Barristter07:


you accepted Jesus form is like that of the Angels. Angels dont have a combination of Spirit and physical. If thats the case, Jesus wont need to become human to save us . Think

you are a pure liar raising your opinion above Gods word

Barristter07:


So going by this, the human body wont decompose, it will be changed ?? hmmm, u get sense die . How come bodies of belivers get rotten ...

Barristter07:

if this is the case Jesus wont have need to be born as a baby Since they already possess physical body, its wrong to say he become human since he had it already . That body they had is a camouflage. thats why its called materialized, if english is the problem, use the dictionary bro

Barristter07:

Finally, you accepted the truth. Angels are not humans , they only materialize.

Barristter07:

Bible said He make his Angels SPIRiT, thats the form of God the Father too ... like the Heavenly one , so are those in heaven. Jesus is a Spirit being.

shadeyinka:

I hope you've learnt a lesson or two from this. Do not rate anything (not even any organisation) above Christ and His Words.

MaxInDHouse:


Christ is now a KING remember?

So if you can't present any organization that's obeying him as ruler on this planet today, then it simply means you don't know anything about Jesus of Nazareth!

I present to you the one and only organization of LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27}

They are known globally today as
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Apart from their gathering, Jesus' teachings is not effective nor operational anywhere! John 17:20-23

shadeyinka:

Let God boast in you. Let the people glorify God through your acts of love.
Self pray amounts to nothing. I don't know anyone of you with such qualities.
I will rather make my boast in Christ alone

shadeyinka:

You have entered the dummy mode again!
After resurrection with a glorified body that is not subject to corruption, you still expect the body to rot?

Even a toddler will have a better comprehension.

Compare with what I wrote and stop being used by your lying spirit.



Reasoning like a child again; did I tell you that angels are human?
Read up my post again. Resist the lying spirit that has chosen to possess you.


John 1:14:
"And the Word became flesh , and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of [the] Father, full of grace and of truth."

MaxInDHouse:


Another misconception leading you astray!

None of Adam's imperfect descendants can possess those qualities, not even half of it my guy, those are the Qualities of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit! Galatians 5:22-23
The one and only human who possessed it all was Jesus of Nazareth, that's why observers could say about him You are the son of God {Matthew 16:16} God never expected any human to possess those qualities completely for now because of our limitations, that's what the inspired writers referred to as God's undeserved kindness (grace) because despite the fact that God hates sin, he overlooked our sinful nature and started having dealings with us on the basis of the sacrifice offered on our behalf by his son! Hebrew 4:16
So don't be fooled, no human can possess those qualities for now, but as a group (Organization) that Jesus is leading, everyone will notice those qualities in their movement, not because each individual in the Organization have it but due to the Wonderful Counselor leading the group, everyone will perceive that these people are just normal imperfect humans like all others but there is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL permeating their midst! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to John 17:20-23

shadeyinka:
As usual, see how you dodged the issues raised in my post.

His spiritual eyes were opened meaning: His eyes were opened to see into the spirit realm

Jesus had a glorified body!
Phil 3:21:
"Christ will, through his power, bring everything under his authority. He will change our humble bodies and make them like his glorified glorious body literally and figuratively: body of his glory. He is able to subject all things to himself."

Can you show a single Scripture that says Jesus resurrected with a spirit body?

Are you saying that a vision is a meaningless array of visuals or spiritual realities?
2Kin 6:17:
"And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray you, open his eyes , that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."

Was the young man blind before?
Was the vision a spiritual reality or meaningless array of images?

Barristter07:


You quoted this " Who shall change our vile body , that it may be fashioned like to his glorious body,"

Emphasis on " Change "

You claimed Jesus human body was changed to a glorified one , not that it was disposed.... So which means believers body too will not experience corruption but be changed into a glorified one .

Ken4Christ ... It's obvious you all hijacked a conversation u can't handle.

I need a response, will bodies be changed like that of Christ ?



Good. Angels are spirit , Jesus is a Spirit too .

Thank you.

Let it sink, Jesus have the same Form like all the heavenly ones. Pure scripture

shadeyinka:

I don't know if it's a problem of comprehension or IQ. All that can be seen is that you don't make sense!

shadeyinka:

God wouldn't command that which is impossible to exhibit
Gal 5:22-26:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law. But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with [its] passions and lusts. If we live in [the] Spirit, let us also walk in [the] Spirit. Let us not become glory-seeking, provoking one another, envying one another."
See why you do not even bear any fruit @highlight. Self praise over nothing.

