Zzor:
Thanks,i get it but you still see some people suffer this very problems even as a devoted Christian,what happened to their prayers since prayers can break any yoke

Yes, Prayers Can Break Any Yoke But What If U Are Ignorant Of D Cause, How Would It Break D Yoke? It Is Only When U Discover Where D Problem Is Coming 4rm & Pray Fervently Against It B4 Results Come. If D Problem Is 4rm D Head & U Are Busy Praying 4 D Legs, Would It Work? No, Dis Where Many Christians Get It Wrong. Dey Pray Amiss. To Come Out Of Dis Bondage Requires Serious Fastings & Prayer.

Truvel:
Yes, Prayers Can Break Any Yoke But What If U Are Ignorant Of D Cause, How Would It Break D Yoke? It Is Only When U Discover Where D Problem Is Coming 4rm & Pray Fervently Against It B4 Results Come. If D Problem Is 4rm D Head & U Are Busy Praying 4 D Legs, Would It Work? No, Dis Where Many Christians Get It Wrong. Dey Pray Amiss.

everything is deep,the more we try to understand God,the deeper it gets

Zzor:
everything is deep,the more we try to understand God,the deeper it gets

It's Real. Especially, Dose Whose Linage Links With Idolatary, Water Spirit Or Any Ungodly Activities Would Experience Dsame Too. Foundational Problems Come Many Ways. E.g Man Shedding Innocent Blood, Man Raping Ladies, Stealing, Arm Robbery, Prostitution, Etc. Any Man Or Woman Dat Doze Any Of Dis Things Is Also Laying A Bad Foundation Which May Also Affect D Life Style Of D Children. Doze Life Styles May Repeat Demselves D Life Of D Children.

Zzor:
everything is deep,the more we try to understand God,the deeper it gets

Kaiiii.. I swaaaar i love deep womens like u I swaaaar. Am happy God created u properly. We really need to link up

Uyi168:
..
Isaiah 45:7 completely disagrees with u..

No it does not!

The Word is "Create"! Now have you asked God what is job of evil according to how He created it? I know you have not meanwhile, you are wrongfully presuming it's purpose.

The Law is good for good, evil for evil. Meaning evil is the Dustbin Truck that comes to clear away all evil from and in the land, Because the Land Must Be Good At all Times in Line with the Commandment of God "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD."

Truvel:
Yes, Prayers Can Break Any Yoke But What If U Are Ignorant Of D Cause, How Would It Break D Yoke? It Is Only When U Discover Where D Problem Is Coming 4rm & Pray Fervently Against It B4 Results Come. If D Problem Is 4rm D Head & U Are Busy Praying 4 D Legs, Would It Work? No, Dis Where Many Christians Get It Wrong. Dey Pray Amiss. To Come Out Of Dis Bondage Requires Serious Fastings & Prayer.

So what's the role of God if he won't automatically cure his children's sufferings?
Will your child be suffering if you were a doctor and knew the cure? Would you let him self medicate in vain wheb you know the proper diagnosis and medicine?

Better not to derail a thread if you have no answer.

Xavfra:


Are you an atheist.....?

I find it funny how a loving God will allow his children suffer and he won't do shit and later he'll be said to be a loving and all powerful God......

We have told you many many times but your iron head can not absorb it, That God can never do a bad thing but it is your wicked self, and your wicked brothers in partnership with Satan, who make you suffer.

Truvel:
Yes, Prayers Can Break Any Yoke But What If U Are Ignorant Of D Cause, How Would It Break D Yoke? It Is Only When U Discover Where D Problem Is Coming 4rm & Pray Fervently Against It B4 Results Come. If D Problem Is 4rm D Head & U Are Busy Praying 4 D Legs, Would It Work? No, Dis Where Many Christians Get It Wrong. Dey Pray Amiss. To Come Out Of Dis Bondage Requires Serious Fastings & Prayer.

take note: you only come out from such bondage by aquiring the right information. Like reading anointed books and listening to xtian messages.

Zzor:
achorladey, freshboi88, bukatyne, johnw89

lie lie rozz
all you habitual liars are paranoid

Joh 8:44  "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Dtruthspeaker:


No it does not!

The Word is "Create"! Now have you asked God what is job of evil according to how He created it? I know you have not meanwhile, you are wrongfully presuming it's purpose.

