Jozzy4:


Barnes even said probably cos he knows na mumu explanation . no wonder Emusan didn't want to quote it himself.

You mean your demonic organization and you don't use the word PROBABLY!

Emusan:


Mr deluded JWs!

But all BELIEVERS NAMES are already in the book of life.

If all who rise were sinners, there would have been no need to open the books and search for names . Let me remind you


And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Verse 15 said those whose names were not find in the book of life were Sentenced to second death.

This is a different ressurection . The first ressurection automatically make you in the book of life .

These are the ones who be affected by the second death.

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Don't forget this ones also ressurect ?
This is proof that it's a different ressurection. U can't be affected by second death if u are raised in the first ressurection.

Jozzy4:
More cracks , You should not have tried to defend nonsense ... That Greek word identified a male human being. So it means Jesus apart from having flesh and blood, also possess male genitals.

Now, it's Greek turn

Dull head, he wants to start diverting attention to irrelevant things.

What does possessing male genitals has to do with this or what is the usefulness of male genitals at resurrection?

Maybe the next thing you'll tell us now is that Jesus must be having sexual feeling if He was still a man.

But Paul said it loud and clear "....THROUGH A MAN God has appointed..."

Crack head , When God have the name human,it was for flesh and blood beings. Genesis 5:2 is not in your Bible ?

Crack head

Then you don't know anything about resurrection go and learn more!

Emusan:


Now, it's Greek turn

Dull head, he wants to start diverting attention to irrelevant things.

What does possessing male genitals has to do with this or what is the usefulness of male genitals at resurrection?

Maybe the next thing you'll tell us now is that Jesus must be having sexual feeling if He was still a man.

But Paul said it loud and clear "....THROUGH A MAN God has appointed..."

Crack head , It's a case of identity not his nature if it's his nature , then he is a male human being with flesh and blood.

Crack head

Then you don't know anything about resurrection go and learn more!

Those called Humans are flesh and blood . Dummy , Check Genesis 5:2

Jozzy4:
If all who rise were sinners, there would have been no need to open the books and search for names . Let me remind you

ALL BELIEVERS have the same type of Christ resurrection!

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

Verse 15 said those whose names were not find in the book of life were Sentenced to second death.

"STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE"

So this is actually HEAVENN because there was no THRONE set up ON EARTH!

Now, it's getting interesting but you'll see how the deluded JWs will change mouth about throne!

This is a different ressurection . The first ressurection automatically make you in the book of life .


Don't forget this ones also ressurect ?
This is proof that it's a different ressurection. U can't be affected by second death if u are raised in the first ressurection.

ALL BELIEVERS are immune to second death according to Rev 2:11 unless you're not a victorious.

Jozzy4:
Crack head , It's a case of identity not his nature if it's his nature , then he is a male human being with flesh and blood.

Identity indeed.....lying liar

There is one mediator between God and man, "THE MAN JESUS"

This is also identity because the deluded JWs want it to be.

Those called Humans are flesh and blood . Dummy , Check Genesis 5:2

But resurrection will change the immortal body to glorified bodies like that of Christ.

Ode osi

Emusan:


ALL BELIEVERS have the same type of Christ resurrection!

Ignorance 2.3 version
So which ressurection do the unbeliever have ?

"STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE"

So this is actually HEAVENN because there was no THRONE set up ON EARTH!

Now, it's getting interesting but you'll see how the deluded JWs will change mouth about throne!



ALL BELIEVERS are immune to second death according to Rev 2:11 unless you're not a victorious.

We can agree even Evildoers will be in heaven. Yes ?

Emusan:


Identity indeed.....lying liar

There is one mediator between God and man, "THE MAN JESUS"

This is also identity because the deluded JWs want it to be.

If it not identity, a Man is flesh and blood by nature. Accepted ?

But resurrection will change the immortal body to glorified bodies like that of Christ.

Ode osi

So which ressurection will unbelievers have ?

Jozzy4:


Barnes even said probably cos he knows na mumu explanation . no wonder Emusan didn't want to quote it himself.

The guy has no clue .

Barristter07:


e want make Dem dey use am pass ball like Barca team .

His headache is meeting JWs on the internet and discovering that the same JWs who always avoid arguements during their house to house ministry have lots of biblical points to knock him off balance with the gibberish he called beliefs.

Jozzy4:


If it not identity, a Man is flesh and blood by nature. Accepted ?



So which ressurection will unbelievers have ?

Tiki taka , one two.

Jozzy4:

If it not identity, a Man is flesh and blood by nature. Accepted ?
So which ressurection will unbelievers have?

$1m question!

