youghs:


I hope the remaining two are CH5

Toju200:
pls remove it

UltimateDreamer:


dopeness of life...
hopefully the UAV champions will take this as a win... because it is a win....10 CH4's(if confirmed) will greatly improve situational awareness for personnel on the front line. 30-40 hours loiter time , with precision weapons (AR-1 or AR-2) should reduce the instances of ambush suffered by military personnel. We need more though, at least 40 - 50 of these; 10-15 always operational 10-15 as standby(take over from operational UAV's after 1 month; maintenance schedule) 10-15 for external engagements(coastal/west Africa/Sahel) 10-15 for continuous training, eventually no military patrol team/ strike team in Nigeria should leave base without the cover of a designated UAV ready to be re-directed to specified coordinates. Although we need many more small and specialized tactical UAV's, for example: tethered drones for base perimeter security, the super camps have made bases a lot safer but having tethered UAV's in camp to provide additional layer of perimeter security wouldn't hurt.
Now, talking about one weak link we will definitely encounter with using these drones: precision munitions; the military needs to start looking at ways of reverse engineering the AR 1 missile that they got with the CH3 drones, they definitely will been acquiring more air to ground missiles along with the new purchase of the Ch4 UAV's but judging from the videos released by DHQ about 70% of the strikes are dumb bombs, they are accurate enough but boosting the level of precision strikes to 60% will greatly increase the efficiency of the CH4 platform. AR-1 missile should and must be reverse engineered, the newer and lighter AR-2 should also be looked into. AR-1 is a replica of the AGM-114 Hellfire. The military need to cut down the cost of these precision munitions in order to strike even more effectively. MOU's between the military and technical colleges, private universities, steel/aluminum fabrication companies, private software companies should help speed development. Some of the components of an air to ground missile like the Hellfire or AR-1 include, laser seeker, rocket propulsion(military already has this figured out), guidance(motherboard, circuits, semiconductors and software) this section can be replicated using Raspberry pi or Arduino boards. The warhead section, well, they can figure this one out too. Point is once one is disassembled by a group of very curious engineers the smartest physics students working with capable software engineers, they should be able to replicate it using mostly off the shelf components; the replicated missile might be larger at first but so long as it works, they can figure out how to make the next one smaller. Nigeria has all the required professional personnel needed for a project like this.

dragon2:


I agree 1000%. The MOD should set aside a percentage of budget for missiles tech,maybe work with South Africa. Getting a seeker head will allow us develop local,air to air, air to ground,surface to surface and anti ship missiles. The reduced costs will allow more frequent exercises in weapons deployment by the three arms. Also,a swarm of SDB3/4 with local made anti ship missiles would be a last line of independent defence at sea. Propulsion is partially done,we really need seeker heads.

UltimateDreamer:


dopeness of life...
hopefully the UAV champions will take this as a win... because it is a win....10 CH4's(if confirmed) will greatly improve situational awareness for personnel on the front line. 30-40 hours loiter time , with precision weapons (AR-1 or AR-2) should reduce the instances of ambush suffered by military personnel. We need more though, at least 40 - 50 of these; 10-15 always operational 10-15 as standby(take over from operational UAV's after 1 month; maintenance schedule) 10-15 for external engagements(coastal/west Africa/Sahel) 10-15 for continuous training, eventually no military patrol team/ strike team in Nigeria should leave base without the cover of a designated UAV ready to be re-directed to specified coordinates. Although we need many more small and specialized tactical UAV's, for example: tethered drones for base perimeter security, the super camps have made bases a lot safer but having tethered UAV's in camp to provide additional layer of perimeter security wouldn't hurt.
Now, talking about one weak link we will definitely encounter with using these drones: precision munitions; the military needs to start looking at ways of reverse engineering the AR 1 missile that they got with the CH3 drones, they definitely will been acquiring more air to ground missiles along with the new purchase of the Ch4 UAV's but judging from the videos released by DHQ about 70% of the strikes are dumb bombs, they are accurate enough but boosting the level of precision strikes to 60% will greatly increase the efficiency of the CH4 platform. AR-1 missile should and must be reverse engineered, the newer and lighter AR-2 should also be looked into. AR-1 is a replica of the AGM-114 Hellfire. The military need to cut down the cost of these precision munitions in order to strike even more effectively. MOU's between the military and technical colleges, private universities, steel/aluminum fabrication companies, private software companies should help speed development. Some of the components of an air to ground missile like the Hellfire or AR-1 include, laser seeker, rocket propulsion(military already has this figured out), guidance(motherboard, circuits, semiconductors and software) this section can be replicated using Raspberry pi or Arduino boards. The warhead section, well, they can figure this one out too. Point is once one is disassembled by a group of very curious engineers the smartest physics students working with capable software engineers, they should be able to replicate it using mostly off the shelf components; the replicated missile might be larger at first but so long as it works, they can figure out how to make the next one smaller. Nigeria has all the required professional personnel needed for a project like this.

