Ihedinobi3:


Funny thing is that you act like a bouncer on threads started by fellow JWs, but then you troll threads made by non-JWs. I really wonder if you don't know what hypocrisy means.

Guy leave the emotional blackmail and go straight to the topic of discussion, what have you got to share?
Will the earth remain or not?
Support your conclusion with scriptures, Period!

Ihedinobi3:


Re: 1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ. Colossians 1:13

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 18:36 (NIV)

let's have a comprehensive study of just one aspect before i go further into the rest

John 18:36 Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.
Colossians 1:13 says we(who are in this world) have been translated into God's kingdom.

To you these two scriptures are contradicting each other is that what you think?
If you think they are not contradicting each other explain why?
I want to know your stand on this.

paxonel:
let's have a comprehensive study of just one aspect before i go further into the rest

John 18:36 Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.
Colossians 1:13 says we(who are in this world) have been translated into God's kingdom.

To you these two scriptures are contradicting each other is that what you think?
If you think they are not contradicting each other explain why?
I want to know your stand on this.

I hope that we will have a serious conversation. I'm not much for frivolity.

I did not say that I thought the two Scriptures contradict each other, did I? But since you asked, no, I don't believe that they contradict each other. What I believe is that they prove that you were wrong about your position.

As you yourself just said, Colossians 1:13 does not say that God's Kingdom is on earth. It says that those who believe have been made part of it while they are still on earth. So, your belief that God's Kingdom is here on earth right now is false.

If you believe that it isn't, I would like to hear how you read those passages.

DappaD:


Please can your teachings be traced to any religious organization?
Or are you saying the things you're saying out of your own understanding?
There's no sitting on the fence here, fam.

Can't say I understand what your talk about sitting on the fence is about, but my teachings come from the Bible. I am not a religious person. I'm a Christian.

Ihedinobi3:


Can't say I understand what your talk about sitting on the fence is about, but my teachings come from the Bible. I am not a religious person. I'm a Christian.

Okay.

DappaD:


Okay.

Foolish reasoning!
Not a religious person but he is a Christian, and what is the meaning of "Christian"?
Religionsist following the teachings of a first century Jewish carpenter who claims he is the Christ! Act 11:26

MaxInDHouse:


Foolish reasoning!
Not a religious person but he is a Christian, and what is the meaning of "Christian"?
Religionsist following the teachings of a first century Jewish carpenter who claims he is the Christ! Act 11:26

Like I said, troll.

Ihedinobi3:


Like I said, troll.

Guy if you dey shine in the presence of none Bible scholars, just keep quiet when Bible scholars are around.
The man Jesus was known during his lifetime as a "teacher" his father taught him carpentry but did Jesus set out a carpentry school? NO!
So what makes his contemporaries labeled him as "teacher"?
It's because he left his carpentry work and started teaching people about the "religion" that's acceptable before the true God!
So there is nothing that can bring a twenty first black man like you in contact with a first century Jewish carpenter that you're now claiming to be his follower (Christian) if not RELIGION!
That's the truth!

Ihedinobi3:

Colossians 1:13 does not say that God's Kingdom is on earth. It says that those who believe have been made part of it while they are still on earth.

they are still on earth while they were made part of the kingdom and the statement God's kingdom is on earth, what's the difference seeing that both they being part of the kingdom, are on earth

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Guy if you dey shine in the presence of none Bible scholars, just keep quiet when Bible scholars are around.
The man Jesus was known during his lifetime as a "teacher" his father taught him carpentry but did Jesus set out a carpentry school? NO!
So what makes his contemporaries labeled him as "teacher"?
It's because he left his carpentry work and started teaching people about the "religion" that's acceptable before the true God!
So there is nothing that can bring a twenty first black man like you in contact with a first century Jewish carpenter that you're now claiming to be his follower (Christian) if not RELIGION!
That's the truth!
Point of correction; Jesus never taught religion! It's not scriptural. His core message was the Kingdom of God. Religion is man made. Christianity is centered on the person of Christ and what He represents. Adam didn't lose religion as it were, he lost the Kingdom and that is what Christ came to do; to redeem man back to his original state-the kingdom of God.

paxonel:
they are still on earth while they were made part of the kingdom and God's kingdom is on earth, what's the difference seeing that both they and the kingdom are now on earth?

The difference is the same as that between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and saying that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada.

Ihedinobi3:


The difference is the same as that between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and saying that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada.

ehe!
we are saying the same thing now!

Nigeria can never be a nation in Canada if there are no Nigerians in Canada now.

Do you know what it means if i say I'm part of Canada?

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Point of correction!
When people pray, sing and engage in act of sacred service it is called "worship" which connotes RELIGION!
If Jesus didn't come for religion there is no reason for religionsists to feel threatened by his presence and teachings. So get it straight that what Jesus came to establish was RELIGION but the one and only TRUE Religion! James 1:27

paxonel:
ehe!
we are saying the same thing now!

