The last time I checked the companies producing all the so called “SUBSTANDARD” materials are registered in Nigeria and have their operating licenses here too.

They even sell in the open market and nothing has happened to them.

Are we safe to say the regulatory/professional bodies don’t know what they’re doing by allowing the client to decide for them?

#Nigeria

olageorgy:
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n3xt:


The owner is not at fault. The regulatory bodies should take a larger part of the blame.

I have a technical manual used by Zurich inspectors (230 page manual) to target inspection visits through a process of risk management.
The number of visits to different projects varies depending on the initial and ongoing risk assessment carried out by the inspectors.

After the inspection, the inspectors will provide a printed record indicating items inspected on the day for the particular stage of work and where necessary highlight areas that do not meet the accepted building standards for each project.

How will a homeowner or builder/contractor ever compromise when he’s fully aware that the inspectors will always be around to sign off each stage of work.

Why can’t we emulate what’s obtainable in developed countries of the world?

This same excuse is what LASBCA gave that the promoters of Lekki Gardens added additional 2 floors after approval.

The question remains what’s the work of the regulatory bodies. To react only when there’s structural failure.

Let’s not forget the helicopter crash few weeks ago. We later learnt it does not have approval

Pilot error. Not enough fuel to even start a post crash fire and the rotors were not rolling.

joycluv:
Exactly my observation. I wonder how people design/manage homes without a store or even extra space for keeping certain things. To me, I would rather not have a dinning or all these ante rooms but must have a storeroom.

Same here. As a woman I cannot emphasize enough the importance of having a store. It makes the house more organized and the rooms less congested. Eg baby bed, stroller, walker, bath, toys etc can be stored well after use until you need it again. All the big coolers that can't stay in the kitchen even my husband's tools stay in the store.

WE BUY DEAD/SCRAP BATTERIES!!!

We also buy off scrap/dead deep cycle batteries from any state to Lagos(T&C applies) .

12v 200a ..... N15,000
12v 150a.......N11,000
12v 100a.......N7,500
2v 500a.......N5,500

If outside Lagos state , send the scrap batteries to your nearby Lagos park & get your payment alert immediately after confirmatory remarks from me with the transport company manager / secretary or driver .

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kiekie1:


Hello, pls i don't really understand your quote ! Details are available for enquiry below

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Hello,
What dont you undertsand? Did l quote Bibeli or your advert?
You made an advert and l asked you the origins/maker of the battery so that l and others can make a well-informed decision, what is difficult to understand in that?
I am sure you understand that batteries from different countries have different qualities and command different price, so if you add country of manufacture to your advert, you are being 'open and honest' to your Customers.
And why should l be lured into a corner, to get information that other people can also benefit from, in an advert that was not made in a corner but openly on this thread?
Or are you finding it difficult to let people know that Chinese battery can be sold to unsuspecting Customers, at the same price as German/American-made batteries?
Just let me know so l can be of help, whenever l am not having Stomachache like now.

smallsmall:



Hello,
What dont you undertsand? Did l quote Bibeli or your advert?
You made an advert and l asked you the origins/maker of the battery so that l and others can make a well-informed decision, what is difficult to understand in that?
I am sure you understand that batteries from different countries have different qualities and command different price, so if you add country of manufacture to your advert, you are being 'open and honest' to your Customers.
And why should l be lured into a corner, to get information that other people can also benefit from, in an advert that was not made in a corner but openly on this thread?
Or are you finding it difficult to let people know that Chinese battery can be sold to unsuspecting Customers, at the same price as German/American-made batteries?
Just let me know so l can be of help, whenever l am not having Stomachache like now.

