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| Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 12:21pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
In Genesis 5:22-24, the bible say" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only "and he died." the same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years. Also,the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.Ithen Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not ". The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus. The scripture say,they are not meaning they died.How then do people say, Enoch did not die.reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13.Enoch is inclusive. Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514). The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial! the Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346 That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses. Some believe,he was taken to heaven,but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against 6 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Dtruthspeaker: 6:01pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
Darnley: You are Wrong for Everyone Around Enoch BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER, THE BIBLE EXPRESSLY AND CLEARLY TELLS US, "THEY DIED" BUT NOT ENOCH, WHERE THE BIBLE EXPRESSLY AND DIRECTLY TELLS THAT GOD TOOK him Only That we were not told how, unike Elijah's Taking. 1 Like |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Dtruthspeaker: 6:09pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
Darnley: Respectfully, as twisted as your header is, so twisted is your soul because you are searching for what is not missing. Which further means that you do not accept what is in front of you so you are looking for another alternative. 2 Likes |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:16pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
Darnley: EXCELLENT! Enoch was sent to his early grave because God wanted to protect him from those wicked people! Death of God's servants is like a sweet sleep {John 11:11-14} because God keeps them all in his memory! Job 14:13-15  1 Like |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Shawl001(m): 6:19pm On Oct 06, 2020 |
Darnley: This is not! You see ehn, No part of the scripture can be interpreted by human quotient...or reasoning. It's too low to decipher it. You need the help of the Holy Spirit to be able to comprehend what the scripture truly says. Even the Book of Revelation attests to it that, TWO WITNESSES shall come back, cos "they didn't taste death". 1 Like |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 9:09pm On Oct 07, 2020 |
I thank everyone for your comment |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 9:14pm On Oct 07, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:thank you very much for your comment. |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 9:33pm On Oct 07, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: I am glad,you said God took him,that mean he died. Job said,in Job1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. Take note of the phrase,......"the Lord hath taken away"this he said,reffering to his children that were dead. Also take a look at Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. take note of "merciful men are taken away" to say,they died |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 9:37pm On Oct 07, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: This Bible verse actually backup your comment Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. thank you very much |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Ken4Christ: 9:57pm On Oct 07, 2020 |
Darnley: I share the same opinion. In addition, God took him could mean he didn't die by any natural cause. Usually when people grow old, they either die after brief or protracted illness. Others die from loss of strength to continue to live. He was probably strong and healthy enough to continue to live but God said, it's time to leave this evil world and he died like someone who just went to sleep. If he was taken physically like Elijah, I believe the Scripture would have mentioned it. |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:53am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: You're welcome Sir! For further backup on the topic please read the Bible book of Job 14:13-15. Job knew that all the evil mankind is experiencing now is as a result of Adam's sin, it will all be over when God forgive mankind and those in God's memory book will be remembered and they will be called back {Job 14:13-15} to come and start afresh when there won't be sickness, oldage, crime, injustice and death anymore! Revelations 21:1-5 God bless you! |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by petra1(m): 3:39am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: He was the first man to be raptured alive to heaven . He did not die Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Hebrews 11:5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony [still on record] that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God. 5 Likes |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MuttleyLaff: 4:04am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: MuttleyLaff: |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MuttleyLaff: 4:05am On Oct 08, 2020 |
petra1:Na dem, na dem, saying "He sis not die" sic, meaning he did not die. Smh sigh First man to be raptured alive to heaven. He sis not die, kọ. First man to be ruptured alive to heaven. He sis not die, ni  |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Dtruthspeaker: 4:14am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: I understand your point, but the wrongness of it is that you are looking for what is not missing. Why? God "Brought" all souls, therefore God "Takes" all souls. No soul can bring or take himself at their own will, it must start with God and end with God, that is Another Reason Why God is the Beginning and the End! So this is the explanation for the point you made, for He would not be The Beginning and The End if souls could do without Him. Therefore, the Special Case of Enoch is Seen Only Because of the Unusual Comment Specifically Used for him which Isolates him from others also around him, which is BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER, the