Nigeria can never be a nation in Canada if there are no Nigerians in Canada now

I don't think we are.

I just said that there is a difference between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada. Nigeria is neither part of Canada nor ruling over Canada. She only has citizens who are in Canada.

Likewise, the Kingdom of God is not part of this world and it is not currently ruling over this world. It only has citizens who are in this world. In fact, the biblical picture is that those citizens are part of an invasion, because God's Kingdom is attacking the kingdom of this world at this moment.

So, no, you and I are not saying the same thing at all.

Ihedinobi3:


I don't think we are.

I just said that there is a difference between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada. Nigeria is neither part of Canada nor ruling over Canada. She only has citizens who are in Canada.

Likewise, the Kingdom of God is not part of this world and it is not currently ruling over this world. It only has citizens who are in this world. In fact, the biblical picture is that those citizens are part of an invasion, because God's Kingdom is attacking the kingdom of this world at this moment.

So, no, you and I are not saying the same thing at all.

how do you define the word nation?

paxonel:
how do you define the word nation?

I don't believe that that is a serious question that is worth answering.

Ihedinobi3:


I don't believe that that is a serious question that is worth answering.

really?
;

Is it that it is now difficult to answer or what .

paxonel:
really?
;

Is it that it is now difficult to answer or what .

For what it is worth, I'll remind you that I came for a serious conversation. You told me not to condemn you without hearing you out. I'm trying to hear you out. If you don't mean to be serious, then we can end the conversation, and I will move forward treating you as an unbeliever with no respect for the Bible. That is not a threat. I have already explained it to you.

There is no confusion about what a nation is. If you have any unorthodox ideas about the concept of nations, you may share them, but I will probably not treat them seriously.

Ihedinobi3:


For what it is worth, I'll remind you that I came for a serious conversation. You told me not to condemn you without hearing you out. I'm trying to hear you out. If you don't mean to be serious, then we can end the conversation, and I will move forward treating you as an unbeliever with no respect for the Bible. That is not a threat. I have already explained it to you.

There is no confusion about what a nation is. If you have any unorthodox ideas about the concept of nations, you may share them, but I will probably not treat them seriously.

mteeeeeew!

End of discussion

paxonel:
mteeeeeew!

End of discussion

Very well then. As I said before, I hope that you don't continue down this path of self-destruction.

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
James 3:1 (NKJV)

1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Luke 17:1-2 (NIV)

Whatever your decision, I no longer accept you as a brother believer and I hold you as a false teacher until I see that you have stopped putting out wicked writings on this platform that cause fellow believers to stumble.

paxonel:

how do you define the word nation?

The Israelites have been hearing about God's Kingdom (God's Government) promises right from the birth of that nation, God inspired Moses to pen down what his Kingdom will accomplish on earth, many other prophets were also inspired to pen down supporting prophecies about God's Kingdom. So when John the baptist appeared in the wilderness crying "the Kingdom of God is at hand" majority of the people troop out to meet John and he began baptizing them as a sign of their repentance towards God's laws that themselves and their forefathers have broken!
John told the religious leaders of his time that he is not the Christ, he later introduced Jesus to his followers and told them "that is the Christ"
Jesus during one of his public preaching said "the Kingdom of heaven is in your midst" Luke 17:21

But why would Jesus say such a thing when all the things God promised them about the kingdom is not yet seen? Well it's because Jesus the future King of that heavenly Kingdom and his Apostles who will become the foundation stones are standing there that very day! Revelation 21:14

So Jesus was right to have said the kingdom of heaven is in the midst of those faithless people, but that doesn't mean that their kingdom will be seated on earth, the seat of God's Kingdom is in heaven {Revelations 14:1} yet the rulership will be extended to the earth {Revelations 14:6} that's why Jesus taught us to pray saying "let your Kingdom come" {Matthew 6:10} God's heavenly government will soon extend it's works to the earth and then the earth will become a Paradise just as it was in Eden! Psalms 37:29

Ihedinobi3:


Very well then. As I said before, I hope that you don't continue down this path of self-destruction.

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
James 3:1 (NKJV)

1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Luke 17:1-2 (NIV)

Whatever your decision, I no longer accept you as a brother believer and I hold you as a false teacher until I see that you have stopped putting out wicked writings on this platform that cause fellow believers to stumble.

Guy, you're not a disciple of Christ!

He made us fishers of men {Matthew 4:19} so it's only when you don't listen to us that you'll not be carried along with our heart touching message {Act 2:37} because he has given us the wisdom to handle the word with efficacy! Hebrew 4:12

That's why you get frustrated easily when you're not able to convince your audience and the next thing is threatening them with curses! Luke 9:54-56

Ihedinobi3:


Very well then. As I said before, I hope that you don't continue down this path of self-destruction.

