Janosky:

The one you learnt from JWs which you have given the evidence on this thread

I remember you, you and Haddey were my lab rat - we have babes in false doctrines and Matured ones in falsehood.
Even in falsehood, you are a babe.

Blabbermouth:

Just like other denominations, yours was also not God's plan.
In an Ekklesia, there are no denominations.

2 Chronicles 7:14. Acts 15:14. Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) is the only Ekklesia Jehovah recognizes..
Acts3:13, Jesus is one of them

AkinwaleJJ:


Thanks for sharing your time with Jehovah's witnesses Mr blabbermouth!

Future angelic creature, when you become one, greet Gabriel for me

Janosky:


2 Chronicles 7:14. Acts 15:14. Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) is the only Ekklesia Jehovah recognizes..
Acts3:13, Jesus is one of them

Another witness should speak, I'm tired of whipping you.

MaxInDHouse:


Mama Ajérìí said i should allow you to breathe so feel relax my guy Jehovah's Witnesses won't force anyone to accept the truth, the only problem is your truth will only remain your PERSONAL opinion when Jesus is gathering his own followers together in the real TRUTH! John 17:17, 20-23

Sweetheart, I hope you become an angelic creature. Alll the best.

Blabbermouth:

I remember you, you and Haddey were my lab rat - we have babes in false doctrines and Matured ones in falsehood.
Even in falsehood, you are a babe.

You still can't deny the truth in the screenshot you learnt them from JWs..
What is the falsehood there?

Let me go to DappaD's thread, I loved something Emusan said there, I might share it here.
By the way, I might throw in some light there to, why tarry here? Let's go there and catch some fun.

Blabbermouth:

Another witness should speak, I'm tired of whipping you.

Braggadocio
Puffed up with pride

You shared with us what JWs taught you ( you try I must say), na JW teachings you take dey brag about, if to say na pastpreneurs teach you, NL no go hear word.

Blabbermouth:

Future angelic creature, when you become one, greet Gabriel for me

No sir, unlike the 144,000 who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven, my own hope is to live as a sister, wife and mother on earth!

[quote author=Blabbermouth post=94605411]
haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours - they believe the heavenly ressurected ones are going to be higher beings than angels, they believe the heavenly resurrected will not resurrect as an angel but as an higher being. What is the dog going to do now? Will you stay loyal to your masters and admit that believing the heavenly ressurected will become angels is false? Are you going to be egoistic, disown your governing bodies?
If you are taking your answers back, declare! if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being will the heavenly ressurected become?

All these effort you put into this Epistles just to prove nothing.
So, this is all your 'I'll be back , I'll be back you into since'

That summary is yours not mine
This is my word!

They will be like angels in that, they will be having a spiritual body with immortality
They will rule with Jesus as King on the Earth for 1000yrs! [l

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200608/Do-Humans-Become-Angels-When-They-Die/
That's is the link to the article posted out of context for others to verify.
You need to be humble for Jw to make you understand all these. No joke

Matt 12:25)For when they rise from the dead, neither do men nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in the heavens.

*. Even though they're like Angels as against their old. They're quite distinct from other Angels...why

1.this 144,000 will ruling as immortal kings and priests with Christ. (Not the others Angels)(1 Corinthians 6:3
2.They have authority as judges , Even they are judging some fallen Angels too sef (Revelation 20:6)


Do you now see why I said you need a Jw to make you understand this?


.

The world to come is not subjected to any angelic creature or creatures

Jesus was make better than other Angels and exulted above his peers? (Heb 1:4,9)

who are his peers?
Jehovah has elevated Jesus position to be the king of God's kingdom (These is not given to other angels)...So. Rest!


1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:28,29 is still your nightmare.
All others there hold no water


You've been avoiding this question...
So, what's Jesus position in heaven as the non-trinitarian you claimed to be?...Curve it

Blabbermouth:

Sweetheart, I hope you become an angelic creature. Alll the best.

