Dtruthspeaker:


And this is why I call you foolish and very blind! Even when you have eyes, you see not.

I have answered you severally and you could not rebut. So let me give you a different answer today.

It is the Law, A Creator Does whatever He Likes!
Benjamin Holt, a creator, made the Caterpillar and put himself in it and came out of it.

Mr Toyoda, Carl Benz, Henry Ford, Maybach all creators themselves, made the Camry, Mercedes Benz, Ford, Maybach and put themselves into Their creations and came out of it.

The Wright Brothers put themselves into their creations, the Aeroplane and came out of it.

I have told you before, that, that is the Power of a Creator, He Can Do Anything He Desires to Do, but your spiteful wicked soul will not let you hear.

This is Not a Novelty but in line with the Usual Practices and Laws, of Creators!

Indeed, so why did he punish satan when he did what he liked..according to you..

You are really not well at all..

(1) From the very moment Adam and Eve were sent out of Eden mankind entered the greatest trouble ever, the ground was cursed not because that's God wish but man fell shot of the glorious body God gave us {Romans 3:23} that's why the ground itself will not yield to our desire and every creature on it turned against us! Genesis 3:17-19
All those insects have what God created them to do but now even mosquitoes feed on our blood!

(2) Due to the hardship, sickness, oldage and death mankind is experiencing, most of us became desperate to make whatever we can within our short lifespan of 70-80 years {Psalms 90:10} This added to the anxiety and stress as each one now thinks of himself than necessary! Romans 12:3

(3) Satan deceived one third of his colleagues in heaven {Revelations 12:4} introduced sexual pleasures to them and since they don't enjoy such in heaven all the deceived angels came down, put on human form and began having sex with female humans. Note that there can't be marriage rights between this extremely handsome men and those girls since the angels have no human parents to introduce to their In-laws, but with their high intellect, beautiful faces and bodies, and how they easily make money, all the girls were following them. That's how fornication started and the tension increased as male humans finds it difficult to compete with those aliens!

So there were factors leading to human suffering before God picked Abraham and started dealing with him, promising him that he (God) will bless him but he must do something before those blessings could be his {Genesis 12:1-3} From that time on most religionsists thought anyone worshiping God must also be blessed materially like Abraham but that's a misconception!
God blessed Abraham because he wanted to use Abraham's lineage to bring the Christ (Jesus) to Mankind and through this arrangement all obedient descendants of Adam will regain what Adam lost! Matthew 1:1-16

Satan knew this so he did everything within his capability to disrupt that plan. That's why all those who wants to be faithful, loyal and honest will definitely have issues with this spirit being {Job 1:7-12} because he wanted to make things difficult for that Christ that's coming to snatch humans away from him. Satan was working tirelessly preparing the minds of humans with all sort of philosophies, traditions, cultures and forms of worship that will make it hard for any race to accept whatever the Christ is coming to teach them!
Whoever carries the Bible with honest heart will certainly have issues with Satan {Revelations 12:17 compare to Matthew 5:11-12} because he knew that once you're honestly seeking the wisdom from above, you will definitely get it through Jesus or Jesus' true followers {Matthew 5:6} that's why Apostle Paul said "we have a battle not against flesh and blood but against spirit forces of darkness" Ephesians 6:10-13

Servants of God before John the baptist may live a life of affluence and great wealth because the battle line between the forces of light and darkness has not been drawn {Matthew 11:12; Luke 13:24} but from the very day John the baptist began preparing the way for the Christ whoever wants to worship God must be fully prepared for any eventuality Satan can bring up! Romans 8:35

So it's not mandatory that God's true servants must suffer hardship but anyone who is not ready to sacrifice whatever could hinder him/her to gain salvation is not worthy of it! Luke 18:18-23 compare to Matthew 16:24-25

God bless you!

