Janosky:


According to the Bros livingchrist:
1." Before Jesus death he is NOT a spirit."
2. "Even before Jesus death he was a quickening spirit."
The Bros contradict himself, LYING and deceit are serious offense in the laws of God and man.

.*3.
I will let your Bible expose your False, LYING claim..
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Luke 24:36-39 NKJV
Jesus Appears to His Disciples(AH)
36 (AI)Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen (AJ)a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. (AK)Handle Me and see, for a (AL)spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”


Bros livingchrist, according to Luke 24:36-39, did Jesus Christ appear to the disciples in flesh and bones?

Bros continue LYING & DECEIVING yourselves

livingchrist:
The impact of the activities of true Christians are clearly seen. The first and the most important a activities of a true Christian is that they are in agreement with the word of Gos, without this all other is nonsense.
How do you define love? 1corinthians 13 , one of the qualities of love is that it does not rejoice in error.
Jwo does not care for error so there is no true love in your organisation.



what is love without truth?
Jesus came with grace and truth these two Jehovah witness organisation lack so she doesn't have the true love but only the counterfeit one.

livingchrist:

Jesus was not a spirit (disembodied one) but a Spirit dwelling in a human nature.

Every human has spirit and a human body.

So mr dappa Jesus spirit was a life giving one.
Jesus can be called a life giving Spirit same way a human can be called flesh and blood, it does not mean that humans do not have a spirit same way Jesus is called a life giving Spirit does not mean he does not have a body

AkinwaleJJ:
Mr Ken, all you need is divine wisdom!
All your questions have answers that a teenager among the JWs will enlighten you!

Ken4Christ:


There is already a thread on it. You have no defence.

If hell was ordinary grave, why did Jesus said it was prepared for the devil and his angels? Do you bury spirits in physical graves? Use your sense.

If hell was ordinary grave, why did the Bible talk about the sorrows of hell? Is there sorrow in the physical grave?


If hell was the ordinary grave, the Bible talks about throwing people into hell. Do you throw people into graves or gently lower them?


If hell was ordinary grave, why did Jesus talk about the gates of hell? Do graves have gates.

Forget about your useless books full of lies and read your Bible with open mind and you will discover that you have been taught lies. Jehovah Witness just pick Scripture out of context and make it say what it didn't say. Their punishment is certain and the hottest part of hell is reserved for you all.

DappaD:


Is there any need answering him?

AkinwaleJJ:


Do i get what you typed at the bolded?

"The first and most important a activities of a Christian is that they are in agreement with the word of God"

Are you talking about a person or group of persons?
Agreement is when more than one person agree on terms not when there is nothing like harmony!

livingchrist:


Jesus was not a spirit (disembodied one) but a Spirit dwelling in a human nature.

Every human has spirit and a human body.


So mr dappa Jesus spirit was a life giving one.

Jesus can be called a life giving Spirit same way a human can be called flesh and blood, it does not mean that humans do not have a spirit same way Jesus is called a life giving Spirit does not mean he does not have a body

DappaD:


I don't like dwelling on people who don't accept truth in the Bible for how it is.
The Bible simply says that Jesus was resurrected with a SPIRIT BODY(1Cor 15:42-44, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18)
So I don't quite get what you mean by ‘disembodied’ in this context.
The Scriptures say that there are heavenly[spirit] BODIES[/b] and earthly[flesh] BODIES—1Cor 15:40
The BODY here just means the forms of existence. Some exist in the form of spirits, while others in form of flesh.

Says what Scripture? See, we are not talking about your regular Nollywood movies here.
We're discussing the Bible and if we're doing that, we better speak in Biblical terms. I believe this your misunderstanding stems from Genesis 2:7.
Man is basically an earthly creature, made from the dust—there's no immortal spirit or soul inside him—since the man himself is a LIVING SOUL when the breath of LIFE is in his nostrils.

Presently, Jesus Christ has been ruling as King in God's Kingdom since 1914 as an immortal spirit being(1Cor 15:50, Revelation 11:15)
Soon, he's going to live up to that particular assignment of being a ‘LIFE-giving spirit’ when all those powerless in death will be resurrected to LIFE here on earth. (John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15, Revelation 20:13)

Janosky:


Luke 24:36-39, according to livingchrist:
Jesus is a Spirit with flesh and bones ("dwelling in a human nature".


JWs have been teaching you the Bible truth but you're striving so hard to complicate a straight forward message in your Bible

livingchrist:
what truth have you presented so far?
heavenly bodies does not mean spirit bodies. Heavenly body is the resurrection body.

Again the body does not mean forms of existence,
The bible describe the body as a house or a garment.
2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

who is talking of Nolly wood movies here?
Are you going to deny the fact that human being has spirit?
Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Here are verse that clearly taught about human spirit.