I have a earthly hope Sir, so i'm not going to heaven!

Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

shadeyinka:
Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

1 Corinthians 15:44,47-49.
No maggi ,no royko no spices.
Unadulterated.

shadeyinka:
Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

God knows each character amongst his servants, he selects those who will rule with Jesus in heaven and anointed them with his holy spirit when they're still living as humans. So at death their names are written in the book of life as the first set to be resurrected, in their own resurrection God will transform them into spirit beings just as he transformed Jesus (a mighty spirit being in heaven) into an embryo in the womb of a female human, he knows how to transform humans during resurrection into angels too! 1Corinthians 15:52
Thanks God bless you!

shadeyinka:
Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

"¹After six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John (the brother of James) and led them up a high mountain where they could be alone.
²Jesus' appearance changed in front of them. His face became as bright as the sun and His clothes as white as light.
³Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared to them and were talking with Jesus.
⁴Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it's good that we're here.
If you want, I'll put up three tents here-one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
⁵He was still speaking when a bright cloud overshadowed them. Then a voice came out of the cloud and said,
"This is my Son, whom I love and with whom I am pleased. Listen to Him!"
⁶The disciples were terrified when they heard this and fell facedown on the ground.
⁷But Jesus touched them and said, "Get up, and don't be afraid!"
⁸As they raised their heads, they saw no one but Jesus.
⁹On their way down the mountain, Jesus ordered them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen.
Wait until the Son of Man has been brought back to life.""
- Matthew 17:1-9

shadeyinka, let's make this a little more interesting with added biblical oomph for your JW invitees and others you cc:' mentioned (i.e. cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, DappaD, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker)

How did Peter know who Moses and Elijah were, who were long ago dead and whom both he has never set eyes upon before?

shadeyinka:
Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

They're dead so it's during resurrection that God will change their form to angels instead of humans, it's the same God who formed (created) angels that made humans, so what is needed now is body for the person in God's memory, God has the ability to give resurrected ones angelic bodies or human bodies.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹After six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John (the brother of James) and led them up a high mountain where they could be alone.
²Jesus' appearance changed in front of them. His face became as bright as the sun and His clothes as white as light.
³Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared to them and were talking with Jesus.
⁴Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it's good that we're here.
If you want, I'll put up three tents here-one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
⁵He was still speaking when a bright cloud overshadowed them. Then a voice came out of the cloud and said,
"This is my Son, whom I love and with whom I am pleased. Listen to Him!"
⁶The disciples were terrified when they heard this and fell facedown on the ground.
⁷But Jesus touched them and said, "Get up, and don't be afraid!"
⁸As they raised their heads, they saw no one but Jesus.
⁹On their way down the mountain, Jesus ordered them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen.
Wait until the Son of Man has been brought back to life.""
- Matthew 17:1-9

shadeyinka, let's make this a little more interesting with added biblical oomph for your JW invitees and others you cc:' mentioned (i.e. cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, DappaD, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker)

How did Peter know who Moses and Elijah were, who were long ago dead and whom both he has never set eyes upon before?

Why must it be JWs who will continue spoon-feeding you each time you don't understand the scriptures?
I thought you know Yahushua now, why not ask him?
Like Max often say "make your own presentation and let everyone learn from you"
If Shade asks a question with deep respect i don't think JWs will grace you with a response if you want to learn in a ride manner!

AkinwaleJJ:


Why must it be JWs who will continue spoon-feeding you each time you don't understand the scriptures?
I thought you know Yahushua now, why not ask him?
Like Max often say "make your own presentation and let everyone learn from you"
If Shade asks a question with deep respect i don't think JWs will grace you with a response if you want to learn in a ride manner!