I don't still understand what you mean to be factual ! Internet has lot of info but most prospect's interested simply mail or call ! Cheer's

kiekie1:


I don't still understand what you mean to be factual ! Internet has lot of info but most prospect's interested simply mail or call ! Cheer's

By now, l think it is obvious you are dodging the obvious or have something to hide.
What is so difficult in a single line statement that says, 'state the country of origin' of the batteries you have put a price on?
If you cant understand that simple 5-word statement, why should anyone trust you to sell them Deep-Cycle batteries or any other important item of electricity?
Is it the duty of the prospective buyer to be searching the internet to find where you imported your batteries from or your duty to just tell us where the people you got the battery from, made it?
Honestly, l am begining to be afraid of you and your products. I am seriously considering Panels, Batteries and other accessories for personal use to about 5KVA as ligh tin my area is unreliable but............
If you can be this evasive on a simple thing, how is anyone sure that you are not even selling them used, dead batteries .... cleaned and
reconditioned to look like new ones?
Openness and Trust is most essential in business.

kopell:
I believe the major reason why most of those buildings are coming down in opinion, is the compromise in the integrity of the structural Iron component, for example if structural engineer recommends 16mm rods for section of the building with his calculations of weight. When going to purchase materials I’ve seen many 9mm rods label as 12mm and the cost is clear, those are sold for N 1750 each, while the right one and full size of 12 mm is sold N 2,200. The owner have to make decision on which one to buy. l bet you many of them will go for the cheap ones. I don’t understand why the engineer will put his name in line to forge ahead to continue the project when he knew is going to be disaster at the end, just because he wants to make money. In conclusion I think it better for engineers to proper advise their clients the danger of trying to save thousands and end up wasting millions with and people lives.

My iron seller who is very paddy with me also showed me something that shocked me:
He said what most of we buyers dont know is that there is a difference between Iron Rods produced from Iron-ore directly, and iron Rods produced from allmanners of recycled iron products.
He said the latter has a lower quality and that the METHOD OF RECYCLING it, as done here in Nigeria, retains a lot of the impurities in the final product, which is alos used to increase the volume of the iron rods and as such, it is not that strong as the former ones produced directly from iron-ore.
He then adviced me to buy just one Rod of a particular one he identified as produced from recycled materials and when l get home, l should ask Welder to turn it around and see if it will not snap and break. I refused and asked him to demonstrate IT right there, (l will pay for it if it breaks) and he did it and l was shocked when we compared it to the brownish original one.
So even if when the Engineer/Builder sticks to the specification of the Drawings, how can anyone trust that our Nigerians brothers are not selling you an inferior iron Rod for reinforcement due to greed and quick profit?
I have stopped wondering how a building with so much iron in it will just come down as if there was no iron in the Concrete, after that demonstration.
Other factors also contribute to collapse but this one seems unknown or ignored or both.

#NotBibeli, please l dont want to have stomach headache on Monday.

omanzo02:
Just wondering why are these type of iron rod mats not being used for decking and concrete work in Nigeria? They are readily available for installation, cost less time and work to install.

Its not used for decking because it's not the right reinforcement for decking concrete works. Check your structural design for reinforcement details.

It might look beautiful in the eye but doesn't poses the structural integrity to carry the load that it's meant to carry.

smallsmall:


Dennis3D should not be on that list, he is just starting out.
When did he become Oga? When people like Aventures, Abdul, etc dey dea?
Abeg, dont kill him for us o.

Ok sir. Thank you.

kopell:
I believe the major reason why most of those buildings are coming down in opinion, is the compromise in the integrity of the structural Iron component, for example if structural engineer recommends 16mm rods for section of the building with his calculations of weight. When going to purchase materials I’ve seen many 9mm rods label as 12mm and the cost is clear, those are sold for N 1750 each, while the right one and full size of 12 mm is sold N 2,200. The owner have to make decision on which one to buy. l bet you many of them will go for the cheap ones. I don’t understand why the engineer will put his name in line to forge ahead to continue the project when he knew is going to be disaster at the end, just because he wants to make money. In conclusion I think it better for engineers to proper advise their clients the danger of trying to save thousands and end up wasting millions with and people lives.

100%

EgunMogaji2:


I agree and I’ll wager that none has to do with curing.

I agree and totally support this, we have so many factors far beyond curing which are the main cause of these structural failures we are having.

if you like, pond your concrete or unleashed a whole dam on it. once other factors are not in check or in place, the structure is bound to go down sooner or later.

gbadexy:
I'm really curious though if we further wet our concrete for at least the first three days here in Nigeria. I haven't really noticed it.
I observe during my research on external screeding material using cement that wetting cement for in the early morning and late evening when the water would not quickly evaporate before the cement can fully utilize it for two to three days after the initial setting gives it very massive difference in strength than if it wasn't given subsequent wetting.
The cement still needs it water after that but gradually from the environment, excess unutilised water within it and so on.