Zzor:
achorladey, freshboi88, bukatyne, johnw89

Why Achorladey? and not snake man.

achorladey:



Why Achorladey? and not snake man.

lol,mr snakeman I had to call your moniker so you can see it.Share some of the knowledge you had from the jw

sonmvayina:


Indeed, so why did he punish satan when he did what he liked..according to you..

You are really not well at all..

Do you see the unclarity of your thoughts by reason of the evil of your soul? (Clarity is an enemy to a wicked man. For the wicked Hate to be Exposed, because of their wicked thoughts, therefore, they need to hide in confusion and unclarity )

First, you held on to the Stupidity that a Creator can only act in the way that you have seen them act, which I have severally rebutted, even now.

Now, because of your evil desire, you have mixed up the Creation Powers of a Creator with the concept of Judgement and Punishment.

If you are capable of good thinking, is it proper to mix the Creation Powers of a Creator with Judgment effected on the creation?

Shall Mr Toyoda create and judge the Camry at the same time, oh wicked man? Did he ever do that, oh lover of evil?

Is it not good thinking that The Creator would have first finished creating, then send the created on its way, to do all those things that it's Creator has said it can or must do?

Is it not when the creation does not do these things that it would be recalled/queried/arrested for the determination of it's guilt (Trial)?

And when found guilty of an offence or offences, shall A Decision Not be Given? (Judgement)

And After Judgement, shall the Ambits, Limits and Purpose of the Judgment not be Executed and Meted Out on the Guilty Offender?(Punishment)

Or did you stupidly imagine that after trial, nothing adverse shall happen to the offender?

Or did you imagine that the offender shall be blessed with good things by reason of his offence or Offences

If nothing shall happen after trial, then would it not be a waste and a nullity to have a trial?

It is only an evil and wicked offender who fears Trial and Judgment and Punishment, Not he who has done that which is To be Done, that is Right and Good, oh evil man!

Zzor:
lol,mr snakeman I had to call your moniker so you can see it.Share some of the knowledge you had from the jw

Why should you wait for me to SHARE JW knowledge? .

You have forgotten where and from whom to get it. Abi?

achorladey:


Why should you wait for me to SHARE JW knowledge? .

You have forgotten where and from whom to get it. Abi?

share now Mr snake man

ciro11:




God did not create evil because everything He created was good. But He created all intelligent creatures (man & angels) with the ability to choose either Good or bad ( free will). He did this because He wants them to worship Him out of love. Evil came to be from the misuse of the gift of free will by one of His Angels who later came to be known as Satan because of his rebellious act. He craved what belonged to His creator, His father and God and this cravings moved him to action, to do what he thinks would make him to get the worship that God alone deserves.

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The verse I mentioned earlier clearly stated that God created every thing..
See the way u are dribbling your self..
Nawa.

MaxInDHouse:
(1) From the very moment Adam and Eve were sent out of Eden mankind entered the greatest trouble ever, the ground was cursed not because that's God wish but man fell shot of the glorious body God gave us {Romans 3:23} that's why the ground itself will not yield to our desire and every creature on it turned against us! Genesis 3:17-19
All those insects have what God created them to do but now even mosquitoes feed on our blood!

(2) Due to the hardship, sickness, oldage and death mankind is experiencing, most of us became desperate to make whatever we can within our short lifespan of 70-80 years {Psalms 90:10} This added to the anxiety and stress as each one now thinks of himself than necessary! Romans 12:3

(3) Satan deceived one third of his colleagues in heaven {Revelations 12:4} introduced sexual pleasures to them and since they don't enjoy such in heaven all the deceived angels came down, put on human form and began having sex with female humans. Note that there can't be marriage rights between this extremely handsome men and those girls since the angels have no human parents to introduce to their In-laws, but with their high intellect, beautiful faces and bodies, and how they easily make money, all the girls were following them. That's how fornication started and the tension increased as male humans finds it difficult to compete with those aliens!