Abi o! Shadeyinka asked a question, instead of going straight to present your own answer for everyone to learn.
Mr Yahushua wants JWs to come forward and save him yet instead of admitting that he's learning from JWs he wants us to see him as equal to us as in qualified ministers of God's word. 2Corinthians 11:12
Kòjoó! If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses go and form your own group or madge with any of your choice, JWs only relate with JWs as worshipers of the same God!

AkinwaleJJ:
Why must it be JWs who will continue spoon-feeding you each time you don't understand the scriptures?
I thought you know Yahushua now, why not ask him?
Like Max often say "make your own presentation and let everyone learn from you"
If Shade asks a question with deep respect i don't think JWs will grace you with a response if you want to learn in a ride manner!

MaxInDHouse:
Abi o! Shadeyinka asked a question, instead of going straight to present your own answer for everyone to learn.
Mr Yahushua wants JWs to come forward and save him yet instead of admitting that he's learning from JWs he wants us to see him as equal to us as in qualified ministers of God's word. 2Corinthians 11:12
Kòjoó! If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses go and form your own group or madge with any of your choice, JWs only relate with JWs as worshipers of the same God!

Mi o ro boya toko tiyawo eleyi won gbadun. Everyone knows you're both the same poster, lmso

Janosky:


1 Corinthians 15:44,47-49.
No maggi ,no royko no spices.
Unadulterated.

Please explain what you mean as I WILL NOT debate your response.

I asked three distinct questions

MaxInDHouse:


God knows each character amongst his servants, he selects those who will rule with Jesus in heaven and anointed them with his holy spirit when they're still living as humans. So at death their names are written in the book of life as the first set to be resurrected, in their own resurrection God will transform them into spirit beings just as he transformed Jesus (a mighty spirit being in heaven) into an embryo in the womb of a female human, he knows how to transform humans during resurrection into angels too! 1Corinthians 15:52
Thanks God bless you!

I am sorry maximus, I asked three questions to which I need three answers. I do not intend to debate your response. I just want to understand your views.

Thanks

shadeyinka:

Please explain what you mean as I WILL NOT debate your response

Bros 1 Corinthians 15 44,47-49, is the precise responses to your 3 questions.
Please study it in different Bible versions for better clarity.

There is nothing to add to it.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹After six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John (the brother of James) and led them up a high mountain where they could be alone.
²Jesus' appearance changed in front of them. His face became as bright as the sun and His clothes as white as light.
³Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared to them and were talking with Jesus.
⁴Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it's good that we're here.
If you want, I'll put up three tents here-one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
⁵He was still speaking when a bright cloud overshadowed them. Then a voice came out of the cloud and said,
"This is my Son, whom I love and with whom I am pleased. Listen to Him!"
⁶The disciples were terrified when they heard this and fell facedown on the ground.
⁷But Jesus touched them and said, "Get up, and don't be afraid!"
⁸As they raised their heads, they saw no one but Jesus.
⁹On their way down the mountain, Jesus ordered them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen.
Wait until the Son of Man has been brought back to life.""
- Matthew 17:1-9

shadeyinka, let's make this a little more interesting with added biblical oomph for your JW invitees and others you cc:' mentioned (i.e. cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, DappaD, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker)

How did Peter know who Moses and Elijah were, who were long ago dead and whom both he has never set eyes upon before?

Hmn!
That's another question although, for now I am concerned with HOW they will answer the questions without their NORMAL evasive behaviour with such kinds of questions

AkinwaleJJ:


They're dead so it's during resurrection that God will change their form to angels instead of humans, it's the same God who formed (created) angels that made humans, so what is needed now is body for the person in God's memory, God has the ability to give resurrected ones angelic bodies or human bodies.

Which of their form will God change to the form of angel (their body, soul or spirit)?
BTW, I asked three distinct Questions to which I require three different answers.

I do not intend to debate your answers

shadeyinka:

Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

Okay.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

This is just one of the rudimentary teachings.
Even when JWs time and time again, explain carefully you refused to get it. It is because y'all don't get this basic teaching—that most of you don't grasp that humans and spirit creatures are totally different.