bible directly tells us, "they died", but not Enoch. This is clearly remonstrated by the Great Importance of "One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." That is why I love the Hillsong Music So will I Verse 2 God of Your promise You don't speak in vain No syllable empty or void For once You have spoken All nature and science Follow the sound of Your voice If you do not pay attention to the unusual activity here, how shall you take note of all the other unusual activities that are to come in the Bible eg light and darkness in Goshen-Egypt, the walking on the sea etc? |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by johnw47: 6:13am On Oct 08, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: God sent enoch to a early grave to protect him from those evil people who might have killed him, laugh God kills those who please him, to protect them, laughing Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and he was not found, because God had taken him. For it was attested before he was taken away that he had pleased God. God is Life. He might kill His enemies 3 Likes |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by petra1(m): 6:23am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Hebrews 11:5 It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.” For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God 1 Like |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:31am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Good morning John, it's nice to have you on this thread! Of course God is life not death but we shouldn't forget how God's enemies later torture his people to death, that's what God doesn't want for Enoch! Isaiah 57:1 So God hid Enoch by making him to sleep just as a surgeon will make his patient sleep while carrying out important experiment on his body {Genesis 2:21-22} Enoch will be resurrected back to life along with many righteous ones! Act 24:15 God bless you! johnw47: |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:34am On Oct 08, 2020 |
petra1: Please correlate the highlighted with Jesus' word @John 3:13 |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by petra1(m): 6:38am On Oct 08, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Ascension is different from "being taken " secondly in context Jesus was talking about People living on earth. Like "None of you here has gone to visit heaven before" so you can't talk about heaven like me who came from heaven . Jn 3:12 — Jn 3:13 If I have told you of things that happen right here on the earth and yet none of you believes Me, how can you believe (trust Me, adhere to Me, rely on Me) if I tell you of heavenly things? And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself],Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven. Living bible makes it clearer John 3:13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heavenJohn 3:13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.. 1 Like |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:42am On Oct 08, 2020 |
petra1:So some humans have been taken to heaven before God sealed the 144,000 who became his children through faith in Christ Jesus?  |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by petra1(m): 6:49am On Oct 08, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Its a future prophecy during coming tribulation. Its ywt to take place |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02am On Oct 08, 2020 |
petra1: According to the scriptures God will take the first set of humans to heaven after Jesus' sacrifice to reconcile man back to God has been granted! Deeper understanding of the scriptures makes us understand that without the reconciliation no man can go or be in heaven! |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by petra1(m): 7:05am On Oct 08, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Would you mind sharing those scriptures with us |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by johnw47: 7:07am On Oct 08, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: you should believe God's word instead of looking for ways to change it God had taken, can mean "death" in some instances in enochs case it means translated or literally "taken" as shown in heb 11:5 Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and "he was not found, because God had taken him." For it was attested before he was taken away that "he had pleased God." 2 Likes |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Blabbermouth: 7:14am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Enoch is laughing at you guys. |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by johnw47: 7:16am On Oct 08, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:what would he be laughing at do tell |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Blabbermouth: 7:19am On Oct 08, 2020 |
johnw47:#Chilling with the most-High Geng |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 1:01pm On Oct 08, 2020 |
petra1:At the time Jesus was making this statement,He has not bodily ascended to heaven nor did he descend bodily.When He said "no man" or "no one" he mean no man.We have see Angel descended and ascended to heaven in scripture.Yet Jesus said no man.That is to say,he was particular about man and not spirit being.As for man,no one but for Jesus and other heavenly being yes.Jesus said before Abraham I was |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Darnley: 1:25pm On Oct 08, 2020 |
