AkinwaleJJ:


Matthew 28:19-20

Please do you think this order from Jesus was given to a fraction of the Christian congregation or all members?

rottennaija:


No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further. Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life. Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

AkinwaleJJ:


Can you please expatiate on the bolded and most importantly the one in blue?
"and by extension, to all" are you saying the order was for all members of the Christian congregation?

rottennaija:


No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further. Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life. Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

rottennaija:

See my response again.
Check all the bolded in my response above. It is evident that no all participated in door knocking. Or do you have the scriptural backing for that?

AkinwaleJJ:


Hmmm, so are you saying some members can claim they love Jesus but rejects being his door to door publicity officers? Act 1:8

rottennaija:


Because door to door public officers were not meant for everyone. By saying the bolded, you impugned in the loyalty and love of these people to Jesus. A more important question for you to answer is, Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

This is the most important question to answer. Note, I mentioned Jesus, Peter, Paul. Can you show one scriptures where they mentioned it?

Note, without having a honest response to this question, you will not know which one is a command of men and which is command from Jesus.

AkinwaleJJ:


Jesus is God's only begotten Son, he has spoken and the order was given to all those who truthfully believe in his name, though he himself said he's going to deny knowing many who claims they performed might works in his name because "they are workers of iniquity"
Equity means participation based on your circumstances, but none participants in the order given by God's only begotten Son means willful disobedience. I think that's why the JWs always encourage all their members to participate your own little quota no matter your circumstances in carrying out the order of this commander! Reve 22:17

Ken4Christ:
The solution is not taking them to court but accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Then join the family of Christians. Find a Christ believing Church to attend and establish new relationship full of love. Jehovah Witness are not Christians. They are wolves in Sheep's clothing.

I challenge Ken4 to show us where Jesus hosted Judas Iscariot after his rebellion.

Only triune pagan idol worshippers like Ken4 no dey shame to prove their disobedience to 2Thess3:6 and 1Corinthians5:11.

rottennaija :


No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further.

Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life.


[s]Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life? [/s]

DappaD:


Please can the OP point to one publication by Jehovah's Witnesses that mentions the highlighted?

Isn't it really obvious now that this misguided young man is seeking undue relevance?

The OP is[b] clearly aware of the beliefs of JW's but for the sake of onlookers who might be misled by his wrong statements,[/b] I encourage such ones to visit the following links, read the brief articles and see for themselves whether what the OP said is true about JW's or if he just wants to distort facts.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/salvation-and-door-to-door-ministry/

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/

rottennaija:


So you have no proof that he preach in neighbourhood. How the jailer whom Paul preach to? How about the Ethiopian Eunuch who Phillips preach to? How about Cornelus? Is there any one verse in the bible where they were told either by Philip or Paul or Peter that Jesus commissioned them to be preaching and teaching from house to house?

Rott Wailer na who do you this thing?

Acts 5:42

"And everyday in the temple and from house to house they continued without let up teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ"

DappaD:


Please can the OP point to one publication by Jehovah's Witnesses that mentions the highlighted?

Isn't it really obvious now that this misguided young man is seeking undue relevance?

The OP is clearly aware of the beliefs of JW's but for the sake of onlookers who might be misled by his wrong statements, I encourage such ones to visit the following links, read the brief articles and see for themselves whether what the OP said is true about JW's or if he just wants to distort facts.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/salvation-and-door-to-door-ministry/

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/

Janosky:


I'm not in the least surprised, 1Cor 5:11 &
2 Thess3:6 confirms Ken4 doesn't even know Jesus Christ.

Expel the Immoral Brother

1 Corinthians5:10-12
…10I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. [/b]12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?…


[b]2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us."

2 Thessalonians 3:6 and 1Corinthians5:11, Do not associate with unrepentant brothers who stopped serving Jehovah God. Shun them.

I challenge Ken4 to show us where Jesus hosted Judas Iscariot after his rebellion.

Only triune pagan idol worshippers like Ken4 no dey shame to prove their disobedience to 2Thess3:6 and 1Corinthians5:11.

rottennaija:


No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further. Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life. Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

Rott Wailer, I ask you again, na who do you this thing?