After all Paul said there is going to be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous! Act 24:15

Jozzy4:
If it not identity, a Man is flesh and blood by nature. Accepted?

Which is still corruptible but after resurrection with a glorified body. Man will still have flesh and bones as Jesus has.

So which ressurection will unbelievers have ?

Both unbelievers and believers will be resurrected back to human but the believers own will be regenerated by the spirit to conform with the glorious body of Christ.

Emusan, and any other interested person - can you give me bible verses that expressly shows that man will live forever in heaven?

Jozzy4:

Ignorance 2.3 version
So which ressurection do the unbeliever have ?

Delusion reloaded!

Resurrection! Which simply means raising FROM DEATH!

But unbelievers will be raised to condemnation while believers to life eternal...the eternal is the glorious body after that of Christ.

We can agree even Evildoers will be in heaven. Yes ?

"STAND BEFORE THE THRONE"

Tell us where the throne is located first!

Crack head!

MaxInDHouse:


$1m question!

After all Paul said there is going to be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous! Act 24:15

He has fumbled already

Blabbermouth:
Emusan, and any other interested person - can you give me bible verses that expressly shows that man will live forever in heaven?

We are not going to LIVE FOREVER in heaven but be in heaven until the whole process of God's salvation has been accomplished.

There will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth! Says the Holy scripture.

Emusan:


Which is still corruptible but after resurrection with a glorified body. Man will still have flesh and bones as Jesus has.

Stop telling lies, the word human is flesh and blood.

" He created them male and female, and he blessed them and called them “human.” Genesis 5:2

The worst is your man tag to Jesus carry the idea of a male human being, so it means there will be females as well . Genders In heaven

Guy , you don't have any reasoning

Both unbelievers and believers will be resurrected back to human [i] but the believers own will be regenerated by the spirit to conform with the glorious body of Christ.

They also have flesh and bones like Christ.
So those of unbelievers is not glorious human body ?? Which body is it ??

Different stupi.d theories from Emusan

Humans as male and females in heaven. You need prayers

Emusan:


Delusion reloaded!

Resurrection! Which simply means raising FROM DEATH!

But unbelievers will be raised to condemnation while believers to life eternal...the eternal is the glorious body after that of Christ.

I thought anyone that is ressurected cannot be condemned ? Rev 20:5,6 anyone having a part in first ressurection cannot be overpowered by second death.

"STAND BEFORE THE THRONE"

Tell us where the throne is located first!

Crack head!

You have said it's heaven, so definitely even evildoers will be in heaven.

Barristter07:

think twice next time before opening threads to discuss what you don't understand.

You who have received him has Lord and Savior couldn't stand the reasoning from scriptures. Are u deceiving yourself ?

The next thread is your numerous failed prophecies. Jehovah Witness is a false organization. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. Wolves in sheep's clothing. They oppose every truth of God's word. And your destruction is certain. Russell is has been suffering torment in hell since he died.

Jozzy4:
I thought anyone that is ressurected cannot be condemned? Rev 20:5,6 anyone having a part in first ressurection cannot be overpowered by second death.

Who said the @bolden?

That's why I always say you people lack simple comprehension!

Even despite the fact that I do capitalize the phrase "ALL BELIEVERS"

ALL BELIEVERS can't be AFFECTED by the second death says the Holy scripture Rev 2:11

You have said it's heaven, so definitely even evildoers will be in heaven.

Is it not heaven?

Tell us the location

Crack head!

Jozzy4:
Stop telling lies, the word human is flesh and blood.

" He created them male and female, and he blessed them and called them “human.” Genesis 5:2

See the lying liar who keep jumping like kangaroo.

the only person appointed by God to judge is "A MAN.."

You can tear that from your lying translation out of frustration.

The worst is your man tag to Jesus carry the idea of a male human being, so it means there will be females as well . Genders In heaven

I know what you'll still come up with is that their must be sexual feelings in heaven, just wait and see.

Guy , you don't have any reasoning

And your sense isn't even there in the first place.

They also have flesh and bones like Christ.
So those of unbelievers is not glorious human body ?? Which body is it??

Their bodies is still flesh and blood, and won't be QUICKNEN which is the difference between unbelievers and believers because unbelievers don't have the Spirit of God in them.

ROMANS 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Different stupi.d theories from Emusan

When lying liar is put to shame, he gets confused!

Humans as male and females in heaven. You need prayers

He's coming with human will be having sex in heaven just wait and see.

Deluded JWs lying liar!

Emusan:


We are not going to LIVE FOREVER in heaven but be in heaven until the whole process of God's salvation has been accomplished.

Afterwards, where do we all go to live forever?
(do include, where Jesus the Christ also go)

There will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth! Says the Holy scripture.