demolition:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGHadeUjM_H/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Xbee007:

Old. Very old

Toju200:
This will be my last post on this Tucano and wing Loong issue..
We're here to learn right so nobody's forming I too know.
I'm not against the Wing Loong drones of course we do need drones.but 50 drones to do what bro I'm still curious if they can be deployed In swarms,bec because I don't see why we'll buy 50 wing Loong for $500mil(According to you) dude you've not even looked at the Cost of maintenance,Weaponry, Training of pilots, Training of maintenance crew, Spares e.t.c
You just budgeted 50 drones without with the whole money without looking at other things .
Now look at What the $400+mil covers for the Tucano deal
1.12 Aircraft
2.Spare Parts
3.Training of pilots
4.Training Maintenance crew
5.Large amount of Weapons for both training and actual combat
6.New Facility for The Aircrafts at ACTG niger state( They will still pay contractors building it o )
7.Flight stimulator

Now the Tucano is a beast compared to the Wing Loong agreed?
There are a lot the Tucano has to offer than Wing Loong better still we still need the drones They're unique in the very own way
The only problem we're having is the delivery date.



I think I'm done with the Tucano debate.
Others should share ideas naw.why is it only me and Chairman here

Toju200:
Budget release

komekn:


50 Wing Loong II UAV's will cost about £$50 million additional armaments precision weaponry and ATGM another 10 million.

I dont make assumptive opinions based on emotional sentiments. l will substantiate my opinion and or deduction, in addition l don't anchor my opinion on somebody else's. With regards to the bold how did you arrive at that deduction ❓

Months ago l substantiated my deduction with comparative analysis. With regards to the A29 being vastly overpriced.

I am concerned with the HERE and NOW, because too many Nigerian combatants who are peoples sons, fathers, brothers, uncles friends have died needlessly.

The lives of our soldiers are precious and priceless. And no cost should be spared to protect them and enable them to do their jobs effectively.

I have also done a substantive cost appraisal of how much it will cost for 2 minutes of 20mm cannon fire from a Tucano A29

A Wing Loong II, can hover over the areas of contention for 40 hours silently . That's ISTAR capability as well that means no hiding place night or day for Boko.

It means Boko cannot drive in convoys of gun trucks and or motorbikes at anytime to attack remote and isolated villages.

It means that we IDENTIFY, PURSUE, OVERTAKE and ANNIHILATE the word REPEL will no longer be in the diction of the Nigerian armed forces.

Anytime if they Boko manage to attack or we allow them.to attack we can track them silently to thier operating bases for days or wIeeks. Then with precision weaponry fry the entire base and it's personal.

It means troops can.be directed with proper intelligence, battlefield management and strategy.

It means troops will. NEVER have to be worried about ambushes or fighting without intelligence blindly.

Value for money what it costs for one Tucano you can get 35 -40 Wing Loong II UAV's in the HERE and NOW. If one gets shot down although very very unlikely Boko dont have that technology. But if it did happen no pilot is lost or captured.

