many things. Many many things for you to read, watch and listen to what christians have done in nigeria. Maybe then you may understand why North implemented sharia to set them back. Your problem is you don't know what i know. They even got the audacity to write and print Quran of their own christian version in 1945. Where did you ever seen muslims wrote bible?. This is a crime under sharia law. So blasphemy law is law of necessity.

AbdulSleeky:



Nonsense. All other religions have abandoned blasphemy laws. Both Judaism and christianity have blasphemy on their books but today, they dont enforce it.

That's their prerogative. Just bcus they did mean muslims should follow suit?. Rubbish

Empiree:
That's their prerogative. Just bcus they did mean muslims should follow suit?. Rubbish

The other religions abandoned blasphemy laws because they realised that it is natural to question and criticise. It also makes God look weak if humans are fighting and killing for Him.

Blasphemy laws make no sense at all. You are protecting religion that has no rights. People have rights, not religion.

Empiree:
Exactly. When you read truth you get knocked down. It is unfortunately you are not on my whatsapp. I would have sent you many things. Many many things for you to read, watch and listen to what christians have done in nigeria. Maybe then you may understand why North implemented sharia to set them back. Your problem is you don't know what i know. They even got the audacity to write and print Quran of their own christian version in 1945. Where did you ever seen muslims wrote bible?. This is a crime under sharia law. So blasphemy law is law of necessity.

You just made no sense at all.

Why would it be illegal and worthy of arrest for someone print a version of the Quran?

Something is not illegal just because you do not like it.

AntiChristian:


Are we in an Islamic state?
The judge of the state is empowered to give such judgement. Hope you understand.

Is Nigeria/Kano an Islamic state?

Empiree:
This was the picture published in 1945 by Christians. They used to distribute this book when I was in primary school.

So you are also one of the sahabas of Ustaz Adegunwa? The guy is not a real muslim because he is a quranist (quran-only muslim) who does not accept the hadith. He is not even in good terms with Ustaz Yusuf Adepoju of ACADIP because of the alleged fraudulent conversion strategy.

AbdulSleeky:


The other religions abandoned blasphemy laws because they realised that it is natural to question and criticise. It also makes God look weak if humans are fighting and killing for Him.

Blasphemy laws make no sense at all. You are protecting religion that has no rights. People have rights, not religion.

I love your ability for critical thinking and insightful analysis. People have right; not religion. Human right is a sovereign right of all human while religion is optional and fluid.

true2god:
So you are also one of the sahabas of Ustaz Adegunwa? The guy is not a real muslim because he is a quranist (quran-only muslim) who does not accept the hadith. He is not even in good terms with Ustaz Yusuf Adepoju of ACADIP because of the alleged fraudulent conversion strategy.

how's this your headache?. He never said he doesn't believe in Hadith. He said he rejects Hadith that are in conflict with Quran. Isn't that fair statement?. And how is posting his picture makes me his sahabi?

I have told you to think from your head before you talk. Please stop thinking from your anus before you post. Qur'an is constitutional of muslims and world at large. Can you publish your own Qur'an in Saudi Arabia without being jailed?. Can you publish your own version of US Constitution without being jailed?. This is tantamount to treason

AbdulSleeky:



You just made no sense at all.

Why would it be illegal and worthy of arrest for someone print a version of the Quran?

Something is not illegal just because you do not like it.

AbdulSleeky:


The other religions abandoned blasphemy laws because they realised that it is natural to question and criticise. It also makes God look weak if humans are fighting and killing for Him.

Blasphemy laws make no sense at all. You are protecting religion that has no rights. People have rights, not religion.

Do you have sense?. Blasphemy law in Kano is not protecting religion but sacredness of religious figure. What does Holocaust law protects?.

Empiree:
I have told you to think from your head before you talk. Please stop thinking from your anus before you post. Qur'an is constitutional of muslims and world at large. Can you publish your own Qur'an in Saudi Arabia without being jailed?. Can you publish your own version of US Constitution without being jailed?. This is tantamount to treason

The Quran is not a constitution. Your argument is dead on arrival.

It was illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia up until few years ago. Does that mean that the law makes sense? NO

The same way printing your own version/interpretation of the Quran being illegal makes no sense. In fact, some muslims have made a liberal quran.


Printing your own version of the constitution in the USA is not illegal. It is your freedom of speech.

Empiree:
Do you have sense?. Blasphemy law in Kano is not protecting religion but sacredness of religious figure. What does Holocaust law protects?.

Blasphemy law is religious law. Sharia law. Stop trying to deceive and lie.

For your information, many human rights lawyers in the West are against holocaust laws in principle.

That you compare blasphemy laws to another bad law shows that you already agree that blasphemy law is wrong.

You keep making a clown of yourself

true2god:
I love your ability for critical thinking and insightful analysis. People have right; not religion. Human right is a sovereign right of all human while religion is optional and fluid.

Empiree does not believe in human rights....only that which is promised in the Quran. He is a fanatic.

AbdulSleeky:




The Quran is not a constitution. Your argument is dead on arrival.

It was illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia up until few years ago. Does that mean that the law makes sense? NO

. This is Saudi Arabia issue. This has nothing to do with Islam. It was about Saudi Arabia. I have told you to use your services below you post.

The same way printing your own version/interpretation of the Quran being illegal makes no sense. In fact, some muslims have made a liberal quran.

senseless

Printing your own version of the constitution in the USA is not illegal. It is your freedom of speech.

Good. Go and publish your version and tell Americans it is their constitution. By publishing your own version means you altered their constitution not just printing it. You will be jailed. Constitution can only be altered by authority. Christians in 1945 altered Qur'an and published their own version.

AbdulSleeky:


Blasphemy law is religious law. Sharia law. Stop trying to deceive and lie.

For your information, many human rights lawyers in the West are against holocaust laws in principle.

That you compare blasphemy laws to another bad law shows that you already agree that blasphemy law is wrong.

You keep making a clown of yourself

you are speaking up small small. Keep going. I am listening to you. Speak up on Holocaust law. Go ahead