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
James 3:1 (NKJV)

1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Luke 17:1-2 (NIV)

Whatever your decision, I no longer accept you as a brother believer and I hold you as a false teacher until I see that you have stopped putting out wicked writings on this platform that cause fellow believers to stumble.

it's of no use, don't quote me again

MaxInDHouse:


The Israelites have been hearing about God's Kingdom (God's Government) promises right from the birth of that nation, God inspired Moses to pen down what his Kingdom will accomplish on earth, many other prophets were also inspired to pen down supporting prophecies about God's Kingdom. So when John the baptist appeared in the wilderness crying "the Kingdom of God is at hand" majority of the people troop out to meet John and he began baptizing them as a sign of their repentance towards God's laws that themselves and their forefathers have broken!
John told the religious leaders of his time that he is not the Christ, he later introduced Jesus to his followers and told them "that is the Christ"
Jesus during one of his public preaching said "the Kingdom of heaven is in your midst" Luke 17:21

But why would Jesus say such a thing when all the things God promised them about the kingdom is not yet seen? Well it's because Jesus the future King of that heavenly Kingdom and his Apostles who will become the foundation stones are standing there that very day! Revelation 21:14

So Jesus was right to have said the kingdom of heaven is in the midst of those faithless people, but that doesn't mean that their kingdom will be seated on earth, the seat of God's Kingdom is in heaven {Revelations 14:1} yet the rulership will be extended to the earth {Revelations 14:6} that's why Jesus taught us to pray saying "let your Kingdom come" {Matthew 6:10} God's heavenly government will soon extend it's works to the earth and then the earth will become a Paradise just as it was in Eden! Psalms 37:29

you are JW isn't it ?

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, you're not a disciple of Christ!

He made us fishers of men {Matthew 4:19} so it's only when you don't listen to us that you'll not be carried along with our heart touching message {Act 2:37} because he has given us the wisdom to handle the word with efficacy! Hebrew 4:12

That's why[b] you get frustrated easily[/b] when you're not able to convince your audience and the next thing is threatening them with curses! Luke 9:54-56

unstable false jw mad max
u r hypocrite like your fore fathers the pharisees, of course
and lie like hell:

Rev_21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:


If you're not as useless and stupid as the OP, tell me the QUESTION he asked!

MaxInDHouse:


Walahi Talahi you're the dumbest fool on this planet!
So any other Church is OK except Jehovah's Witnesses shey?
Mumu, Satan has finally blind folded you!
People preaching and teaching, helping people to live simple lives and dedicating their lives to doing the will of God are going to destruction but all those useless religions that's of no repute are OK shey?
You be ewu!
Well you can continue your stupidity on NL, my brothers and sisters are out there making disciples and baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit!

^^ no discipleship there, but curses, pharisee hypocrite mad max

Myer:


Even the promise to Noah was that the world will never be destroyed.

Kindly quote where "the promise" was made to Noah if you're not lying and just trying to find fault where there's none.

shadeyinka:

Never be destroyed by another flood!

Thanks bro.

I almost said exactly the same thing.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Matthew 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

jesusjnr2020:
Thanks bro.

I almost said exactly the same thing.

Gen 9:11:
"I make My agreement with you, that never again will all flesh be destroyed by the water of a flood. There will never again be a flood to destroy the earth.""

jesusjnr2020:
Kindly quote where "the promise" was made to Noah if you're not lying and just trying to find fault where there's none.

By now you should know I give you facts of the scriptures and not fictions.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.
If you spend more time studying your bible than arguing you will know these secrets that are only revealed to those who have given time to scriptures.

Myer:


By now you should know I give you facts of the scriptures and not fictions.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.
If you spend more time studying your bible than arguing you will know these secrets that are only revealed to those who have given time to scriptures.

What do you understand by "as long as the earth remains"?

You speak about facts, but you have so far failed to show where it was actually stated in the Bible that God ever said the Earth or the world would never end or be destroyed, but still quoting a place where God said something else and drawing the wrong meaning from it. So much for someone else who wants to teach someone how to study the Bible.

I already know for a fact that you're driven by sentiments and not facts, because even when you're clearly caught with the facts, you'd still deny it. So this is just to confirm that fact!

paxonel:

you are JW isn't it?

Sure!

This is the most interesting part of your thread!

Because i've been wondering why you're arguing with your fellow worshipers over the Bible, many of them believe you are wrong and that's exactly the same thing you too think about them.
Now the other man strongly believe you're doomed for not agreeing with his preconceived opinion.
So what is the name of your own Church where this your understanding is coming from?