So there were factors leading to human suffering before God picked Abraham and started dealing with him, promising him that he (God) will bless him but he must do something before those blessings could be his {Genesis 12:1-3} From that time on most religionsists thought anyone worshiping God must also be blessed materially like Abraham but that's a misconception!
God blessed Abraham because he wanted to use Abraham's lineage to bring the Christ (Jesus) to Mankind and through this arrangement all obedient descendants of Adam will regain what Adam lost! Matthew 1:1-16

Satan knew this so he did everything within his capability to disrupt that plan. That's why all those who wants to be faithful, loyal and honest will definitely have issues with this spirit being {Job 1:7-12} because he wanted to make things difficult for that Christ that's coming to snatch humans away from him. Satan was working tirelessly preparing the minds of humans with all sort of philosophies, traditions, cultures and forms of worship that will make it hard for any race to accept whatever the Christ is coming to teach them!
Whoever carries the Bible with honest heart will certainly have issues with Satan {Revelations 12:17 compare to Matthew 5:11-12} because he knew that once you're honestly seeking the wisdom from above, you will definitely get it through Jesus or Jesus' true followers {Matthew 5:6} that's why Apostle Paul said "we have a battle not against flesh and blood but against spirit forces of darkness" Ephesians 6:10-13

Servants of God before John the baptist may live a life of affluence and great wealth because the battle line between the forces of light and darkness has not been drawn {Matthew 11:12; Luke 13:24} but from the very day John the baptist began preparing the way for the Christ whoever wants to worship God must be fully prepared for any eventuality Satan can bring up! Romans 8:35

So it's not mandatory that God's true servants must suffer hardship but anyone who is not ready to sacrifice whatever could hinder him/her to gain salvation is not worthy of it! Luke 18:18-23 compare to Matthew 16:24-25

God bless you!

Thanks alot sir

Zzor:

Thanks alot sir

Daddy love you, my child!

Zzor, it's very simple, god does not exist. There are no gods or supernatural intervention coming to help anyone out. Humans are left to themselves and the consequences of their decisions. There is nothing special about anyone.

https://www.nairaland.com/5319206/sincere-adherents-abrahamic-religions-why

https://www.nairaland.com/5009686/hard-facts-life

Zzor:
Wao,i'm happy to be back here where I truly belong, now let's share knowledge.Suffering is everywhere and inevitable.Even around our homes we can see families who can't afford more than one meal a day,students pushed to their limits,workers put out of jobs,elderly one's abandoned by family members,workers exploited by employers.Suffering is also a key theme in the bible as we have many instances where God allows it and was even involved in suffering:God giving satan the permission to inflict Job(Job 1.8-12),Joseph's difficult times in Egypt,Jesus suffering on the cross and persecution of early christians(2Corinthians 1:6-7).Scripture made us believe that some people suffer because of divine punishment,some for their faith and some to save others.Today the suffering we see around us may be due to one of the above reasons but there may be other reasons unknown to us.The Bible told us about God's goodness and love and that God is loving and good and we can remain strong in our hope in Him through such times,even when we do not have answers to Suffering.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

Why not ask a priest or a pastor?
They would probably give better explanations.

**ADDED**
i just saw this on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/291618694668077/posts/938456469984293/?app=fbl

Zzor Why not ask him?

**Added another***
https://www.facebook.com/96316060783/posts/10157755339935784/?app=fbl

Zzor:
Wao,i'm happy to be back here where I truly belong, now let's share knowledge.Suffering is everywhere and inevitable.Even around our homes we can see families who can't afford more than one meal a day,students pushed to their limits,workers put out of jobs,elderly one's abandoned by family members,workers exploited by employers.Suffering is also a key theme in the bible as we have many instances where God allows it and was even involved in suffering:God giving satan the permission to inflict Job(Job 1.8-12),Joseph's difficult times in Egypt,Jesus suffering on the cross and persecution of early christians(2Corinthians 1:6-7).Scripture made us believe that some people suffer because of divine punishment,some for their faith and some to save others.Today the suffering we see around us may be due to one of the above reasons but there may be other reasons unknown to us.The Bible told us about God's goodness and love and that God is loving and good and we can remain strong in our hope in Him through such times,even when we do not have answers to Suffering.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

