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Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by achorladey: 8:20pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ: The same KJV that other Christian denomination had been using before the founders of the organization you belong were born. The same KJV the founders of the organization you belong met in the organized christian denominations they belong before they become JWS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:45pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Myer: You win jare, you win the arguement! ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 10:06pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
sagieramos: I can post the full story to you. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 10:21pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
sagieramos: You teach that second death means none existence but I want to prove you wrong. The book of Revelation revealed that the first beast and the false prophet were cast into the Lake of fire after Jesus defeated them in battle. Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. According to your teaching, we shouldn't hear about them again as the Lake of fire means second death which to you is none existence. After they were thrown into the Lake of fire, Satan was bound for 1,000 years and Jesus established his millennium reign on earth for this period. Revelation 20:1-4. 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. After the 1,000 years was over, Satan was loosed for a season and he went to gather armies to attack the saints of God but fire came down from heaven and devoured the armies. Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Read what happened to the devil; Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Verse 20 says that the devil was cast into the Lake of fire. It added, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE. So the beast and the false prophet that were cast into the same Lake of fire over 1,000 years before Satan joined them are still there. They didn't not disappear into oblivion. This reference is enough to prove to you that the Lake of fire is real and the torture is forever and ever. What other proof do you need? If you don't believe this revelation, you are deliberately rejecting the truth of God's word and you will be in the same Lake of fire the beast and the false prophet will be thrown into. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by sagieramos(m): 11:12pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Ken4Christ:You've not be able to understand the basics teachings of other simpler part of the scriptures that was written literally, it's revelation that is written in signs (rev 1:1) you're trying to decipher. At bolded, the same revelation gave us the interpretation of lake of fire, it means second death according to rev 21:8 |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by sagieramos(m): 11:21pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Ken4Christ:They are many popular confessions I once believed which later turns out to be false. Quick question: where was Lazarus before Jesus resurrected him? heaven or hellfire? |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 11:21pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
The guy is just a con artist. Just ask him whether death and Hades(hell) that will be thrown into the same lake of fire will literally suffer torment forever and watch him rush to give another meaning to it. (Revelation 20:14) ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by sagieramos(m): 11:45pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
DappaD:The guy stubborn sha... Maybe he thinks JWs are having competitions with him and his pastor, we're not. We're only sharing the truth we were once ignorant of. I pray his heart become soften and accept this obvious truth. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:08am On Sep 28, 2020 |
sagieramos:Some unfortunate parents do have such diehard atheist amidst their children! I pity his JW parents for their loss, because he is an incurable wound in his mother's heart and that's what will bring the old woman to her grave with sorrow! ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 8:28am On Sep 28, 2020 |
sagieramos: Both first and second death doesn't mean a cessation of existence. This is where your problem lies. The dead are conscious. Their souls lives on. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by sagieramos(m): 10:58am On Sep 28, 2020 |
Ken4Christ:God created Adam from the dust and breath into his nostril and he became a living soul (Gen 2:7). This means that dust and breath comes together to form a soul Dust + breath = Soul Can a soul die? The soul that sinneth, it shall die... —Ez 18:20a kjv Soul - Breath = DustYes, a soul can die and become dust. The above equation agrees with Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. —Ecc 3:20 kjv According to Ez 18:20, only those that have sinned will die. Who are those that have sinned? "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." —Psalm 51:5, kjv For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom —3:23 kjv Everyone have sinned according to the above Bible text What does it mean for a soul to die? For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecc 9:5 kjv A dead soul is unconscious of nothing. They don't have any memory, neither can they think of anything, nor feel pain. They are not tormented in hellfire so to speak... Can the dead come back to life? And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.—Act 24:15 kjv Another question I would like you to answer On the day of resurrection, would Jesus call out those inside hellfire and heaven to be judged again? |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by achorladey: 2:45pm On Sep 28, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ: You can't even answer the observation I tasked you about the people you love to call FALSE CHRISTIANS if they carry WMD, armour tanks, lance, guns whenever they pass in front of your house when going to their place of worship. If you like call it baseless argument, baseless discussion. Its your palaver to sort. KJV imparted the life of JWs long before they are known as JWS. Since it imparted positively in the life of JWs that is enough indicator that it many other group had done positive stuff using the same KJV. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by achorladey: 2:49pm On Sep 28, 2020 |
rottennaija: It is LAUGHABLE when they require names. Seeking glory before men. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 12:01am On Sep 29, 2020 |