Ehen?

Blabbermouth:

Afterwards, where do we all go to live forever?
(do include, where Jesus the Christ also go)

The new earth which is called New Yahrusalem!

Christ will hand over to his Father so that God may be ALL IN ALL

PHILLIPS: Nevertheless, when everything created has been made obedient to God, then shall the Son acknowledge himself subject to God the Father, who gave the Son power over all things. Thus, in the end, shall God be wholly and absolutely God. 1 Corin 15:28

Let me add Benson commentary so that you can grab the point:

Benson Commentary

1 Corinthians 15:28. When all things shall be subdued — Or, rather, subjected, (as υποταγη properly signifies,) unto him, and there is no longer need of a prophet to teach, nor of a priest to make atonement and intercede, nor of a king to deliver, protect, and govern under God, the Father will resume the government; and then, even the Son himself shall be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God — Or the Godhead; may be all in all — May be over all beings, in all places, and the immediate object of their worship and service. Or rather, may be all things in and to his intelligent creatures, saints, and angels, by a full communication of himself to them, and an intimate union with them.

Ehen?

I don't understand!

Emusan:


The new earth which is called New Yahrusalem!

Christ will hand over to his Father so that God may be ALL IN ALL

Everyone, including Christ and his 144,000 are returning to earth to live forever, right?

PHILLIPS: Nevertheless, when everything created has been made obedient to God, then shall the Son acknowledge himself subject to God the Father, who gave the Son power over all things. Thus, in the end, shall God be wholly and absolutely God. 1 Corin 15:28

Let me add Benson commentary so that you can grab the point:

Benson Commentary

1 Corinthians 15:28. When all things shall be subdued — Or, rather, subjected, (as υποταγη properly signifies,) unto him, and there is no longer need of a prophet to teach, nor of a priest to make atonement and intercede, nor of a king to deliver, protect, and govern under God, the Father will resume the government; and then, even the Son himself shall be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God — Or the Godhead; may be all in all — May be over all beings, in all places, and the immediate object of their worship and service. Or rather, may be all things in and to his intelligent creatures, saints, and angels, by a full communication of himself to them, and an intimate union with them.

Understood.

I don't understand!

What is the NEW HEAVEN and the NEW EARTH.
What will happen to the old heaven and the old earth?
Is it a reformation or a recreation?

Barristter07:

Is your conscience disturbing you ? John 4:24 God's nature is spirit.

E be like angels big pass Jesus after he ressurect since he doesn't have God's nature according to mr livingchrist

Yes God is Spirit but a different spirit from that of angels.

Jesus said he had flesh and bones which spirits do not have.

Jesus is both man and God, so Jesus has both God's nature and human nature in one.

That Jesus has a human nature is clear from the bible
1. Jesus said so
2. Jesus is the High priest, ( spirits cannot be an high priest because an high priest must be from the same people, having same nature)
3. Resurrection only applies to the body not the spirit. Jesus did not die as a spirit so can not be resurrected as a spirit as what dies is not the spirit but body, now if you say Jesus wasnt resurrected on his body then there was no resurrection at all.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christ wasnt put to death in the spirit but in the flesh, since resurrection means restoring, then it would only mean Jesus was restored with a human body since what was killed was his flesh so what would be restored is his body.

This is from the bible, Jesus died in the flesh but was made alive through the spirit as a human but more of a spiritual man than physical.

livingchrist:

Yes God is Spirit but a different spirit from that of angels.

Jesus said he had flesh and bones which spirits do not have.

Jesus is both man and God, so Jesus has both God's nature and human nature in one.

That Jesus has a human nature is clear from the bible
1. Jesus said so
2. Jesus is the High priest, ( spirits cannot be an high priest because an high priest must be from the same people, having same nature)
3. Resurrection only applies to the body not the spirit. Jesus did not die as a spirit so can not be resurrected as a spirit as what dies is not the spirit but body, now if you say Jesus wasnt resurrected on his body then there was no resurrection at all.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christ wasnt put to death in the spirit but in the flesh, since resurrection means restoring, then it would only mean Jesus was restored with a human body since what was killed was his flesh so what would be restored is his body.

This is from the bible, Jesus died in the flesh but was made alive through the spirit as a human but more of a spiritual man than physical.