The Law is good for good, evil for evil. Meaning evil is the Dustbin Truck that comes to clear away all evil from and in the land, Because the Land Must Be Good At all Times in Line with the Commandment of God "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD."

..
Who created evil?

johnw47:


lie lie rozz
all you habitual liars are paranoid

Joh 8:44  "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

i knew you will bring your usuals here,share something mr fake wealthy pastor

Uyi168:
..
Who created evil?

I know where you are going!

God Created Everything including Satan (yes I said it) and Everything He Created WAS GOOD (infact, not just good, but VERY GOOOD) WHEN HE FINISHED CREATING!

If you had studied God's Personality, you would have seen that He has Great Interest And Attachment to THE FIRST of anything, (Satan, Adam, Cain, Enoch, Abraham, Moses, Job, David) and Satan was the First, to break to break from the bounds and Law of Goodness, hence His eternal Curse.

Same thing happened to the Angels Who are inprisoned in hell, same thing happened to man (Adam/Eve).

They were All Very Good until They Excercised their Own Power to Break from their Former Very Goodness.

And it is the Law of God "If you are in the House, you are not outside and if you are outside, you are not in the House; So Also, if you are Good, you are not evil and if you are evil, you are no longer Good!

Ucee1999:


take note: you only come out from such bondage by aquiring the right information. Like reading anointed books and listening to xtian messages.

i disagree with this,you can see I made emphasis on devoted Christians that still suffer

Dtruthspeaker:


We have told you many many times but your iron head can not absorb it, That God can never do a bad thing but it is your wicked self, and your wicked brothers in partnership with Satan, who make you suffer.

Lmaoooooooooo bro


I'm not suffering....neither can I suffer.......


Your evil and heartless God is the real devil

Xavfra:



Lmaoooooooooo bro

I'm not suffering....neither can I suffer.......

Your evil and heartless God is the real devil

leave here already

Zzor:
i disagree with this,you can see I made emphasis on devoted Christians that still suffer

Those who Truly Serve the Lord and call on the His Name, DO NOT SUFFER!

Dtruthspeaker:


Those who Truly Serve the Lord and call on the His Name, DO NOT SUFFER!

Then you are in contrast with Righteousness89 with this comment,but then what do you mean by those that truly serve the lord because I have seen Christian devotees suffer and still die,what would you say about that

Xavfra:


Lmaoooooooooo bro

I'm not suffering....neither can I suffer.......

Your evil and heartless God is the real devil

Now you Confirm and Affirm the Goodness of God, in that, He Gives Good also to the evil man, even when that evil man calls Him evil.

Oh! What a Great Great Very Good Being, for if you take this your nonsense to Wike, Buhari, Trump, Lai Mohammed, you know where you for dey by now!

But you do these things to God Because He is Very very Good and Beyond Comprehension, Very Very Patient and Enduring!

The Bible already answered your question: James 1:13: When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.

The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

Zzor:
Then you are in contrast with Righteousness89 with this comment,but then what do you mean by those that truly serve the lord because I have seen Christian devotees suffer and still die,what would you say about that

I am at variance with Righteousnesd89 and he is wrong! And even when I have contended with him, I saw that he was a stone, so I have left off from contending with him, unless I could not resist challenging him

Therefore, I SAY, VERY CLEARLY, DIRECTLY AND POINTEDLY WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION (and I stand on it), THEY DID NOT SERVE THE LORD FOR IT IS WRITTEN AND I HAVE SEEN IT THAT THOSE WHO TRULY SERVE THE LORD, DO NOT SUFFER AT ALL!

The deeper the wound,the greater the growth of the spirit..Sadam Hussien

chatinent:
The Bible already answered your question: James 1:13: When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.

The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

your last statement is somehow,who owns the world? God's power and might supersedes all the wicked ones which then brings the question again "why are devoted Christians still suffering and some died in the suffering.So far I think Righteousness89's response quenched some part of my curiosity

Zzor:
your last statement is somehow,who owns the world? God's power and might supersedes all the wicked ones which then brings the question again "why are devoted Christians still suffering and some died in the suffering.So far I think Righteousness89's response quenched some part of my curiosity

1 John 5:19.

A message for you today.

https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons- angels-fallen-angels

Zzor:
i knew you will bring your usuals here,share something mr fake wealthy pastor

lie lie rozz
you mentioned me, oh most unintelligent fool

Zzor:
achorladey, freshboi88, bukatyne, johnw 89

and why would you think i would want to share anything with you, a habitual liar

and of course you know that God hates lies and that's why you love
to repeat them over and over again, evil that you are, most duh one:

Joh 8:44  "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 

Isa 3:24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

It's simply a test of patience

Uyi168:
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Who created evil?