johnw47:brother, that the Bible say ,Enoch was taken that he did not experience death or see death, does not mean he did not died. lets look at John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. those this mean, the disciples that keeping His saying did not see death.In fact almost all the disciple died a shameful death. furthermore on the subject. the bible say,in Roman 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. if death reigned from Adam to Moses,was Enoch not included? |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Ihedinobi3: 7:41pm On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: Hi there. It's an interesting argument that you make and it is, in fact, correct in that it makes clear that Enoch's departure resulted in the same thing that death does for every other person, but it seems to me to ignore the fact that the language used for Enoch was strange in a genealogy where again and again we are told that "he died." Why is Enoch the only one in the whole genealogy of whom something different is said? That seems to be something significant, and that is why the whole business of what happened to Enoch even arises at all. Furthermore, you yourself quote Hebrews 11:5 while completely ignoring the really straightforward bit that Enoch did not experience or see death. 5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. Hebrews 11:5 (NIV) That is always very bad practice in interpreting the Bible. The Bible is not to be ignored in the things that it says, even if we feel that it should. If it says that Enoch did not experience death, then Enoch did not experience death. If it also says that Enoch's life on earth was brought to an end as is the case for all who die, then we ought to accept too that Enoch's life on earth ended at some point. Is there a contradiction? It would be wise to not accuse the Lord of lying. He never contradicts Himself. However, He is infinitely wiser than the wisest exegetes, so being patient to hear His explanation is always an excellent policy. What then does the Bible mean in the case of Enoch? Before I offer my own answer, I'll point out that Enoch was not the only one whose passage from this life was weird. The Bible records two others. 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Deuteronomy 34:5-6 (NIV) 11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. 12 Elisha saw this and cried out, “My father! My father! The chariots and horsemen of Israel!” And Elisha saw him no more. 2 Kings 2:11-12a (NIV) Now, the first passage above might seem normal, but it would be wise to note that Moses's gravesite was never known to any human being at all, and that is weird for any human being who is said to have died. Some people do die at sea. Some are consumed by animals. Some are cremated. Some are buried. In every single case, the site of one's final departure is not entirely beyond human knowledge, even if it may be unknown at first for lack of a witness. The following is why Moses's gravesite is unknown: 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Jude 1:9 (NIV) Now, why on earth would an archangel (third highest rank of angels and grand commanders in the Lord's armies) be disputing with the rebel cherub (highest rank of angels and the only one prior to the Satanic rebellion) and ruler of the kingdom of darkness over the physical body of one believer? Why is the body important since every other body has suffered the same fate of decay? This conundrum is how we can be certain that Moses's death was quite unusual. If we are still skeptical, it is useful to note that even at 120 years old, the Bible made a point of telling us that Moses was not even remotely at the door of death. People that healthy simply don't just die, if they are not violently dispatched from the world. So, Moses's death was unique, just like Enoch's and later Elijah's were as well. So, what does it mean if these people are gone from this life and yet we have language that is suggestive of an unusual passage from this life? And why does the Bible say specifically that Enoch did not see or experience death? I believe that the key is in Hebrews 11:5. It says there that Enoch was translated. As you very ably explained, that means that his location was merely changed, but obviously in an unusual way. So, now we must ask about locations. Prior to the Cross of Jesus Christ, all human beings who died, whether they died as believers or as unbelievers, were taken to Sheol (or Hades, as the Greek has it). Of course, they weren't all put in the same place (that would be absurd), but Sheol was the world of the dead and of the prison of rebellious angels. 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” 13 And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.” 14 So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” 16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.” 1 Samuel 28:12-19 (NKJV) 11 “Why did I not die at birth? Why did I not perish when I came from the womb? 12 Why did the knees receive me? Or why the breasts, that I should nurse? 13 For now I would have lain still and been quiet, I would have been asleep; Then I would have been at rest 14 With kings and counselors of the earth, Who built ruins for themselves, 15 Or with princes who had gold, Who filled their houses with silver; 16 Or why was I not hidden like a stillborn child, Like infants who never saw light? 17 There the wicked cease from troubling, And there the weary are at rest. 18 There the prisoners rest together; They do not hear the voice of the oppressor. 19 The small and great are there, And the servant is free from his master. Job 3:11-19 (NKJV) 5 “The departed spirits tremble Under the waters and their inhabitants. Job 26:5 (NASB) 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luke 16:22-23 (NKJV) 26 And besides all this, between us [Abraham, Lazarus and other departed believers] and you [the rich man and other unbelievers] there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ Luke 16:26 (NKJV) That is, in Sheol, before the Cross, all believers who died were gathered to one place, called Paradise and Abraham's Bosom by the Lord Jesus (see also Luke 23:43). This is because, without a worthy sacrifice, there can be no remission of sins (Hebrews 9:22), so until the Lord Jesus died, the Lord only forgave sins "on credit", so to speak. Animal sacrifice served only as a symbol of the Cross of Jesus Christ, so believers of old who carried it out did it as an expression of their faith in the Messiah who would come later to die for their sins. This is why they were called "prisoners" 18 There the prisoners rest together; They do not hear the voice of the oppressor. Job 3:18 (NKJV) 16 “Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’ Isaiah 14:16-17 (NKJV) They were unable to go to Heaven because they were sinners too. But because they believed in the Messiah that the Lord had promised that He would send to die for human sin (Genesis 3:15), they were taken to a place of delight (that is why it is called a Paradise) separate from the place of Torments where unbelievers who died were deposited. This was where they all waited until Jesus came and died for all human sin and opened the way for them to go and be with their Father in Heaven: 8 Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.” 