A man, is an earthly creature made from the dust of the ground. (Genesis 2:7)
It is only when the impersonal breath of life(spirit) is in that fleshly body made from dust—that the man is said to be a living soul or living being.
When the human being dies, this spirit/breath goes out(Psalm 146:4) and the body(man) returns to the dust of the ground(Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 12:7)
Therefore the person can no longer have thoughts and feelings—Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 since the breath of life that's activating the body has been removed.

What makes your Television, a television
Isn't it only when electricity plays its role and then displays videos on your screen?
That's exactly the same with human beings. A man(created from dust) cannot be a living being/soul without the breath of life(spirit/lifeforce)

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

We've gone through this countless times, shade\yinka.
Paul was inspired to write that there are heavenly BODIES and that there are earthly BODIES—1Corinthians 15:40
Jehovah God is a Spirit. (John 4:24, 2Corinthians 3:17). Jesus Christ(Michael the archangel) and the rest of the angels(seraphs, cherubs etc) are all spirit creatures like their heavenly Father.(Psalm 104:4)
The BODY they possess is different from the earthly bodies.
The 144,000 anointed Christians are bought from amongst mankind and sealed(Revelation 14:1,4)
When their physical/natural/weak/fleshly body dies, their lifeforce is entrusted into God's hands(Ecclesiates 12:7) just as Jesus entrusted his into God's hands(Luke 23:46)
The BODIES they possess after the first resurrection is an indestructible, incorruptible, immortal spiritual BODY(1Corinthians 15:42-44,53-54), then their life-force is restored so that they can have their former memories because that's the essence of them going to heaven in the first place. They have been tested in all respects so they know what humans go through and they can sympathize with their weaknesses. (Hebrews 4:15)
Jehovah is such a loving God that he made that wonderful provision because if He entrusted the ruling and judging matters into the hands of the angels who have existed for aeons, they wouldn't show the needed sympathy for humans since they don't know what's it like being one.
That's the real reason why a select few will be going to heaven to rule over the earth as kings, priests and judges alongside Jesus Christ who also knows what it's like being human! (Matthew 19:28, Romans 8:16-17, 1Corinthians 6:2, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 7:4-8, 14:1,4, 20:4,6)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

Okay.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

shadeyinka:

I am sorry maximus, I asked three questions to which I need three answers. I do not intend to debate your response. I just want to understand your views.

Thanks

Remember JWs have our own way of responding to questions. To me your three questions are but one "If you JWs say there is no way people can reason or remember anything without their brains, how will resurrected humans going to heaven know or remember what they stand for without their human brains?"
So your three questions stem from the same thought!

MuttleyLaff:
"¹After six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John (the brother of James) and led them up a high mountain where they could be alone.
²Jesus' appearance changed in front of them. His face became as bright as the sun and His clothes as white as light.
³Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared to them and were talking with Jesus.
⁴Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it's good that we're here.
If you want, I'll put up three tents here-one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
⁵He was still speaking when a bright cloud overshadowed them. Then a voice came out of the cloud and said,
"This is my Son, whom I love and with whom I am pleased. Listen to Him!"
⁶The disciples were terrified when they heard this and fell facedown on the ground.
⁷But Jesus touched them and said, "Get up, and don't be afraid!"
⁸As they raised their heads, they saw no one but Jesus.
⁹On their way down the mountain, Jesus ordered them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen.
Wait until the Son of Man has been brought back to life.""
- Matthew 17:1-9

shadeyinka, let's make this a little more interesting with added biblical oomph for your JW invitees and others you cc:' mentioned (i.e. cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, DappaD, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker)

How did Peter know who Moses and Elijah were, who were long ago dead and whom both he has never set eyes upon before?