Ezekiel 33:1-8, did Jehovah God set the standard?
1 Tim 4:16, Paul reiterated it to Timothy.
Preaching and practice what you preach will save you and anyone who listens/practice what he LEARNT.
Acts 20:20-21,25-27, Paul attested "he is free from the blood of all men".
Rott Wailer, for what reason ?

1 Corinthians1:21, " what was preached saved those who believed, are those preaching it not believers?

rottennaija:


Let's see how misguided and seeking undue relevance. See the screenshot below. Do you need more evidence? Of course you know that watchtower has a double tongue, what they tell the public is always a false misrepresentation of reality and you know it. I'll show more evidence that what watchtower put into those FAQ are bareface lies.

Janosky:


Rott Wailer, I ask you again, na who do you this thing?


Ezekiel 33:1-8, did Jehovah God set the standard?
1 Tim 4:16, Paul reiterated it to Timothy.
Preaching and practice what you preach will save you and anyone who listens/practice what he LEARNT.
Acts 20:20-21,25-27, Paul attested "he is free from the blood of all men".
Rott Wailer, for what reason ?

1 Corinthians1:21, " what was preached saved those who believed, are those preaching it not believers?

DappaD:


Please can the OP point to one publication by Jehovah's Witnesses that mentions the highlighted?

Isn't it really obvious now that this misguided young man is seeking undue relevance?

The OP is clearly aware of the beliefs of JW's but for the sake of onlookers who might be misled by his wrong statements, I encourage such ones to visit the following links, read the brief articles and see for themselves whether what the OP said is true about JW's or if he just wants to distort facts.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/salvation-and-door-to-door-ministry/

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/

Ken4Christ:


Please go back and read the post very well. The ex member involved was not the one who committed sexual immorality. Read the part of the article again;

'Haeck was a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses for 35 years and was an elder – someone with considerable authority within his local congregation in Ghent. When he exposed a case of sexual abuse within the congregation, he was officially shunned.'

So, he exposed the immorality going on but he was the one that was shunned. That means they did just the opposite.

Even if someone is caught in the act, the discipline is for a while and not forever especially if the person has repented.

Bros note carefully, (*1) Mr Haeck has economized the truth. The man is deceptive. He has not given the ACTUAL REASON for his excommunication. (The Screenshot confirm the man is deceptive.,)
The whole matter go shele for Court Sha... .

Jehovah’s Witnesses use shunning as a tactic to keep members from being disloyal to the group, he claims. “It’s worse than just being excluded,” Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “From the highest levels of the organisation comes the order that no one is allowed to talk to you, not even your own family. They declare that this person must be avoided ”

(*2)"Is the order to excommunicate from the holy scriptures?
Mr Haeck still economizes the truth.
Let me ask Ken4 ,did 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2Thess3:6 instruct JWs to excommunicate a "Swindler" (deceptive person) like Mr Haeck?

rottennaija:


Let's see how misguided and seeking undue relevance. See the screenshot below. Do you need more evidence? Of course you know that watchtower has a double tongue, what they tell the public is always a false misrepresentation of reality and you know it. I'll show more evidence that what watchtower put into those FAQ are bareface lies.

achorladey:


Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

This is what is before you

The FAQS of the organization you belong say NO the internal publications of the day to day running of your activities the organization you belong says YES.

That should tell you a lot .

You are still citing scriptures that still didn't address the question raised Face what is before you

Ken4Christ:
The solution is not taking them to court but accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Then join the family of Christians. Find a Christ believing Church to attend and establish new relationship full of love. Jehovah Witness are not Christians. They are wolves in Sheep's clothing.

rottennaija:
Jehovah’s Witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12367646_jehovahswitnesses_jpegaadfed984493d700b403c21fe37e0345
BELGIUM
17:02 16/09/2020

The Belgian congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses attended a hearing yesterday in criminal court in response to charges of discrimination based on religious beliefs and incitement to hatred. It is the first time that the Jehovah’s Witness are being tried in a criminal court anywhere in the world.

The congregation, which is based in Kraainem, is being given several months to prepare their case; the trial begins next February. The case follows a five-year investigation by a court magistrate in Ghent in response to complaints filed by Patrick Haeck, an ex-member.