Zzor:
Wao,i'm happy to be back here where I truly belong, now let's share knowledge.Suffering is everywhere and inevitable.Even around our homes we can see families who can't afford more than one meal a day,students pushed to their limits,workers put out of jobs,elderly one's abandoned by family members,workers exploited by employers.Suffering is also a key theme in the bible as we have many instances where God allows it and was even involved in suffering:God giving satan the permission to inflict Job(Job 1.8-12),Joseph's difficult times in Egypt,Jesus suffering on the cross and persecution of early christians(2Corinthians 1:6-7).Scripture made us believe that some people suffer because of divine punishment,some for their faith and some to save others.Today the suffering we see around us may be due to one of the above reasons but there may be other reasons unknown to us.The Bible told us about God's goodness and love and that God is loving and good and we can remain strong in our hope in Him through such times,even when we do not have answers to Suffering.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

Zzor..U were mini sket but yet..u hide in religion section talkin about god.. how? Please r u ok?

Zzor:
You are right but then God promised those abiding in Him that no evil or plague shall come near their household and His angels will give divine protection Psalm91:10-11,we also have where God promised those who abide in him all the good things of this life and hereafter,so you can now understand my curiosity better

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for what so ever a man soweth so shall he reap......

Genesis 8:22 As long a the earth remains seed time and haven't time shall not seize.......

Proverbs 13:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin condemns any people.
For one to overcome sufffering on earth you must abide by Godly principle, live a righteous life.....
Your prayers, commitment, tithe, Shiloh sacrifice etc are efforts in frutility without righteousness

desiredhome:


Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for what so ever a man soweth so shall he reap......

Genesis 8:22 As long a the earth remains seed time and haven't time shall not seize.......

Proverbs 13:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin condemns any people.
For one to overcome sufffering on earth you must abide by Godly principle, live a righteous life.....
Your prayers, commitment, tithe, Shiloh sacrifice etc are efforts in frutility without righteousness

thanks alot

Dtruthspeaker:


Please correct, No Suffering is from God!

It is Not Possible for God to Do Any Wrong no matter how slight, not to speak of doing any wicked thing.

Wicked men and Satan are responsible for that.

But he permit it right?

Zzor:
.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

What does it mean to be devoted to God?

Tell me this.. do those whom you know to be devoted to God worship God through s0-called Pastors/Preachers/GOs etc? If yes, then I posit that their devotion may appear to be to God but it is instead to the image of God created and taught them by their so-called Pastors/Preachers/GOs etc. As long as they suckle at the tits of ordinary human beings just like themselves, they remain far away from God and their prayers and souls as well. They render Jesus Christ's Sacrifice on the cross, the rending of the curtains separating the Holy of Holies in the Temple of God void in their lives by their actions.

Jesus Christ instructed His disciples not to install themselves as teachers over His flock and He certainly commanded than non of His own take on disciples/students of their own. God was their Teacher, and He is the only one to teach those who belong to Him. That is one of the reasons of the Spirit of God needing to take over once a person chooses to accept Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, when these so-called Pastors/Preachers/GOs etc. instead set themselves up as Teachers and hence Masters over those they were sent to Preach to, they usurp the seat that is meant for the Spirit of God in the lives of those who suckle from them, making sure to keep them far away from God and His blesses in the process, while they, the so-called Pastors/Preachers/GOs etc., continue to steal, kill, and destroy their very lives, in the name of God.