TRANSFIGURATION

A miraculous event witnessed by Peter, James, and John, in which Jesus’ “face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.” (Mt 17:1-9; Mr 9:2-10; Lu 9:28-36) Mark says that on this occasion Jesus’ outer garments became “far whiter than any clothes cleaner on earth could whiten them,” and Luke states that “the appearance of his face became different.” The transfiguration occurred on a mountain sometime after Passover of 32 C.E., quite a while before Jesus’ final trip to Jerusalem.

Just before the transfiguration, Jesus and his disciples were in the region of Caesarea Philippi, the present-day village of Banyas. (Mr 8:27) It is unlikely that Christ and the apostles departed from this vicinity or region when going to the “lofty mountain.” (Mr 9:2) Mount Tabor has been viewed as the traditional site from about the fourth century C.E., but lying about 70 km (40 mi) SSW of Caesarea Philippi, it seems an improbable location.​—See TABOR No. 1.

Mount Hermon, on the other hand, is only about 25 km (15 mi) NE of Caesarea Philippi. It rises to a height of 2,814 m (9,232 ft) above sea level and would therefore be “a lofty mountain.” (Mt 17:1) Hence, the transfiguration may have taken place on some spur of Mount Hermon. This is the view of many modern scholars, though the Bible’s silence on the matter leaves the exact location uncertain.

The transfiguration probably took place at night, for the apostles “were weighed down with sleep.” (Lu 9:32) At night the event would be more vivid, and they did spend the night on the mountain, for it was not until the next day that they descended. (Lu 9:37) Just how long the transfiguration lasted, however, the Bible does not say.

Prior to ascending the mountain, Christ had asked all of his disciples: “Who are men saying that I am?” whereupon Peter replied: “You are the Christ.” At that Jesus told them that he would die and be resurrected (Mr 8:27-31), though he also promised that some of his disciples would “not taste death at all” until they had first seen “the Son of man coming in his kingdom,” or “the kingdom of God already come in power.” (Mt 16:28; Mr 9:1) This promise was fulfilled “six days later” (or “eight” according to Luke, who apparently includes the day of the promise and that of the fulfillment) when Peter, James, and John accompanied Jesus into “a lofty mountain” (Mt 17:1; Mr 9:2; Lu 9:28) where, while praying, Jesus was transfigured before them.

During Jesus’ transfiguration, Moses and Elijah also appeared “with glory.” (Lu 9:30, 31; Mt 17:3; Mr 9:4) They talked about Christ’s “departure [a form of the Greek word eʹxo·dos] that he was destined to fulfill at Jerusalem.” (Lu 9:31) This eʹxo·dos, exodus or departure, evidently involved both Christ’s death and his subsequent resurrection to spirit life.

Some critics have endeavored to class the transfiguration as simply a dream. However, Peter, James, and John would not logically all have had exactly the same dream. Jesus himself called what took place a “vision” (Mt 17:9), but not a mere illusion. Christ was actually there, though Moses and Elijah, who were dead, were not literally present. They were represented in vision.

No dey deceive yourself, MuttleyLaff

shadeyinka:

Which of their form will God change to the form of angel (their body, soul or spirit)?
BTW, I asked three distinct Questions to which I require three different answers.

I do not intend to debate your answers

Humans are living souls, there is nothing like body, soul and spirit, we have the same life form like all other earthly creatures, the only difference is we have freewill unlike other creatures living on instinct, at death humans are equal to dead flies {Eccl 3:19} it's the memories that makes God plan for a come back for humans and it's either back as humans in case of those who will live forever on earth or spirits (angels) in case of those to rule with Jesus in heaven!

MuttleyLaff:


Mi o ro boya toko tiyawo eleyi won gbadun. Everyone knows you're both the same poster, omso

OK o!

Janosky:
TRANSFIGURATION

A miraculous event witnessed by Peter, James, and John, in which Jesus’ “face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.” (Mt 17:1-9; Mr 9:2-10; Lu 9:28-36) Mark says that on this occasion Jesus’ outer garments became “far whiter than any clothes cleaner on earth could whiten them,” and Luke states that “the appearance of his face became different.” The transfiguration occurred on a mountain sometime after Passover of 32 C.E., quite a while before Jesus’ final trip to Jerusalem.