Rather, it is easy for you to exhibit the fruit of the flesh!
Gal 5:19-21:
"Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Barristter07:


Humans don't have spiritual body, nothing like spiritual eyes, is this how u lie to your church members ??

Barristter07:

1Pet 3:18

Killed in the flesh (human being) , Made alive in the spirit. (spirit being )

Barristter07:

Vision is not reality.

MaxInDHouse:


Walahi Talahi you're making this sound funnier than ever!

So you're still going astray without comprehending what God's word is saying.

But for the benefit of other followers i'll throw the light.

Paul is saying we need those qualities to live forever in God's kingdom, but the former is what our human flesh is exhibiting.
So if a Christian is making progress in exhibiting part of those qualities, let him not boast or compare himself to another Christian brother or sister who is slow in exhibiting it.
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are saying once a person continue making use of all the provisions Jehovah is making available through those taking the lead in his organization {Hebrew 13:7,17} we will continue washing our robes gradually until the desired result is achieved Isaiah 1:18 compare to Revelations 7:13-14

Those qualities are the desired results God is expecting before we can be ushered into everlasting life, but first each person must humble himself/herself to find out {Zephaniah 2:2-3} which group God is using to dispense timely counsel {Matthew 24:28} and with them each person can start learning what remains that he needs to work on because some finds it easy to exhibit certain qualities while it might be difficult for some, that's why Paul said we need not compare ourselves to others!

So if you're not part of those learning through the arrangement, you can never meat up with the desired results, because each week we are having timely instructions in form of counseling globally {Matthew 24:45} which all those outside the organization are missing!

MaxInDHouse:

......
I present to you the one and only organization of LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27}
...
They are known globally today as
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
...

Barristter07:


You quoted this " Who shall change our vile body , that it may be fashioned like to his glorious body,"

Emphasis on " Change "

You claimed Jesus human body was changed to a glorified one , not that it was disposed.... So which means believers body too will not experience corruption but be changed into a glorified one .

Ken4Christ ... It's obvious you all hijacked a conversation u can't handle.

I need a response, will bodies be changed like that of Christ ?



Good. Angels are spirit , Jesus is a Spirit too .

Thank you.

Let it sink, Jesus have the same Form like all the heavenly ones. Pure scripture

Barristter07:


Jesus body wasnt disposed it was CHANGED , oga prove your claim that believers body will b changed to a glorious one.

If Jesus former body wasnt disposed, Do u agree believers body too will not be disposed BUt changed to a glorious one ??

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Barristter07:


Those wounds are prove that's not Jesus glorified body, the spiritual body doesn't have Defects

Don't you read this in the Bible ?

" It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. " 1Cor 15:43

It wasn't raised in DISHONOR. The wound are a DISHONOR.



They can take a body. Note the difference.

haddeylium:

Evening !

in a simple and clear terms..

How do you understand this statement

Jesus sacrificed his body(flesh)

while you're at it, check for the meaning of sacrifice in your dictionary .

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shadeyinka:

@highlight
You just love inventing lies and hoping that that's what you've heard the other person say! SMH!!

Believers body changed: let me oblige you
1Cor 15:51-54:
"Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

1Ths 4:16-17:
"For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord."

Phil 3:21:
"who shall change our body of humiliation so that it may be fashioned like His glorious body , according to the working of His power, even to subdue all things to Himself."

See how Christ is described as having a glorious body!
Unfortunately, the truth is useless to the spiritually dead

I do not know what you mean by DISPOSED!

Ken4Christ:


How could I have hijacked a thread I started? Please, don't compare Jesus with Angels.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

As for the issue of glorified body, only the redeemed of the Lord will put on a glorified body.



The bodies of lost souls resurrected for final judgment will be destroyed in the Lake of fire.

shadeyinka:

See how you contradict yourself with1Pt3:18
1Ths 5:23:
"And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2Kin 6:17:
"And Elisha prayed and said, I pray You, LORD, open his eyes so that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."


1Pet 3:18-19: "For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; in which also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,"
Conveniently, you'll ignore the @blue because it doesn't serve your error.

When did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison? (Before His resurrection or after)?

Who are the spirits in prison?