God did not create evil because everything He created was good. But He created all intelligent creatures (man & angels) with the ability to choose either Good or bad ( free will). He did this because He wants them to worship Him out of love. Evil came to be from the misuse of the gift of free will by one of His Angels who later came to be known as Satan because of his rebellious act. He craved what belonged to His creator, His father and God and this cravings moved him to action, to do what he thinks would make him to get the worship that God alone deserves.

Zzor:
your last statement is somehow,who owns the world? God's power and might supersedes all the wicked ones which then brings the question again "why are devoted Christians still suffering and some died in the suffering.So far I think Righteousness89's response quenched some part of my curiosity

Yes is true, we r realy suffarrrin
Kaiiii.. please let me enter nah..I beg. Juss once!

ciro11:




God did not create evil because everything He created was good. But He created all intelligent creatures (man & angels) with the ability to choose either Good or bad ( free will). He did this because He wants them to worship Him out of love. Evil came to be from the misuse of the gift of free will by one of His Angels who later came to be known as Satan because of his rebellious act. He craved what belonged to His creator, His father and God and this cravings moved him to action, to do what he thinks would make him to get the worship that God alone deserves.

You watch to many science fiction movies....and you have lost track of reality..

There is no where in all the epic that satan wanted GOds position..satan is god of the air,devil is god of darkness..without them you can not survive ...that is the job God has given them to do..

It is lucifer that rose her self to the pantheon..she was never a member of the Elohim .satan and devil where members...that is the highest divine council of God..she took up the role of goddess of death, andshe asked to be included in the pantheon as a condition for being the goddess of death.no other god wanted to take that role..so she was elevated to it....as they have to be only seven ,ninmah was droped and inanna was added to it..so she became a supreme deity too...it is quite interesting epic..

https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/inanna

The God or the god that the Christian worship is it the creator

Can a creator give birth to a child

Because a creator is always known with the ability to create not the ability to impregnate...

So can a woman born for a creator and that child will be a holy son

How can that son be holy??

The Bible said that there are 3 gods in one...

God the Father...
God the son and God of the Holy Spirit....

So why removing the woman that gave birth to the son from the holy Trinity

It Should be God the Father, Goddess of Mother and the Son....

This makes lots of sense.

But the people who wrote the Bible wanted to give us a figure in the human form as a God for us to see the figure as the most supreme so that we call him a holy son...

If that God was that powerful to give us a holy son why didn't he have to do that without a woman?

That's to tell you that the creator is different from the god the Christians has been teaching us to believe...

I accepted that Jesus is God, marry is a goddess but to say that the creator is the father to Jesus is a lie...

The creator of the universe is unknown..

But he or she certainly is not a God of the Christian..

Some call it Nature...

So I will certainly settles with (Nature)

Yes there are many gods in the universe...

Every part of the world has a God or gods that rules their lands...

That's is why even in the Bible there were many nations with many gods...

The God of Israelites seem to be called the supreme among the rest in the old testament...

And their God was winning many battles for them...

Sometimes they left their God and started worshiping another God and their God will become jealousy and started killing them and cursing them...

So every land have their God or the goddess...

African nations have their gods and goddess...

But we abandoned ours and started to follow the God of Israelites because their book promised us heaven...

African gods and goddess started killing us and cursing us too..

That's why you see many communities are in ruin...

They told you that the shrine is killing you and doesn't allow you to progress...

You call a pastor and go and destroy it..

All of you are dying premature..

Suffer from year to year to no progress...

You have gone from church to church no deliverance...

That is to proof there are gods here in Africa that shouldn't be messed up with...

Just because the missionaries gave us Three Gods in One and promised us mansions in heaven...

They completed the brainwashing by given us fake salvation...

And promised us Everlasting life...

But we to die first before we can have the everlasting life...

And Africa started dying...