Just before the transfiguration, Jesus and his disciples were in the region of Caesarea Philippi, the present-day village of Banyas. (Mr 8:27) It is unlikely that Christ and the apostles departed from this vicinity or region when going to the “lofty mountain.” (Mr 9:2) Mount Tabor has been viewed as the traditional site from about the fourth century C.E., but lying about 70 km (40 mi) SSW of Caesarea Philippi, it seems an improbable location.​—See TABOR No. 1.

Mount Hermon, on the other hand, is only about 25 km (15 mi) NE of Caesarea Philippi. It rises to a height of 2,814 m (9,232 ft) above sea level and would therefore be “a lofty mountain.” (Mt 17:1) Hence, the transfiguration may have taken place on some spur of Mount Hermon. This is the view of many modern scholars, though the Bible’s silence on the matter leaves the exact location uncertain.

The transfiguration probably took place at night, for the apostles “were weighed down with sleep.” (Lu 9:32) At night the event would be more vivid, and they did spend the night on the mountain, for it was not until the next day that they descended. (Lu 9:37) Just how long the transfiguration lasted, however, the Bible does not say.

Prior to ascending the mountain, Christ had asked all of his disciples: “Who are men saying that I am?” whereupon Peter replied: “You are the Christ.” At that Jesus told them that he would die and be resurrected (Mr 8:27-31), though he also promised that some of his disciples would “not taste death at all” until they had first seen “the Son of man coming in his kingdom,” or “the kingdom of God already come in power.” (Mt 16:28; Mr 9:1) This promise was fulfilled “six days later” (or “eight” according to Luke, who apparently includes the day of the promise and that of the fulfillment) when Peter, James, and John accompanied Jesus into “a lofty mountain” (Mt 17:1; Mr 9:2; Lu 9:28) where, while praying, Jesus was transfigured before them.

During Jesus’ transfiguration, Moses and Elijah also appeared “with glory.” (Lu 9:30, 31; Mt 17:3; Mr 9:4) They talked about Christ’s “departure [a form of the Greek word eʹxo·dos] that he was destined to fulfill at Jerusalem.” (Lu 9:31) This eʹxo·dos, exodus or departure, evidently involved both Christ’s death and his subsequent resurrection to spirit life.
Some critics have endeavored to class the transfiguration as simply a dream. However, Peter, James, and John would not logically all have had exactly the same dream. Jesus himself called what took place a “vision” (Mt 17:9), but not a mere illusion. Christ was actually there, though Moses and Elijah, who were dead, were not literally present. They were represented in vision.

No dey deceive yourself, MuttleyLaff

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MuttleyLaff:
Go and sit down jor. Mr Coach, fyi, Elijah was teleported, as in, got translated elsewhere, then like every other human being died.

The next fyi for you Mr Coach, is that, what John, Peter and James, in Matthew 17:3 saw, of Elijah and Moses, was a vision, its nothing more, nothing less than that and the vision happened, to serve as a symbolism of handing over.

In that vision, the inner caucus trio disciples witnessed, Elijah representing the prophets and Moses representing the Law, updating Jesus and then after giving over control and responsibility to Jesus, to forge ahead, go make a reality of and finish the redemptive work in a burst of power and might.

Janosky you have a short memory. You have forgotten that I straighten up with the knowledge that it was a vision, havent you, lmso

MuttleyLaff:

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Janosky you have a short memory. You have forgotten that I straighten up with the knowledge that it was a vision, havent you, lmso

I responded to your post to Shadeyinka.
How will I have known you shared this fact in your other post?

It's very clear that there are still Scriptural truth we mutually agree on.
It's well MuttleyLaff.
Shalom