Most do wet the concrete, so it does not crack...
I remembered doing that on my deckings for a whole week both early morning and evening. I prefer to leave my deckings for the whole month to cure... why rushing when I am not in competition with time or anyone. Safer than sorry.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Most do wet the concrete, so it does not crack...
I remembered doing that on my deckings for a whole week both early morning and evening. I prefer to leave my deckings for the whole month to cure... why rushing when I am not in competition with time or anyone. Safer than sorry.

Hajji M.

Hajji, maybe you don’t have the money to spend. It’s fine not to rush when you’re doing kobokobo.

You just have to “ranti omo eni ti iwo nse” (remember the son of who you are).

While it takes about 28 days for concrete to cure, I can find better things to do than to assume using quality materials makes it safe to continue to overload the structure.

This same issh applies to sandfilling of foundations. We do assume compacting with plate compactor will achieve the same result as natural compaction.

mufutau55:


Most do wet the concrete, so it does not crack...
I remembered doing that on my deckings for a whole week both early morning and evening. I prefer to leave my deckings for the whole month to cure... why rushing when I am not in competition with time or anyone. Safer than sorry.

Hajji M.

It should be standard practice Sir.

I can’t rememebr whether it’s on Quora or Skyscrapercity that this was asked:

Why is "China Speed" in construction so crazy and leaving the whole world in the dust?

The key is in modular building. Much of Chinese construction is done off site, in controlled factories where pieces can be efficiently assembled and then transported to the site. This makes construction effectively snapping together pieces of the building like legos. The most time consuming portions of construction, wiring and plumbing, is 90% finished.

This is possible because chinese buildings tend to standardize their internal construction. Ceiling height. Room size. Placement of elevators and stairs are all consistent in these construction. This makes it easier for builders to build, since it’s pretty much the same building on the inside as the last thirty they’ve made.

In America, we transport the materials to the site and build everything on site. This is less efficient because everything has to be moved to the site. You have to co-ordinate between specialists. You have to run wire and pipe. There’s mistakes and delays.

The big question is: which makes for a better building? The Chinese model is absolutely faster and cheaper… but what are those buildings going to look like in 30–50–100 years? If they’re falling apart after 20, was the money saved worth the maintenance later? If they’re just as sound in 100 years as when they were built, then it was a big advantage.

Time will tell.

We have modular skyscrapers in Japan as an example though. The Nakagin capsule tower was built in 1970’s in 30 days using prefabricated cells. After 40 years, the residents were complaining of smells, drafts, asbestos risk, and cramped designs. When the architect died, it was demolished.


Take a look at this. It’ll give you idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvmru5JmXk

___________
Why is "China Speed" in construction so crazy and leaving the whole world in the dust?

Planning, planning and more planning!

Several aspects worth mentioning.

First is productivity rate, the Chinese are amongst the hardest working people on the planet. I worked in engineering construction for more than 20 years. The only people who work at the same rate were the South Koreans.

Secondly, everything is done in parallel, while they are digging the foundations in one place, they lay cable in another and elsewhere the pre-assembled units are built and equipped ready to be dropped into place.

Thirdly is the use of quick setting concrete, this stuff sets in a couple of hours as opposed to the several days it used to take.

Fourth, equipment take a look at the live streaming, the place is swamped with equipment, concrete pumps, cranes, dump trucks etc. And of course this is where planning and coordination are so necessary.

n3xt:

The question remains what’s the work of the regulatory bodies. To react only when there’s structural failure.

Sorry... part of your post is quoted...
The work of regulatory agencies is: "Egunje"

Hajji M.

EgunMogaji2:

It should be standard practice Sir.

True Sir.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Sorry... part of your post is quoted...
The work of regulatory agencies is: "Egunje"

Hajji M.

My point exactly. A lot of these collapsed buildings have approvals. The inspectors have visited them and even conducted integrity tests but they’re the who teaches engineers what to do during the tests.