sagieramos: Yes, there are passages where the word soul also refers to the person. But just as many words can have multiple meanings depending on the context it is used. So, you have to determine the meaning of every word taking cognizant of the context it is used. There are Scriptures that separates the soul from the body and from the spirit also. In this context, it doesn't refer to the total being. Let's look at a few of them; 1Thesalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Here, the Scripture separates the spirit, soul and body. Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Here our Lord Jesus also separates the body from the soul. He said you can kill the body and not be able to keep the soul. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hear it says that God's word can divide the spirit from the soul. One last example is concerning Jesus: Acts 2:26-27 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Hear, it says God did not leave the soul of Jesus in hell and didn't allow his body to decay. Even if you check out the dictionary meaning of soul, no dictionary will ascribe just one meaning to it. Check out what an online dictionary has to say about soul 1.(religion, folklore) The spirit or essence of a person usually thought to consist of one's thoughts and personality. Often believed to live on after the person's death. ▼ show 2.The spirit or essence of anything. 3. Life, energy, vigor. ▼ show 4.(music) Soul music. 5.A person, especially as one among many. ▼ show 6.An individual life. Fifty souls were lost when the ship sank. 7.(math) A kind of submanifold involved in the soul theorem of Riemannian geometry. You see the multiple meaning of the word soul. You are only emphasizing the sixth meaning. And it will be wrong to assume that is the meaning everywhere you see the word soul. If you have problem understanding this, please go back to school. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 12:17am On Sep 29, 2020 |
sagieramos: I have given you proof that those thrown into the Lake of fire didn't disappear. The beast and the false prophet thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 are still there after over 1,000 years and Satan himself joined them in Revelation 20:10. What other proof do you need. Must you hold on to your opinions even in the face of contrary evidences? This is how pride will destroy most of you. You feel nobody can teach you and you can never be wrong. You still have the opportunity to accept the truth and stop spreading falsehood that will put you in danger of God's judgment. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 1:07am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Stg man, you're so emotional. ![]() You're the same person who accused Solomon of writing incorrect statements at Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 just because you don't want to accept that the dead know nothing at all. ![]() When JW's tell you the truth, you won't calm down and learn. ![]() JWs say wicked people will be destroyed forever in a “lake of fire” meaning a death without hope for resurrection and with no trace of existence. And it so happens that our claims are scriptural —Psalm 37:10, 104:35, Proverbs 2:22, Revelation 21:8 but you on the other hand want people to literally burn forever in your mythical apologetic nonsense of a ‘hellfire’ which has no scriptural backing BUT you still claim it is JW's who are devilish and demonic. ![]() Can't you see the irony here? ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MuttleyLaff: 2:32am On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD:At first death, man, though oblivious of what is going on in the land of the living, is very much conscious and to a certain degree knows, all, in the land of the dead. Case in point, the rich man in the parable about Lazarus and the rich man., lmso |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Janosky: 2:39am On Sep 29, 2020 |
rottennaija: [b]Rott Wailer hardly thinks about JW matters wey him post JW matters full him profile. Rott Wailer Mr LIENUS ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MuttleyLaff: 3:01am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Ken4Christ:At first death, man though oblivious of what is going on in the land of the living, is very much conscious in the land of the dead. Case in point, the rich man in the parable about Lazarus and the rich man. Trust this, second death, means an emphatic and inconvertible cease of existence. One word for the second death, is: Annihilation, lmso. Of course, in the land of great beyond, the dead are conscious, but they are unable to be relevant with and/or be connected to the land of the living. Familiar spirits might fool the easily influenced that the dead communicate with the living, lmso sagieramos:You're are conflating and ordinarily confusing the Lake of Fire with Sheol/grave/Hell/Hades/Gehenna. We are destined to almost all die twice. Those who dont die twice, will die the second death in the Lake of Fire, lmso. If you know this, you know. Who no know this, no go know and I apologise. lmso Ken4Christ: MuttleyLaff:I think Vanna Bonta RIP, is her name, who said: "The body knows no pain, not like the soul. At least a nerve has limits, a body part, a name. But the soul... the soul... There is no bandage ..." I can imagine how much Eve must have felt in her soul, and intensely she grieved, after she instantaneously spiritually died and then she realised that she and Adam have lost their glorified body, that on top on fallen from grace to grass, they are now vulnerably nakedly to the harsh, hostile, fierce and ravaging elements of nature without so much of any measurable protection. I can imagine her nostalgia for Eden, its perks and benefits, lost, but then this her feeling of intense sorrow was told her, will worsen, get worse, as in meaning the sorrow will increase. The redeeming grace of God in all this, 4000 years later after that garden of Eden ignominy event, is that the glorified body, the spiritual death, that A&E died in the garden of Eden, is what God with the intervention of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ archetypically came on earth for to resurrect. Praise God! Alleluia!! Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is the first born from the spiritually dead. For, as in Adam, all die, so also in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, shall all be made alive. But there is an order to this resurrection: The Mashiach/Messiah was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to the Mashiach/Messiah will be spiritually raised with glorified bodies when He comes back (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23) People keep mistaking spirit for soul. The two are distinct and different from each other. We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are souls, infused with the breath ruach of God, that makes us spiritual beings on a human journey. We are spiritual beings, having a human being experience on earth. Other spiritual beings, like celestial beings or extra terrestrial beings aka angelic hosts of heaven, do not have privilege of having a human being experience on earth, like we do or like how Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ for 331/2 years on earth did, lmso. "And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." - Matthew 10:28 Your soul is you. Your soul is also the most important part of you, worthy enough to be sought after by the devil and worthy enough for God to die for, in place of you. The spirit of God instilled/ breathed in you, comes