The bolded is exactly what is found in God's word {1Corinthians 15:44} but you prefer to keep arguing.
We all know that Jesus can only be one out of the two, it's either he was raised a spirit or he was raised in flesh.
He himself said before his execution "soon from now and the world will no more see me, but you will see me because i live and you will live" {John 14:19} Jesus is talking about the type of resurrection his followers should be expecting regarding him.
When he resurrected Lazarus everyone saw the dead man live again because Lazarus was raised in flesh, but Jesus is now saying the world (unbelievers) will not see him again, only his close confidants will see him because they're his own and as he promised he will do everything possible to make himself visible to his friends!
If he was flesh everyone will see him just as they saw Lazarus, but because he was raised in spirit only his friends were permitted to see him!
Though the time left for him is too short to start lecturing them about the resurrection of the ruling team which he himself is the number one, so he promised that the rest of the things they need to know will come to their understanding through God's Holy Spirit! John 16:12-13

So everything Jesus did after his resurrection was to instill in the minds of his loyal friends that he is now alive, he was never raised with flesh!

DappaD:


This one na solid food oh
Where you go burst him head na when you tell am say that first resurrection don already dey happen since 1914

Where you go burst him head na when you tell am say that first resurrection don already dey happen since 1914


scripture that says so or your doctrine

Emusan:


So God will destroy ALL HIS CHILDREN!



You're a liar!

SECOND DEATH itself is But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

No believer will ever involve in anything like this and still be part of Jesus follower.

And that Rev 2:11 points it out that, "WHOEVER is victorious will NEVER BE hurt by second death"

Lying liar JWs!

The moment you heard it is a REFERENCE to the first RESURRECTION should tell you the whole STORY. those guys pack full follow body

Revelation 2: 11 here it is

Let the one who has an ear hear+ what the spirit says to the congregations: The one who conquers+ will by no means be harmed by the second death.’+.........NWT

The reference in front of conquers is the below scripture

1 John 5:5....Who can conquer the world?a Is it not the one who [b]has faith that Jesus is the Son of God[/b]?b........NWT


Here is another

Revelation 2:7

Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations:+ To the one who conquers+ I will grant to eat of the tree of life,+ which is in the paradise of God.’..NWT


The reference in front of the conquer even in the NWT is 1 John 5:4 here it is....

because everyone who* has been born from God conquers the world.a And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith.......NWT


The asterisk in front of WHO in 1 John 5:4 even says literally........ EVERYTHING THAT.......NWT

Emusan:


See the lying liar who keep jumping like kangaroo.

the only person appointed by God to judge is "A MAN.."

You can tear that from your lying translation out of frustration.



I know what you'll still come up with is that their must be sexual feelings in heaven, just wait and see.



And your sense isn't even there in the first place.



Their bodies is still flesh and blood, and won't be QUICKNEN which is the difference between unbelievers and believers because unbelievers don't have the Spirit of God in them.

ROMANS 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



When lying liar is put to shame, he gets confused!



He's coming with human will be having sex in heaven just wait and see.

Deluded JWs lying liar!

The image has something to do with this JESUS MAN of a thing. How does JESUS look like HERE? How does the 144,000 aka corulers with JESUS look like here?


Na you go laugh tire

Emusan:


You mean your demonic organization and you don't use the word PROBABLY!

Oga no go that area ooooo. We can't afford to DIVE into masters of speculations and assumptions

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded is exactly what is found in God's word {1Corinthians 15:44} but you prefer to keep arguing.

I only replied barrister, so I do not know where the argument is coming from.

We all know that Jesus can only be one out of the two, it's either he was raised a spirit or he was raised in flesh.

@bolded can you come up with the verse that said Jesus was raised a spirit.
It is good not to misquote God's word, that is how the devil decieve people.

He himself said before his execution "soon from now and the world will no more see me, but you will see me because i live and you will live" {John 14:19} Jesus is talking about the type of resurrection his followers should be expecting regarding him.
When he resurrected Lazarus everyone saw the dead man live again because Lazarus was raised in flesh, but Jesus is now saying the world (unbelievers) will not see him again, only his close confidants will see him because they're his own and as he promised he will do everything possible to make himself visible to his friends!
If he was flesh everyone will see him just as they saw Lazarus, but because he was raised in spirit only his friends were permitted to see him!
Though the time left for him is too short to start lecturing them about the resurrection of the ruling team which he himself is the number one, so he promised that the rest of the things they need to know will come to their understanding through God's Holy Spirit! John 16:12-13

this is an unwarranted theory to cover up the erroneous teaching that debunks Jesus physical resurrection.
The question I want you to answer, when Jesus died, did he die as a Spirit or as a human?
There is nothing like resurrecting as a spirit since Spirits do not die.
Ca

So everything Jesus did after his resurrection was to instill in the minds of his loyal friends that he is now alive, he was never raised with flesh!

are you saying Jesus lied in order to instill a false notion?
You are in essence saying Jesus only decieved his disciples with appearance.

My last question to you and other jws is

Did Jesus lied that he had flesh and bones or not?