shadeyinka:

Good argument!

1. How come Jesus spirit had wounds? Was his spirit also crucified with a spiritual nail?

But do spirits have WOUNDS?
2. Let's look closely at some scriptures (if you derive any authority from them)

MaxInDHouse:


Materialised body is for a purpose:- to pass info!
Jesus presented the materialised body to help his loyal but unbelieving friend to know that he's now alive!
He couldn't have been carrying the wound everywhere nah!

ojun50:
Most of them dey talk abnormal sometime, so I no dey surprise

MuttleyLaff:
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I am fortunately not into kissing male arse.
Put it down to vagina envy, luckily
So, by the power vested in me,
I now pronounce you, Aboks ... ignoranus and irrelevant ...
and you may now... kiss my arse and anus too, lmso

shadeyinka:

Why did you avoid each of the scriptural statements in order to advance a cause that is not scriptural but doctrinal.

What do you mean by materialized body for a body is material

The scriptures speaks about "glorified body rather than a materialized body/spirit

Let me advance you sone more scriptures
Mat 16:21:
"From that time forth began Jesus to show to his disciples, how that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day."

Isn't it obvious that the one who was killed is the one who was raised?

Mat 17:23:
"And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry."
Mat 20:19:
"And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to whip, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Is the Him different from the He?
Who was killed and who was raised?

Mat 27:64:
"Command therefore that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away , and say to the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."

Even the unbelieving Jews understood the meaning of RAISED from the dead.

Why would the grave give up those who were dead at resurrection yet for Jesus's resurrection, His body remain unresurrected?

Mar 9:31:
"For he taught his disciples, and said to them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day."
Who did Jesus say will rise after he has been killed?

Can you please show a SINGLE scripture that show
1. What happened to Jesus body?
2. What will finally happen to Jesus body?

I think you follow your organisation's position rather than the plain scriptures

Ken4Christ

I really wonder why adherents of some religious groups don't use their brains. They just follow without questioning when they have the opportunity to read the Bible for themselves.
In case you are not aware, the Jehovah Witness don't believe in the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They claimed he resurrected spiritually without his body.
They said God took his body and since there is no such record in the Bible, it is as good as saying that God stole the body of Jesus. So, they label God as a thief. Read their quote below from their own book; you can live forever in paradise on earth.
'Well, then, what happened to Jesus' fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus' body. Why did God do this? It fullilled what had been written in the Bible. (Psalm 16:lO; Acts 231) Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus' body, even as he had done before with Moses' body. (Deuteronomy 34.5, 6) Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus' disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, not fully appreciate spiritual things.'(Page 144)
In addition, they label Jesus as a trickster. They said Jesus just appeared in a physical body the way Angels do. In other words, he tricked them to believe he was raised in a physical body. Read their quote from the same book;
But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus' side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels have done in the past. In order to convince Thomas who he was, he used a body with wound holes. (Page 145).
Please, humble yourselves and admit you have believed lies all these years. Even a 3 years old child in his right sense won't believe all these lies.

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK nah!
Go use your scriptural whatever to preach and teach, no wahala!

shadeyinka:

An advise to you. Let the scriptures determine your doctrine not man made organisational conjectures!
John 8:32:
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.""

Prov 14:12:
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

MaxInDHouse:


Nah today?
One thing is sure, Jesus is alive, whether in the flesh o or in the spirit, it's a worthless arguement.
At least there is agreement that Jesus is now alive in heaven, so if you say he went with his human body fine, if i say he went with his spirit body ok, you've disappointed yourself saying spirits doesn't eat because they don't have teeth, so go and have a cool drink upon the knockout i gave you, you already know me nah "the Pius one" you can't stand me in scriptural debate when talking about points on topic!
If it's someone else who is ready for the debate i'll feel obliged not you Shadeyinka, you're just a baby Churchgoer!

DappaD:


Just say you are spiritually hungry and JWs will do the honours to feed you.

shadeyinka:

The posts speak for themselves!

Check how many scriptures I've given you that you have a single defence against? None! All you can do is repeat what you've been spoonfed with by wolves in sheep skin in your headquarters.

See what Jesus said:
Luk 24:39:
1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."

That is the uppercut from the mouth of Jesus against your man made doctrine
Any argument different from this is from the antichrist!

shadeyinka:

The posts speak for themselves!

Check how many scriptures I've given you that you have a single defence against? None! All you can do is repeat what you've been spoonfed with by wolves in sheep skin in your headquarters.

See what Jesus said:
Luk 24:39:
1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."

That is the uppercut from the mouth of Jesus against your man made doctrine
Any argument different from this is from the antichrist!

AkinwaleJJ:
The rich man is thirsty but father Abraham said the chasm between them won't allow Lazarus give him water, so pathetic!
Instead of coming out publicly to beg Jehovah's Witnesses for enlightenment, they're trying to use childish method of begging for knowledge.
Let them go and make disciples with what they've got if their tree can bear the fine fruit that's making them envious of Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, sebi you agreed that Jesus is alive now?
Let someone else come forward, you're not fit for this. Omo o keré sí nómbà wa!
So it's well Sir!