and goes back to God after death. Your spirit, is your conduit that connects and/or tunes you, in with the Spirit, which God is. You see, the life of the soul is in the spirit, just as the life of body, is in the blood. It is the soul, and not the spirit, that is going to be destroyed. That word "Gehenna" in Matthew 10:28 as seen above, is used as a symbolic designation for the final place of punishment of the ungodly. What's Gehenna sef? Well it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse or rubbish site and so was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of Fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things, just as Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem) Your human body is an earth suit, when you snuff it, the spirit returns back to its Owner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place, pending the day of judgment when you will come forward to give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed. For the spirit breathed into man goes back to God after death, the soul however goes a place to await judgement at the appointed time. On that day, during that time, by your words, you will be acquitted, and by your words, you will be condemned, lmso. May God have mercy on hardened souls, lmso. These simples, should be enough for now, lmso. PS: Regarding MightySparrow "How is glorious body different from those of spirits? Luke 24:39, are spirits entities also?" question MightySparrow, in the beginning, A&E, the first circa 6000 years ago terrestrial beings, unlike other spiritual beings like the celestial beings or extra terrestrial beings aka angelic hosts of heaven, had glorified bodies. Spirits are incorporeal entities, however, spirits, just as the Luke 24:39 you quoted MightySparrow above, provided/provides clear evidence that spirits, don't have flesh and bones, lmso. I am sensing saying too much and running the risk of causing information overload, so will pause here |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Judybash93(m): 3:35am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Shunning me will be a blessing in disguise |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MuttleyLaff: 4:10am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Craziness is good, lmso. Great ideas dont come from average minds, hence why we're all born crazy, lmso. I love crazy posters who dont give a f |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by rottennaija(m): 4:32am On Sep 29, 2020 |
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Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 8:10am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 and Psalm 146:4 disagree with that point of view. His breath of life(lifeforce) goes out and his thoughts perishes on the very day the human dies. The rich man and Lazarus story remains a parable with a different meaning and doesn't apply here. There's nothing in the Scriptures that supports your assertion. Unless you're ready to tell us where God said Adam would go to and where he is presently? Shey God said Adam would go to a spirit realm abi? Or you don sabi pass God make we know. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 10:00am On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD: But I just proved to you from the Scripture that second death doesn't mean anhilliation from the story of the beast and the false prophet that were thrown into the Lake of fire and after 1,000 years they were acknowledged to still be there. If you don't believe this record, they you have a problem with your mind. Your mind is pre set to hold on to your opinions even in the face of contrary evidence. In case you pretend not to have read the verses, see them again; Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is over 1,000 years between both verses. In addition, verse 10 of chapter Revelation 20 says that they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. I thought the English used is simply enough. These agents of darkness known as the Jehovah Witness will still come up with a defense even in the face of this glaring truth. Continue. Your judgment is certain and your punishment is sure. Your brains will reset by the time you are cast into the same Lake of fire. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by AkinwaleJJ(f): 10:08am On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD: I really pity the boy, because he's so emotional about this hellfire stuff, he doesn't know that the false doctrines was concocted by Apostates to instill fear in the minds of Churchgoers back in those days, it's never part of what the Bible really reach! |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 10:10am On Sep 29, 2020 |
You will rove and scavenge around the Scriptures but you'll never have the full and accurate understanding of anything. ![]() I doubt if 2Timothy 3:7 can be applied to you—because you're in a very bad spiritual condition. So far Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group who treat the Bible as one composite book with a unifying theme so if one part of the Bible is unclear to us, we'll seek understanding and interpretation from other parts of the Bible. (Romans 15:4, 2Timothy 3:16) So if you like, continue arguing and fighting with JWs but we all know you'll remain thirsty and hungry as long as it pertains to anything concerning the Scriptures. (Isaiah 65:13) ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 10:23am On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD: Your problem is pride. You don't know how to admit that you have believed lies on these years. It is your pride that will destroy you. Embrace the truth and be free. They are staring right at your face. You can't refute the Scriptures I have quoted. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 10:28am On Sep 29, 2020 |
It's okay. There's no problem. Just be sure to make use of the knowledge you think you've gathered from the Bible and go and make disciples with your hellfire doctrine in the name of your trinity god. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Ken4Christ: 1:50pm On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD: It is not my doctrine. It is clearly taught in the Bible. It was originally prepared for the devil but man chose to join him. Hence Jesus said to the goats, Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. So it's your choice. Since you chose to ignore the warning, you will join the devil there. But if you repent and believe the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, you will make heaven. |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 2:17pm On Sep 29, 2020 |
I Don hear you na, shuu? I said go and make disciples for your trinity god if you're okay with that. ![]() |
Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:43pm On Sep 29, 2020 |
DappaD: The type of fear those false stories and make believe dramas regarding their fairy hellfire has blurred all their senses completely! He just feel like running away to heaven even when he doesn't know what those going will do there! ![]() |
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