“It’s an important precedent,” Haeck told VRT. “How is it possible that a religious community can commit a crime under the guise of freedom of religion?”

Haeck was a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses for 35 years and was an elder – someone with considerable authority within his local congregation in Ghent. When he exposed a case of sexual abuse within the congregation, he was officially shunned.

‘Shunning’

Jehovah’s Witnesses use shunning as a tactic to keep members from being disloyal to the group, he claims. “It’s worse than just being excluded,” Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “From the highest levels of the organisation comes the order that no one is allowed to talk to you, not even your own family. They declare that this person must be avoided because they have a mental illness that is contagious.”

Several more former Witnesses have joined the complaint, and stories have flowed out from former members who have been shunned. Cecile Temmerman was a Witness for 35 years when her son began to ask critical questions of the congregation's elders.

“I knew hundreds of people in the congregation; almost every day someone came over to visit,” she told Het Nieuwsblad. “From one day to the next, everyone turned their back on me.” She means that literally and figuratively: Witnesses physically turn away from members who are being shunned.

‘In the hands of Satan’

“At a meeting, everyone was warned that my family was in the hands of Satan,” continued Temmerman. “I had literally no one left in my life; the Witnesses make sure that you have no social contact outside the organisation – including family. Even my very best friend wouldn’t speak to me any more. I sank into a depression.”

The prosecutor in Ghent is bringing four charges again the Belgian congregation: for inciting discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs against a person and against a group, and inciting hatred or violence against a person and against a group.

While Jehovah’s Witnesses have been the target of civil court cases before, this is the first time an entire congregation has ever been charged with a crime. Haeck hopes this will set a precedent in other countries.

“Not only for Jehovah’s Witnesses but other religious organisations as well,” he said. “There is a strict separation of church and state. Now that there is more attention being paid to religious extremism, we have to ask ourselves where we draw the line, at what point the state must become involved.”

Photo ©Nicolas Maeterlinck/BELGA

Written by Lisa Bradshaw

https://www.thebulletin.be/jehovahs-witnesses-face-trial-discrimination-and-incitement-hate

Janosky:


Bros, Please confirm to this forum if Acts 5:42 is in your copy of the Bible.

Also, in Acts5:42, which people were teaching and preaching from house to house?

Acts 20:20-21,25. I trust Achorladey memory is very sharp to recall that Paul had a thriving law firm in that scripture.

Rott Wailer & Achorladey, confirm Enemies of Jesus Christ DECEIVING themselves.

DappaD:



Lol lol lol amongst all the reasons there is for JW's preaching, you single one out and try to miscontrue what is intended?

Uncle from what we can gather, since everlasting life is a precious gift, we would want to share the opportunity for others to get that gift. What other means to do that if not by preaching?
If one doesn't preach and teach, then the person in question doesn't value that gift of everlasting life.

KNOWMORE56:



Tomorrow Nairaland GB would deny any thing like this ever happened.

(*2)Bros, Is the order to excommunicate from the holy scriptures?
Mr Haeck economizes the truth.
"Het Nieuwsblad" Newspaper reported 'he claims'

The Bible instructions @ 1 Corinthians5:11-13 and 2 Thess3:6 is in your Bible.
but Mr Haeck, has already "Swindled" you with a FALSE claim.
Please console yourself, you are allowed.

Peacefullove:

For slander.
Ken4Christ is not Christian.

KNOWMORE56:



Tomorrow Nairaland GB would deny any thing like this ever happened.

achorladey:


Perhaps Ken4Christ was following Maximus69 reasoning who stated here on nairaland that the name CHRISTIAN is a CURSED name the reason he said JWS no longer bear the name CHRISTIAN . because the new DIVINE name TRUE WORSHIPPERS are to be as provided in 1931 is JW

There are so many ways to segregate ONESELF. People do so by BASTARDIZATION of a particular name to raise their own COINED name up and above

Peacefullove:


U say?

achorladey:



Mr Haeck economizes the truth that is how denial starts

The very deed Achorladey is doing here.
Bros, You still never confirmed if Acts 5:42 is in your Bible

Janosky:


The very deed Achorladey is doing here.
Bros, You still never confirmed if Acts 5:42 is in your Bible