MaxInDHouse:


1Corinthians 15:42-45
Jesus is not one of Adam's descendants, he was from the realms above (heaven) John 8:23

When a life lamb is sacrificed to God it's never to be seen again, so the body with which Jesus lived as the son of man is the propitiatory sacrifice for sin, what his followers saw after his resurrection was a make up form of body that he is alive, that's why they failed to recognize him because the former body is gone! Luke 20:15-35; John 20:11-18

This is just one of many secrets that's hidden from this faithless generation, but Jesus himself said "by their fruit you will know them, people don't gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles do they? Every good tree produces fine fruit while routine tree produce worthless fruit, a good tree will not bear routine fruit neither can a routine tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

Anyone who feels he knows better should go and worship with the better group that are producing the FRUIT of God's holy spirit :- LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27} there still remains six other qualities of the FRUIT "PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL" Galatians 5:22-23
So it's not by arguing fruitlessly that Jesus' true followers are identified but "by their FRUIT"

If JWs don't have the Holy Spirit working with them, those qualities of God's holy spirit won't be evident with that group throughout the earth as you're all aware of this fact. James 2:18:26
God bless you!

shadeyinka:

Argue with Jesus's statement


See what Jesus said:
Luk 24:39:
1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."

That is the uppercut from the mouth of Jesus against your man made doctrine
Any argument different from this is from the antichrist!

Blabbermouth:

Okay?

Jesus died with a terrestrial body - that was the lamb sacrificed... Jesus rose with a glorified body (for some reasons, I love to call this body - A celestial Body). We do see that the new body could phase through walls, need no blood, translocate, defy gravity and do other glorious acts of which we cannot speak of for now.
The sacrifice (which is the terrestrial body) was gone and never to be seen again. The replacement? A glorified body! Jesus the Christ never rose as a spirit.

I'm sure you are about to market a group.... Let's see if I guessed right.

Voila! My foreknowledge was accurate. I won't want to start with the many flaws of JW ORG (yeah, their flaws even in the fruit they claim to produce) as there would be no essence derived from such destructive discussion.

It's a matter of choice - Whose words/position will you stick with? The position of the organization you belong to or The Undiluted words from Christ?

shadeyinka:

Argue with Jesus's statement


See what Jesus said:
Luk 24:39:
1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."

That is the uppercut from the mouth of Jesus against your man made doctrine
Any argument different from this is from the antichrist!

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK, go preach and teach what you know!

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK, go preach and teach what you know!

haddeylium:

was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”​—1 Peter 3:​18

Can spirit being transform into a materialized body?

Does Jesus ascends to heaven in both flesh and blood?

can someone retrieve what he sacrificed?

Answers those questions and we won't be having this conversation...

AkinwaleJJ:

The blabbermouth man love how JWs clarify matters but doesn't want to hear us say the wisdom to sought things out is from Jehovah to Jesus to the GB and finally to the entire organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, no personal interpretation!

So he loves hearing people ascribe praise to themselves not to any group, in order not to be compelled to submit to the rules of any group, if i were you, i'll stop entertaining him!

Blabbermouth:

This is one of the reasons why your org. will not be spared when the Lord moves to destroy that disease called "denomination".
Christ Jesus never preached Denominations!
The Early church never practiced Denominations!
The Israelites under Moses never thought of Denominations!
Pledge your allegiance to Christ, my dear Maximus, not some organization!

AkinwaleJJ:

The blabbermouth man love how JWs clarify matters but doesn't want to hear us say the wisdom to sought things out is from Jehovah to Jesus to the GB and finally to the entire organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, no personal interpretation!
So he loves hearing people ascribe praise to themselves not to any group, in order not to be compelled to submit to the rules of any group, if i were you, i'll stop entertaining him!

MaxInDHouse:

It will ever be to the source of the knowledge you're admiring in Maximus Sir! John 9:24-25
So don't ever think Maximus was like this if not for the sake of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization!

shadeyinka:

JW's believe that Jesus didn't resurrect with His body. They believe He resurrected as a SPIRIT!

Confirm if you will

MuttleyLaff:
"See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself;
touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
(i.e. Look at my hands and feet, and see that it's really me.
Touch me, and see for yourselves. Ghosts/spirits don't have flesh and bones, but you can see that I do."
OR
Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me.
Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost/spirit, because ghosts/spirits don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”)"
- Luke 24:39

I'll take the Bible's words any time, all time 24/7/365 days over whatever falsehood JW promotes. Smh

PS: MightySparrow, hi, I am already running late stepping out for work, so will have to return asap once out on the road. Sorry

shadeyinka:

This powerful scripture doesn't move them one bit. The level of brainwash and hypnosis is so deep it's on the realm of demonic.

Luke diffused all arguments with this:

Luk 24:36-43:
"And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the middle of them, and said to them, Peace be to you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said to them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

What could be more clearer than this?

Barristter07:


"When buried, it is a physical body; when raised, it will be a spiritual body. There is, of course, a physical body, so there has to be a spiritual body" - 1Cor 15:44

Do you agree with the Bible Jesus have a spiritual body ?

When something is Spiritual, It is not physical , agree ?

shadeyinka:

This powerful scripture doesn't move them one bit. The level of brainwash and hypnosis is so deep it's on the realm of demonic.

Luke diffused all arguments with this:

Luk 24:36-43:
"And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the middle of them, and said to them, Peace be to you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said to them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

What could be more clearer than this?