As usual, I expect you to avoid answering this direct questions!

Stop misquoting words.

Vision is not a spiritual reality!?

Then, why did the angels claim he could have killed Balaam if his ass hadn't stopped?
Num 22:33:
"And the ass saw Me and turned from Me these three times. Unless she had turned from Me, surely now I also would have killed you and saved her alive."

"A vision is not reality" indeed!

See how the scriptures have disgraced your organisation's conjectures!

MightySparrow:
Jesus walked on water and the disciples thought they saw a spirit. He transfigured before thee disciples before His death and resurrection.
1. Did he do this feats in glorious body?
2. Was He a spirit in His earthty ministry?

MuttleyLaff:
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What points are you trying to make here?

I am sure you unreservedly agree and accept that God is Spirit, yeah? If yes, then what part of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, God in human flesh body, dont you understand or get, hmm?

Please tell, did Apostle Peter, did he too not walk on water, defying gravity, hmm? Why aren't you asking if he too was a spirit in his earthly ministry or if Peter walked on water in a glorified body?

John 11:27

She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”

Compare John 3:16 to John11:27 & Romans 8:3.


Matthew 28:18, where did Jesus Christ acquire power to walk on water?


Triune idol worshippers FALSELY claiming they know more than Jesus Christ

shadeyinka:

A JW main scripture is their organizations books of doctrines. When the bible is in direct contradiction of their doctrine, they go with their doctrine.

It's a case of deep hypnosis and brainwashing that they aren't even aware of how enslaved they've become.

It's like demonic enslavement. I pray the Lord opens their eyes and set them free

Ken4Christ:


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

He was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father and Jesus is the express image of that glory.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high..

But is this really your problem?

Our Lord Jesus rose from the dead bodily. His body underwent transformation such that it is no longer sustained by blood but by the Spirit of God.

Hence, Jesus didn't call his body, flesh and blood but he called it flesh and bones. It is a glorified body and the Bible promised ours also will be transformed to be like that of Jesus.

He told Thomas, I am not a spirit because I have flesh and bones, not flesh and blood.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

Janosky:
John 11:27

She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”

Compare John 3:16 to John1 1:27 & Romans 8:3.


Matthew 28:18, where did Jesus Christ acquire power to walk on water?


Triune idol worshippers FALSELY claiming they know more than Jesus Christ

shadeyinka:

I wonder what your objective was with this post. Let's take your first scripture
Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body

1. Is it our BODIES that would be Transformed or our SPIRIT?
If it is our bodies, why should Jesus case be an exception?
What then happens to the physical body of Christ? Is it kept in the heavenly Musium?
2. Please note the @blue. Whose BODY is this scripture speaking about? Why is the scripture not written as "...His glorious spirit" ?

I expect you as usual to go tangent to these questions.

Please next time follow the scriptures rather than some man made undefendable positions.

Phillipians 3:20-21, Christ is in heaven when Paul wrote that.
1 Cor15:48-50,Bros, can human flesh/body exist in heaven?
Phillipians 3:20-21, Jesus will transform human bodies into spiritual bodies for heavenly citizenship

John 4:24. God is a spirit being. Hebrew9:24. Christ the life giving spirit in heaven will appear before his God in heaven..
Trinity fall yakata.. Yamutu Yakari


John 6:51& Hebrews10:10, is what happened to Christ fleshly body. Inspired utterance of Jesus and Paul .

2)
1 Cor15:40,44-45, glorified spiritual body of Christ the life giving spirit .
Shadeyinka problem is he mistakenly conclude that "Body" is strictly flesh/human.

1Cor15:40,44-45 first Adam human being/body.
2nd Adam, Jesus is a spiritual being/ body.

1 Cor15:40,44-45 is saying Shadeyinka "Receive Sense" you are wrong.

shadeyinka:

Why do you like shamelessly contradicting yourself. For someone who just boasted in their organizations credentials
You are certainly harbouring a lying spirit!

MuttleyLaff:
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What points are you trying to make here?

I am sure you unreservedly agree and accept that God is Spirit, yeah? If yes, then what part of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, God in human flesh body, dont you understand or get, hmm?

Please tell, did Apostle Peter, did he too not walk on water, defying gravity, hmm? Why aren't you asking if he too was a spirit in his earthly ministry or if Peter walked on water in a glorified body?

MightySparrow:
transfiguration?