Finally with the $540+ million left we can buy used and refurbished Su 25 and more heavy lift helicopters MI8. Then procure refurbished some new at least 2500 - 3000 multiple armoured vehicles platforms IFV's, MRAP's, MBT's, APC's, LAV's., etc.

That's my rational and I can easily substantiate it and not by assumptive ignorance.

Thats why I find it incomprehensible and bewildering that we are facing an existential threat with a very high casualty rate. And we went to buy aircraft with limited impact that will take 6 years to be full delivered and 3+ years for the first one to be delivered.

It just doesn't make any sense .


We are very seriously struggling in the NE and have effectively LOST CONTROL.

komekn:


50 Wing Loong II UAV's will cost about £$50 million additional armaments precision weaponry and ATGM another 10 million.

I dont make assumptive opinions based on emotional sentiments. l will substantiate my opinion and or deduction, in addition l don't anchor my opinion on somebody else's. With regards to the bold how did you arrive at that deduction ❓

Months ago l substantiated my deduction with comparative analysis. With regards to the A29 being vastly overpriced.

I am concerned with the HERE and NOW, because too many Nigerian combatants who are peoples sons, fathers, brothers, uncles friends have died needlessly.

The lives of our soldiers are precious and priceless. And no cost should be spared to protect them and enable them to do their jobs effectively.

I have also done a substantive cost appraisal of how much it will cost for 2 minutes of 20mm cannon fire from a Tucano A29

A Wing Loong II, can hover over the areas of contention for 40 hours silently . That's ISTAR capability as well that means no hiding place night or day for Boko.

It means Boko cannot drive in convoys of gun trucks and or motorbikes at anytime to attack remote and isolated villages.

It means that we IDENTIFY, PURSUE, OVERTAKE and ANNIHILATE the word REPEL will no longer be in the diction of the Nigerian armed forces.

Anytime if they Boko manage to attack or we allow them.to attack we can track them silently to thier operating bases for days or weeks. Then with precision weaponry fry the entire base and it's personal.

It means troops can.be directed with proper intelligence, battlefield management and strategy.

It means troops will. NEVER have to be worried about ambushes or fighting without intelligence blindly.

Value for money what it costs for one Tucano you can get 35 -40 Wing Loong II UAV's in the HERE and NOW. If one gets shot down although very very unlikely Boko dont have that technology. But if it did happen no pilot is lost or captured.

Finally with the $540+ million left we can buy used and refurbished Su 25 and more heavy lift helicopters MI8. Then procure refurbished some new at least 2500 - 3000 multiple armoured vehicles platforms IFV's, MRAP's, MBT's, APC's, LAV's., etc.

That's my rational and I can easily substantiate it and not by assumptive ignorance.

Thats why I find it incomprehensible and bewildering that we are facing an existential threat with a very high casualty rate. And we went to buy aircraft with limited impact that will take 6 years to be full delivered and 3+ years for the first one to be delivered.

It just doesn't make any sense .


We are very seriously struggling in the NE and have effectively LOST CONTROL.

giles14:
how much are we really paying for those 3 jf-17?
this thingt don dey turn scam.

rka1:


Being paid in installments since 2017 so this is the final instalment . Remember, The Pakistan Government gave a sovereign guarantee of $184.3m so it has to be paid back .

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23560/Pakistan_Provides_Sovereign_Guarantee_for_Sale_of_3_JF_17_Fighter_Jets_to_Nigeria#.X4F90HrTWdk

giles14:
thansks
but is the $184.3mls just for 3 birds

misky2000:
This is a very enlightenment thread. I have actually learnt alot. Please how true is it that proforce is currently building armed drones and a frigate

Toju200:
Budget release

youghs:
I hope this endsars protest won't make US cancel the super tucano deal

Odunayaw:
The police will be using the Tucanos abi?

youghs:


on the basis of human rights violation. that's what they said the last time.

Odunayaw:
The rights they complained about was military related