Since I was be born till now...

I can tell you of how many people I knew that died and many that has reincarnated I know...

So why are there reincarnating when there should be waiting for trumpet to receive judgement and be enjoying their Mansions in heaven but they are coming back to Earth reincarnating

This is to say nature is indeed the creator...

We go back to where we came from and return back afresh...

Is there anything that doesn't go back where it was formed

Everything on Earth goes back into the Earth...

Nothing is natural that came from the land(soil) Earth that doesn't return back to Earth...

If you build a house one day the house will fall and return back to nature...

Tree will grow old and die and return back to Nature.

The fish will die in the sea and return back to Nature.

You dig well in your house to be fetching water from and you also dig a sucker way pit where water will return back to Earth (nature)

Anything from ground that goes up returns back naturally...

So that's the way it's...

We are born, we live and die and go back to the creator (nature)

If Jesus truly came from heaven why did he has to be buried back again into the Earth

So that's to proof he was a product of Nature just like me and you..

Yes it was a flesh that gave birth to him (Mary)

He may have possessed supernatural power through reincarnation...

As the Bible said he was Elijah who is to come...

That could have made him very unique individual...

The same supernatural power me and you could possess from reincarnation through our Chi...

Most of us it's the gods or deities that reincarnated us...

Purpose for special assignment to humanity...

So let every region focus on their gods for the development of their region...

Bible God and Jesus has never develop Africa rather we have been destroyed and ruined because of them...

Many families, sons and daughters are lost in their own land because of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

And funny enough Jesus can't save us from the powers that is terrorising us from home/foundation...

Because the gods and goddess that is in charge here is most superior than the God who promised you salvation in the name of Jesus...

That stuff can't work here perfectly, because African Land is so powerful...

If it has been working then why haven't you and I exprience great turnaround following Christianity

We Africans pray the most...

We go to church from Sunday, Monday, Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday...And Sunday again..

From year to year...

Yet no results...

The only people who seems to experience results are pastors, pastors children and pastors committed friends...

You have only have to wait for trumpet and received Judgment...

Judgement that you know with all truth that you won't make it...

Because poverty will not allow you to make heaven...

You leave the church and go and find means to survive...

At the end you commit sin...

Just because you want to survive...

There is no platform for you as an African man or woman struggling to survive to make heaven...

Forget.. No way...

But listen...

We have salvation before the missionaries came with the gospel...

But we lost our salvation after the missionaries arrival due to deceit and brainwashing...

The good news is that you can still find your lost salvation again...

Today ask anyone who has successfully aligned with his or her forces...

Ask them they will tell you how happy life has been after their alignment...

No more complications...

Some of us are now enjoying our heavens on Earth...

So if you want to be saved, then Go back to your roots...

May the gods be praised...

sonmvayina:
The God or the god that the Christian worship is it the creator

Can a creator give birth to a child

Because a creator is always known with the ability to create not the ability to impregnate...

So can a woman born for a creator and that child will be a holy son

How can that son be holy??

The Bible said that there are 3 gods in one...

God the Father...
God the son and God of the Holy Spirit....

So why removing the woman that gave birth to the son from the holy Trinity

It Should be God the Father, Goddess of Mother and the Son....

This makes lots of sense.

But the people who wrote the Bible wanted to give us a figure in the human form as a God for us to see the figure as the most supreme so that we call him a holy son...

If that God was that powerful to give us a holy son why didn't he have to do that without a woman?

That's to tell you that the creator is different from the god the Christians has been teaching us to believe...

I accepted that Jesus is God, marry is a goddess but to say that the creator is the father to Jesus is a lie...

The creator of the universe is unknown..

But he or she certainly is not a God of the Christian..

Some call it Nature...

So I will certainly settles with (Nature)

Yes there are many gods in the universe...

Every part of the world has a God or gods that rules their lands...

That's is why even in the Bible there were many nations with many gods...

The God of Israelites seem to be called the supreme among the rest in the old testament...

And their God was winning many battles for them...

Sometimes they left their God and started worshiping another God and their God will become jealousy and started killing them and cursing them...

So every land have their God or the goddess...

African nations have their gods and goddess...

But we abandoned ours and started to follow the God of Israelites because their book promised us heaven...

African gods and goddess started killing us and cursing us too..