9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) Ephesians 4:8-10 (NKJV) As we know, when the Lord Jesus died, He went down into Sheol (Ephesians 4:9 above; 1 Peter 3:19; Luke 23:43). When He rose from the dead, however, He didn't leave Sheol alone. He took with Him all the believers of old and brought them back to the Third Heaven with Him, which is why Paul was able to say the following through the Spirit 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24 (NKJV) All this is to say that when Enoch was translated (and when Moses and Elijah were taken in the unique manner in which they each were), they were taken to Paradise where fellow Old Testament believers who had finished their work here on earth were taken too. When the Lord Jesus took these Old Testament believers to the Third Heaven, He took them too. In conclusion, in so far as you define death as removal from this mortal realm - whatever the means by which this is done, then Enoch died. But clearly the Bible makes something of a subtle difference in how it defines death. This is why the living resurrection of the saints who will be alive when Jesus returns is so important: 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 (NKJV) So, some of us have a guarantee from the Lord that we will never actually experience death. Rather, we will live to see the Lord Jesus return and in that moment of His Return we will experience the change of our mortal bodies into immortal, powerful ones like the one that our Lord now has. I would say then that it would be wise to look at death as the Bible looks at it, not as you yourself do. Death is a truncation of existence on the mortal plane in some radical way that has to do with a disruption of human desire and expectation. Translation and resurrection are something else altogether. Yes, one who has been translated from the mortal earthly plane has had their existence here on earth truncated, but not in such a way that human desire and expectation has been cut short, rather it is in a way that this desire and expectation has been fully met. Enoch walked so closely with the Lord that the Lord took him to be with Him, rather than cut short his life here on earth. You could almost say that there was nothing of any value left for him anymore on earth, so there was no further point sticking around, since all his desire and expectation was with the Lord. Likewise, in the living resurrection, those believers who are changed triumph over death. The Bible does not treat death like a positive thing. It treats it like an enemy. In fact, it calls it one (1 Corinthians 15:26). This is the reason that it is important that we respect what the Bible says about Enoch. Enoch's translation is in the Bible as a type of the living resurrection of the Church. Dismissing that costs us a significant blessing of encouragement that the Lord provides for us, especially for those who will live through the Tribulation. 2 Likes |
| Re: Enoch Walked With God And He Died by Ihedinobi3: 8:07pm On Oct 08, 2020 |
Darnley: If one is adamant in rejecting a clear statement from the Bible, that is often proof that one is hardened in unbelief. I think that that statement from Hebrews 11 is not confusing in the slightest. It would do you good to let it be what it says it is. If the issue is that Jesus said that no one who keeps or abides by his teaching will never see death, then it is good to remember that there is more than one thing that the Bible calls "death." According to the Bible, there is physical death that truncates physical existence in this world. It only ends one's opportunity to make choices regarding God while we are in this world. It does not do anything to our consciousness or to our spiritual or eternal status in God's eyes. 27 And . . . it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment Hebrews 9:27 (NKJV) There is also spiritual death that actually means that we are estranged from God, considered His enemies rather than His children. This is the condition of all human beings from birth because of our sins. When we believe the Gospel, this death is removed and we are born again/anew/from above as children of God. This does not affect our physical existence on the earth, but it affects our eternal destiny: if we remain spiritually dead until the point of physical death, we will share in the condemnation of God's enemies; if we don't, we will share in the acceptance of God's children. It is also the death that Adam and Eve experienced when they sinned against the Lord in the Garden of Eden. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. Genesis 3:24 (NKJV) 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— Romans 5:12 (NKJV) 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses Colossians 2:13 (NKJV) Finally, there is the "Second Death" that is the lot of all those who remain rebellious against God until the end of their physical lives. This is the death that is completely and perfectly irreversible. One who has physically died may be raised to life again, just as the many miracles of resuscitation that our Lord Jesus performed proves. One who is spiritually dead may yet be reconciled to God as long as they still live. But once anyone is thrown into the Lake of Fire, there is no reversal for that. The second death is the final separation that any human can experience from God and all His good gifts. It does not affect our consciousness, of course. Like physical death, it just removes us from one "plane" of existence to another. Those who experience the Second Death can never again experience anything good, their whole experience for eternity will be evil. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14-15 (NKJV) So, of course, because he had a sin nature, Enoch too experienced the spiritual death that we all do until he believed in the Lord. From that time on and as long as he continued to believe, which obviously he did, he was not obliged to experience either physical death or the second death. The second death, after all, has no power over those who believe. The physical death is one that we all experience unless it pleases the Lord to except us from it, and the Lord is perfectly at liberty to grant us an exception from it, just as He clearly did in the case of Enoch and will do in the case of those who experience the living resurrection at the return of Jesus Christ. Edited. 1 Like 1 Share |
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