This is clearly untrue and a mere fabricator.
1914 is a fabrication by watch tower society after many failed date fixtures.
Jesus began reign immediately he ascended up to heaven.
Jesus gives life to all who come to him, he gave life to many before and he is still doing it to those who come to him.
Jesus being the life giving Spirit applies to the present as well as to the future.

livingchrist:
whether a person or a group the true test is that such a one or group must be in agreement with the word of God.

DappaD:

Garbage.



And when Jesus likened himself to a temple, did it mean that his body was a literal temple? (John 2:19)
So here too, if Paul uses the same kind of figure of speech, does it literally mean that human beings are houses or tents?

Please answer this very important question.
Which of the following died on the torture stake:
1. Jesus
2. The fleshly body of Jesus

Okay so your best option was to dig up scriptures that don't have anything to do with what is being discussed right?
Please, if you can understand and get the meaning of Genesis 2:7, then you can understand those other scriptures you put up there.
What did Jehovah God breathe into the nostrils of Adam(who was formed from the dust of the earth)?
Is it a spirit being or breath of life(life-force)?

So why did David, Peter, Paul and Jesus say that Jesus himself was to sit at the right hand of God FIRST after he ascended to heaven? (Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:43-44, Acts 2:34-35, Hebrews 8:1)
That's actually by the way. If you decide to continue preaching that your Jesus is a—how did you put it again—‘a glorified resurrected disembodied spirit with flesh and blood’—then do go ahead with that while Jehovah's Witnesses will stick to the unadulterated truth as found in the Bible! (2Timothy 3:16)

AkinwaleJJ:


That's where you got it all wrong, each religionsist out there is saying he/she got it right and there is confusion everywhere.
One person can't serve as light to the world for the light to shine brightly from one end of the earth to another it must be a group whose activities is globally felt, and when talking about harmony it means they must believe the same thing [John 17:22] not just you on your own claiming you're a true Christian and another man in Singapore claiming the same yet you're not in agreement!

livingchrist:
Jesus flesh and bones is his body, there is no. complication there.
Jehovah witness organisation are teaching errors, leading souls to damnation.

According to livingchrist:
Luke 24:36-39, Jesus is a Spirit with flesh and bones ("dwelling in a human nature" after his resurrection.


Bros, you don't even understand that which you claim to believe.

Your So called "disembodied spirit" is a gross error.
1 Corinthians 15:44 " spirits have spiritual bodies. Humans have fleshly bodies."

Humans beings are NOT spirits.
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself

livingchrist:
Did Jesus refer to himself as a temple or his body?
When peter said he is putting off this tabernacle was he talking of his self or his body?
this question makes no sense,
When a man leaves his house, is he still present there?
The body is not the life but only houses the life.
The scriptures I gave you made it clear that man has his spirit.
You are bringing another subject into it, which is 'breath of life'. The breath of life is the power giving to man in order to live not only man but all living creatures.
Jesus is not disembodied, it is jehovah witness organisation that teaches a disembodied Jesus not the bible.
@bolded that is a lie, Jesus did not say he had flesh and blood, but flesh and bones.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2 vv33 already settles it, Jesus was already seated at God's right hand when he poured out the holy Spirit.
1914 was a fraud fabricated by watch tower to cover their numerous failed prophecy.

Janosky:


ccording to livingchrist:
Luke 24:36-39, Jesus is a Spirit with flesh and bones ("dwelling in a human nature" after his resurrection.


Bros, you don't even understand that which you claim to believe.

Your So called "disembodied spirit" is a gross error.
1 Corinthians 15:44 " spirits have spiritual bodies. Humans have fleshly bodies."

Humans beings are NOT spirits.
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself

livingchrist:
Jesus flesh and bones is his body, there is no. [/b]complication there.
Jehovah witness organisation are teaching errors, leading souls to damnation.

Luke 24:36-39,
Jesus is a Spirit with flesh and bones just as the angels called men ("dwelling in a human nature" @ John 20:12 and Luke24:4,23.
Jesus appear to the disciples in "flesh and bones", in the same form that angels appears to the disciples @ Luke24:4,23 and John 20:12.

[b]Bros, do Spirits have blood in their bodies?

Bros no dey DECEIVE yourself

DappaD:


This guy it's like you deliberately want to act dense because you're not addressing any of my questions neither are your spurious claims in line with any scripture in the Bible.

Janosky:


Luke 24:36-39,
Jesus is a Spirit with flesh and bones just as the angels called men ("dwelling in a human nature" @ John 20:12 and Luke24:4,23.
Jesus appear to the disciples in "flesh and bones", in the same form that angels appears to the disciples @ Luke24:4,23 and John 20:12.

Bros, do Spirits have blood in their bodies?