Lekki Garden was approved.
SCOAN got approval.

The most corrupt people in Nigeria are in the Civil Service.

n3xt:

Hajji, maybe you don’t have the money to spend. It’s fine not to rush when you’re doing kobokobo.

You just have to “ranti omo eni ti iwo nse” (remember the son of who you are).

While it takes about 28 days for concrete to cure, I can find better things to do than to assume using quality materials makes it safe to continue to overload the structure.

This same issh applies to sandfilling of foundations. We do assume compacting with plate compactor will achieve the same result as natural compaction.

Not everything is about availability of funds o. I just take priority in anything I do ni o.
I know most contractor will not want to wait the 28days because they want to finish the building on time and make their money kiakia.
Even the foundation sandfilling you speak about do cause problems sometimes, may be not yours but we have heard many stories here.
May be if I was a rich and big time developer, I will reason in quick-quick build like you explained... but unfortunately I am just a kobo- kobo man o.

Hajji M.

Does anyone have any experience with solar water heaters, with the recently increased electricity tariff, bills would begin to skyrocket and we know most of the energy is consumed by electric water heaters in our kitchens and bathrooms. Alternative suggestions are welcomed.

smallsmall:


By now, l think it is obvious you are dodging the obvious or have something to hide.
What is so difficult in a single line statement that says, 'state the country of origin' of the batteries you have put a price on?
If you cant understand that simple 5-word statement, why should anyone trust you to sell them Deep-Cycle batteries or any other important item of electricity?
Is it the duty of the prospective buyer to be searching the internet to find where you imported your batteries from or your duty to just tell us where the people you got the battery from, made it?
Honestly, l am begining to be afraid of you and your products. I am seriously considering Panels, Batteries and other accessories for personal use to about 5KVA as ligh tin my area is unreliable but............
If you can be this evasive on a simple thing, how is anyone sure that you are not even selling them used, dead batteries .... cleaned and
reconditioned to look like new ones?
Openness and Trust is most essential in business.

Hello Sir, you aren't chatting with a newbie my dear ! I am not all you're postulating under assumptions. Apply due diligence before dropping vague statements . What you seek is quite elementary and fully available at your disposal if you follow simple replies above ! As you incessantly type at length, we've prospects chatting & transacting ! This isn't the right avenue to avoid derailing this thread ...
Take few points as noted below if this is what you really seek :

Brands & country of origin :
Trojan ....... USA
Quanta .. India
Luminous ... India
Genus ... India
Multipower .... India
Felicity ... China
Mercury ..... China
Bluegate ... China
Synergy .... India etc


If you need to make more detailed enquiry or transactions , be cool & redirect positive efforts to my inbox OR simply call me as most do ... Below are USA trojan battery units been supplied to a western based Nairaland client as seen in pallets ... Cheer's

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mufutau55:


Most do wet the concrete, so it does not crack...
I remembered doing that on my deckings for a whole week both early morning and evening. I prefer to leave my deckings for the whole month to cure... why rushing when I am not in competition with time or anyone. Safer than sorry.

Hajji M.

Ok, great sir. That means they understood the importance of proper hydration and curing on the integrity of the concrete.

gbadexy:

Ok, great sir. That means they understood the importance of proper hydration and curing on the integrity of the concrete.

They should understand the importance, it is their job.
Like EgunMan said " it should be the standard".
We all have the sense of doing the right thing, problem is actually doing it.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


They should understand the importance, it is their job.
Like EgunMan said " it should be the standard".
We all have the sense of doing the right thing, problem is actually doing it.

Hajji M.

After they poured foundation at T1 I get in my car and drive to site to make sure it's done. I'm a student of Reaganomics, trust but verify

EgunMogaji2:

After they poured foundation at T1 I get in my car and drive to site to make sure it's done. I'm a student of Reaganomics, trust but verify

I don't blame you Sir.

Hajji M.

mayorlag:
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mufutau55:


They should understand the importance, it is their job.
Like EgunMan said " it should be the standard".
We all have the sense of doing the right thing, problem is actually doing it.

Hajji M.

Professionals should know sir .

Good day everyone.
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