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| Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by OpenYourEyes1: 7:48am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Because the children of Isreal hardly hear HIM. They listen and trust the world & other kingdoms more than GOD, so HE let them be conquered and ruled by people they trust more. The modern Isreal (the Church) must not make thesame mistakes else they will be under the power of satan. |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by OpenYourEyes1: 7:34am On Jun 11, 2020 |
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| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:55pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
OpenYourEyes1:Bump.... |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by Ihedinobi3: 5:59pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
Israel has been ruled by Satan? Where do you get the outlandish things you post? |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 2:03am On Oct 16, 2020 |
Ihedinobi3:The Aba jews are enraged |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by Ihedinobi3: 9:39am On Oct 16, 2020 |
BeLookingIDIOT: I'm afraid I don't understand your comment. |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:22pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Ihedinobi3:The people (Isreal) were several times under power of satan. Satan rules the world or the world is under the power of satan. Once you and your rulers are under the power of sin, you are slave of satan and he rules over all of you. They were ruled in Egypt, babylon, and indirectly by Caesars and other gentile kings. |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by Ihedinobi3: 12:46pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
OpenYourEyes1: Is that so? So, 1. because they were in the world, they were being ruled by Satan? 2. because they sinned, they were ruled by Satan? 3. because the Lord sent them away into exile or because he formed them in Egypt, they were ruled by Satan? But the Bible actually says, in the case of #1, 7 I will take you as My people, and I will be your God. Then you shall know that I am the LORD your God who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. Exodus 6:7 (NKJV) 21 This people I have formed for Myself; They shall declare My praise. Isaiah 43:21 (NKJV) 1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. Daniel 12:1 (NKJV) Clearly, being in the world did not mean that the Lord God subjected them to Satan's rule. He even gave the archangel Michael specifically to protect them from Satan's hatred. In the case of #2, 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 2 Samuel 7:14 (NKJV) 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:28 (NKJV) This is how God treats His Children. He also treated Israel the same. They could be punished through the hands of Babylon, Assyria, etc but they were never rejected by the Lord. God even warned the nations through whom He punished them that going beyond the limits that He had established for their actions would result in their own destruction. Beyond that, He promised that He would never abandon them to their enemies, that is, the agents of Satan that oppressed them. In the case of #3, 1 “When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. Hosea 11:1 (NKJV) Being in Egypt did not put them under Satan's rule either. Even there, God considered them His people and protected them from Satan since they had (or ought to have) no allegiance to him. All of the above is why I said that your threads are lies. Satan does rule over the world, but he has absolutely no authority over God's children, whether they be Gentile believers or the Jewish people. God does not allow it. That does not mean that Satan cannot harm us. He does, with God's permission either in order to test our faith or else it is to discipline us when we sin against the Lord. But he does not rule over us, not even through the wicked human rulers that have existed and will yet exist in human history. All governments are ordained by God, not Satan (Romans 13:1). |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by OpenYourEyes1: 2:12pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Ihedinobi3: What you wrote up there is strange. I haven't heard that before(esp the part about prophecy). Where is that in the Bible? "‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams." —Acts 2:17 The true Church still has prophets who prophesize. I don't want to argue with you my friend. I tend to respond to post when I find something sensible to comment about. Let me ask you concerning the part about Isreal being slave to satan, how can you be subjected to a person as a slave and not ruled by the person? Satan rulership over conquered/sinful Isreal had its limits. They had to obey GOD or remain under the power of satan. If an evil master tells a slave what to do and the slave does it, the evil master is ruling over the slave, right? |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by Ihedinobi3: 8:43pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
OpenYourEyes1: I think that there is very much that I could tell you that you have never heard before, and yet they are all in the Bible. Your ignorance of them is not a mark against them. And I did show you where this bit about prophecy is in the Bible. Acts 2:17 is absolutely true and was speaking of Joel 2:28-32. But that it is true does not make 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 and Hebrews 1:1-2 false. That is precisely how we can tell whether one is a properly prepared pastor-teacher or even a false teacher. You cannot prefer one to the other. The explanation (which I am offering less for your benefit, as I am not at all confident that you care for the truth, and more for the benefit of any believer or seeker who happens here) is that Peter was speaking during the "conjunction of the ages" (Hebrews 9:26), that is, the period of human history when Jesus Christ died for our sins. In the divine calendar, that period was when the Jewish Age was giving way to the Church Age, so certain elements of the Jewish Age remained especially because, as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:10, the "perfect" had not yet come. This "perfect" that he spoke of is the completed Bible. Prophecy and tongues and knowledge and all the other spectacular gifts of that time existed to provide the "counsel" or "mind" of God in part. Since God had not yet finished giving the revelation of His Will through the apostles and prophets, believers needed to rely on prophets and apostles and those with gifts of knowledge to know what God wanted them to know. Also, if one wasn't sure whether a given person was telling the truth about what God said, then the ability of that person to do miracles also helped to demonstrate that God was indeed speaking through them (John 14:11). Since, however, the Bible was completed and distributed, not only has the Church received the full declaration of God's mind, but we also have a way of proving whether anyone who says anything to us in God's name is lying or telling the truth. The Bible is the acid test for all doctrine and prophecy. If anything contradicts the Bible, it is a lie. If the Bible does not confirm a given thing, then it cannot be trusted to be true. And there is nothing more that God has to say outside the Bible. That is a long way of saying that Peter's words in Acts 2 do not apply to the Church Age in which we live. They belonged only to that short period during which the Apostles and their associates ministered and wrote the New Testament and to the seven-year Tribulation when Moses, Elijah, and the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will carry out their ministry. So, again, there is no prophecy going on in the Church today outside the Bible. If you want to keep fancying yourself a prophet, please have at it. Only be prepared for the judgment that comes on all false prophets, because it will without a doubt fall on you. As for your question, obviously I can't imagine how you can be someone's slave and not be ruled by them either. If you're someone's slave, then you are ruled by that person. But then that is what you claimed to be the case with Israel and I don't know a single part of the Bible that says that Israel was ever Satan's slave or ruled by Satan. That is of your own manufacturing. Obviously, when you say Satan's rulership over Israel has its limits, I must still ask you where the Bible says that Satan ever had any rulership of any sort over Israel. Obviously too, it says nothing of the sort. I fully expect you to contort words into absolutely senseless arguments pretending that somehow Satan did or does rule over Israel, ignoring everything that the Bible actually says about God never giving them up to Satan in any form for even a moment of time. |
| Re: Why does GOD usually let satan conquer & rule Isreal? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:10pm On Oct 16, 2020 |
Ihedinobi3: You will go throughout Nairaland and even in the Church where you worship and i'm telling you, it's not a curse you can never find anyone whose beliefs will match with yours unless you just keep quiet and keep your gibberish inside your head! The miscreants with whom you were chanting different slogans on the other thread, you'll be shocked that it's only against JWs that you can both agree, try to go further into scriptural debate and you'll both argue, abuse, insult, curse and possibly even exchange blows if you're able to meet face to face discussing doctrines. WHY? Because Jesus has chosen just one group Jehovah's Witnesses that's the one and only group where there's going to be peace and unity, in all other religions what Jesus said is you will continue to contradict one another even if you're attending the same Church. Luke 11:23 That's why all of you are ashamed to mention the name of your Church because you're not sure of the teachings there whether all members believe the same thing, very very unlike the truth where all adherents have the same line of thought! John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10  1 Like 1 Share |
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