Zzor:
Wao,i'm happy to be back here where I truly belong, now let's share knowledge.Suffering is everywhere and inevitable.Even around our homes we can see families who can't afford more than one meal a day,students pushed to their limits,workers put out of jobs,elderly one's abandoned by family members,workers exploited by employers.Suffering is also a key theme in the bible as we have many instances where God allows it and was even involved in suffering:God giving satan the permission to inflict Job(Job 1.8-12),Joseph's difficult times in Egypt,Jesus suffering on the cross and persecution of early christians(2Corinthians 1:6-7).Scripture made us believe that some people suffer because of divine punishment,some for their faith and some to save others.Today the suffering we see around us may be due to one of the above reasons but there may be other reasons unknown to us.The Bible told us about God's goodness and love and that God is loving and good and we can remain strong in our hope in Him through such times,even when we do not have answers to Suffering.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

U come to nairaland to cuss people & u wonder y God punish u to remain single ...abi?.....u need delivaranse(no oofense)

phelonrays:
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But he permit it right?

No He Did Not! But it is you who invited them to your house, opened the door to them and accepted their "presents".

When you hold fire in your hand, you Must be Burnt!

It can not be anyone's fault that you carried fire in your hands.

Dtruthspeaker:


No He Did Not! But it is you who invited them to your house, opened the door to them and accepted their "presents".

When you hold fire in your hand, you Must be Burnt!

It can not be anyone's fault that you carried fire in your hands.

But the 'Bible' says He did permit...

phelonrays:


But the 'Bible' says He did permit...

The Bible did not!

Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible did not!

haha

you are so ignorant to reply with this dumb line...

Factly; you are not worthy to bear a christian tag

phelonrays:


haha

you are so ignorant to reply with this dumb line...

Factly; you are not worthy to bear a christian tag

If the Bible did say it, you would have happily presented it here just to ridicule me.

Now you ridicule me, yet you brought Nothing.

Saying that it is contained in the Bible, would not put it in there.

Since you did not present it, or it is not possible for you to present it you therefore have Nothing to Show and are therefore a Liar.

Dtruthspeaker:


If the Bible did say it, you would have happily presented it here just to ridicule me.

Now you ridicule me, yet you brought Nothing.

Saying that it is contained in the Bible, would not put it in there.

Since you did not present it, or it is not possible for you to present it you therefore have Nothing to Show and are therefore a Liar.

Forbid; I redicule you!

We test every preacher with a gauge to assuage their never-ending self-acclaim Wisemanship....

Your level of ignorance exceed that of believe/faith, surging superfluously...

Job 1 verses 12 ....

Zzor:
Then you are in contrast with Righteousness89 with this comment,but then what do you mean by those that truly serve the lord because I have seen Christian devotees suffer and still die,what would you say about that

It all has to do with knowledge. Many devoted Christian don't know what we have in Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ has done thing. He even became poor for us to be rich, but many of his don't know this so they suffer from the hand of the devil

TheCork:



U come to nairaland to cuss people & u wonder y God punish u to remain single ...abi?.....u need delivaranse(no oofense)

I have the opinion that she's not yet ripe for marriage!

TheCork:



U come to nairaland to cuss people & u wonder y God punish u to remain single ...abi?.....u need delivaranse(no oofense)

......

phelonrays:


What essentiality do marriage got with this thread...?

Is marriage an achievement?
Is it an avenue to proof ones' self worth?

Haba! Please there is freedom of expression o, even if what you've got in your brains doesn't correlate with the ongoing discussion, you're always welcome on Nairaland.
Just try to be polite, at least everyone will see you as someone worth listening to and not just a psychopath!

MaxInDHouse:


Haba! Please there is freedom of expression o, even if what you've got in your brains doesn't correlate with the ongoing discussion, you're always welcome on Nairaland.
Just try to be polite, at least everyone will see you as someone worth listening to and not just a psychopath!

Its somewhat not good to jump on ones' nerve....

What exactly on those questions don't settle well with your ego.?

phelonrays:

Its somewhat not good to jump on ones' nerve....
What exactly on those questions don't settle well with your ego.?

Abeg leave the guy, e dey gbadun Zzor and he feel like catching her attention. You know now each person has his own style of seeking to be noticed.

MaxInDHouse:

Abeg leave the guy, e dey gbadun Zzor and he feel like catching her attention. You know now each person has his own style of seeking to be noticed.

Kk...then!!

_{I've withdrawn the questions}