That's why you see many communities are in ruin...

They told you that the shrine is killing you and doesn't allow you to progress...

You call a pastor and go and destroy it..

All of you are dying premature..

Suffer from year to year to no progress...

You have gone from church to church no deliverance...

That is to proof there are gods here in Africa that shouldn't be messed up with...

Just because the missionaries gave us Three Gods in One and promised us mansions in heaven...

They completed the brainwashing by given us fake salvation...

And promised us Everlasting life...

But we to die first before we can have the everlasting life...

And Africa started dying...

Since I was be born till now...

I can tell you of how many people I knew that died and many that has reincarnated I know...

So why are there reincarnating when there should be waiting for trumpet to receive judgement and be enjoying their Mansions in heaven but they are coming back to Earth reincarnating

This is to say nature is indeed the creator...

We go back to where we came from and return back afresh...

Is there anything that doesn't go back where it was formed

Everything on Earth goes back into the Earth...

Nothing is natural that came from the land(soil) Earth that doesn't return back to Earth...

If you build a house one day the house will fall and return back to nature...

Tree will grow old and die and return back to Nature.

The fish will die in the sea and return back to Nature.

You dig well in your house to be fetching water from and you also dig a sucker way pit where water will return back to Earth (nature)

Anything from ground that goes up returns back naturally...

So that's the way it's...

We are born, we live and die and go back to the creator (nature)

If Jesus truly came from heaven why did he has to be buried back again into the Earth

So that's to proof he was a product of Nature just like me and you..

Yes it was a flesh that gave birth to him (Mary)

He may have possessed supernatural power through reincarnation...

As the Bible said he was Elijah who is to come...

That could have made him very unique individual...

The same supernatural power me and you could possess from reincarnation through our Chi...

Most of us it's the gods or deities that reincarnated us...

Purpose for special assignment to humanity...

So let every region focus on their gods for the development of their region...

Bible God and Jesus has never develop Africa rather we have been destroyed and ruined because of them...

Many families, sons and daughters are lost in their own land because of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

And funny enough Jesus can't save us from the powers that is terrorising us from home/foundation...

Because the gods and goddess that is in charge here is most superior than the God who promised you salvation in the name of Jesus...

That stuff can't work here perfectly, because African Land is so powerful...

If it has been working then why haven't you and I exprience great turnaround following Christianity

We Africans pray the most...

We go to church from Sunday, Monday, Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday...And Sunday again..

From year to year...

Yet no results...

The only people who seems to experience results are pastors, pastors children and pastors committed friends...

You have only have to wait for trumpet and received Judgment...

Judgement that you know with all truth that you won't make it...

Because poverty will not allow you to make heaven...

You leave the church and go and find means to survive...

At the end you commit sin...

Just because you want to survive...

There is no platform for you as an African man or woman struggling to survive to make heaven...

Forget.. No way...

But listen...

We have salvation before the missionaries came with the gospel...

But we lost our salvation after the missionaries arrival due to deceit and brainwashing...

The good news is that you can still find your lost salvation again...

Today ask anyone who has successfully aligned with his or her forces...

Ask them they will tell you how happy life has been after their alignment...

No more complications...

Some of us are now enjoying our heavens on Earth...

So if you want to be saved, then Go back to your roots...

May the gods be praised...

Wise one,continue.

sonmvayina:
The God or the god that the Christian worship is it the creator

Can a creator give birth to a child

Because a creator is always known with the ability to create not the ability to impregnate

Addendum!

First, there was no impregnation but an Implantation. (The First Surrogacy Case)

And this is why I call you foolish and very blind! Even when you have eyes, you see not.

I have answered you severally and you could not rebut. So let me give you a different answer today.

It is the Law, A Creator Does whatever He Likes!
Benjamin Holt, a creator, made the Caterpillar and put himself in it and came out of it.

Mr Toyoda, Carl Benz, Henry Ford, Maybach all creators themselves, made the Camry, Mercedes Benz, Ford, Maybach and put themselves into Their creations and came out of it.

The Wright Brothers put themselves into their creations, the Aeroplane and came out of it.

I have told you before, that, that is the Power of a Creator, He Can Do Anything He Desires to Do, but your spiteful wicked soul will not let you hear.

This is Not a Novelty but in line with the Usual Practices and Laws, of Creators!