Bros no dey DECEIVE yourself

livingchrist:
I have made the truth clear to you enough.

livingchrist:
Jesus said spirits including Angels do not have flesh and bones like he had.
It should be clear enough.

livingchrist:
you are very predictable, your are clamoring like a foolish woman lie cannot be substituted for truth.

1 Corinthians 15:44
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Where was it written that spirits has spiritual body?
How does 'there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body translate to spirits has spiritual body?
Infact the natural body refers to the body of Adam and the spiritual body refers to the body of christ.

DappaD:


So the angels(who materialised into humans) that visited Abraham did not have teeth and bones to chew bread and meat presented before them abi?
Genesis 18:1-8

DappaD:


For your mind, your forged imaginations and beliefs is truth.
Indeed

livingchrist:
Jesus said spirits including Angels do not have flesh and bones like he had.
It should be clear enough.

Janosky:


Bros, continue your insults, it doesn't change the Bible truth.

1 Corinthians15:47,48 Does God, Jesus and angels have natural , fleshly bodies?
Did Adam/man have spiritual bodies ?
(Bros !!)

1 Corinthians15:20
"Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those asleep"
1 Corinthians15:44They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies"

Jesus and the born again disciples were buried as natural human bodies and raised as spiritual bodies

Is that rocket science wey Bros no fit understand?


1corinthians 15:44-49
. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

45The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”h But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.
46What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man. . 49Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.

1 Corinthians 15:44,45,47 natural bodies is for men on earth.
Adam is fleshly, natural man. Jesus Christ is a Spirit (giving life (resurrect the dead,verse 20-23) .Spiritual bodies is for dwellers in heaven.


Bros, RECEIVE SENSE

livingchrist:
same thing all religion will say they are united and love themselves. The later day saints believe in the same thing, many other sects too does that make them disciples of Jesus.
If you claim you disciple of Jesus then your teaching should be in line with the bible. What make a disciple is not uniformity of thought but agreement in faith of Jesus christ.
Even the early churches had some differences does that mean that they were not truly Jesus disciples?

AkinwaleJJ:


Don't deceive yourself the teaching of Christ was meant for a purpose and no matter how you think you know it if the purpose is not met that's a sign you're not getting it! Matt 7:16-18

First of all as the Prince of Peace [Isai 9:6] Jesus' teachings must disarm all who accepted it and make them peace seekers. Mica 4:1-3

Secondly all those who accept it must live simple lives [6:19-21] this means the group will not promote materialism, never will you hear them speak of worldly riches as anything worthwhile! Luke 18:18-23

Thirdly Jesus' teachings will eradicate racism in the gathering of his true followers so no matter where you come from once you're a believer you are automatically their family member! Matt 12:46-49

Again Jesus' teachings will promote just one hope in the minds of all believers which is God's Kingdom [Matt 6:10] so they will not participate in any Political affairs since they knew the secret person behind world government is Satan! John 17:14-16

Satan is an evil genius he will make you think you're getting things right but then you will not be able to make peace with your fellow believers in other lands, it's only within your mind that you'll be convincing yourself there will be nothing to be observed in the activities of your church.

As for the last statement you uttered regarding disunity in the first century Christian congregation, may God forgive you because that is an insult on the Holy Spirit!
How can the spirit of division excel where God's Holy Spirit is operating? Rom 15:5-6; 1Cor 1:10; Ephe 4:3
Even Jesus prayed that such should not happen because that's the one and only sign of true worship! John 17:20-23

livingchrist:
same thing all religion will say they are united and love themselves. The later day saints believe in the same thing, many other sects too does that make them disciples of Jesus.
If you claim you disciple of Jesus then your teaching should be in line with the bible. What make a disciple is not uniformity of thought but agreement in faith of Jesus christ.
Even the early churches had some differences does that mean that they were not truly Jesus disciples?

achorladey:



Who is the ONE LIGHT that GIVES LIGHT TO ALL MEN that HAS extended to the EXTREMITIES of the WORLD. John 1:9

I was laughing to this initially as captured in the post you responded to....One person can't serve as light to the world for the light to shine brightly from one end of the earth

At least the light CHRISTIANS radiate or emit came from ONE SOURCE a you rightly stated above

livingchrist:
Jesus teaching was to bring salvation to man.yes Jesus teachings bring peace but such peace is as a result of reconciliation with God, that is the peace that Jesus preach. People are disarmed when they recieve Christ, this is a spiritual disarment.
Can you mention anywhere in the bible where Jesus or his disciples said people should stop going to wall?

what do you mean by simple life? But Jesus teach about investing worldly riches into heavenly kingdom.
Many of Jesus disciples where rich, Jesus never condemn riches.

It shows you dont read the bible just gobble in what watch tower dishes you.
Jwo teachings do not agree with scripture which is the first and the most important sign.
The whole scripture is centered on Christ when a group teaching are not in agreement with Jesus no matter the fruit of such organisation or group it is of the devil.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.