livingchrist:
In the bible the word spiritual means beyond natural or something that is not subject to the natural order, It does not mean a spirit.

For example,
In those the prophet was called a Spiritual man,

Hosea 9:7
The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

Does it mean the prophet was a spirit?

Spiritual man , Not Spiritual body... U have no point here

Some Christians in galatians were called spiritual, does it mean they were spirits?

The emphasis here is SPIRITUAL BODY. No Galatians were called that . U lied

So, A spiritual body is a body that is not subject to natural constraint.
Paul even describe what a spiritual body is,
A spiritual body is one that is not subject to decay (corruption) unlike the natural body, the spiritual body is full of glory, it is very powerful unlike the weak human body.

Paul said the same body that was sown (died) will also be resurrected but however it is going to be completely changed or transformed.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Paul is not saying the body will be discarded but rather it is sown.
When you do sow something did you throw it away? No but rather you expect what you have sown to regenerate itself.
The same body that is sown will be resurrected but in a more glorified form.

" You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it DIES (decayed, corrupted, return to dust ) and as for what you sow, you sow, not just the body that will develop , but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seeds ...and there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies " 1Co 15:37-40

The body that dies is not the one that develop . Don't be an unreasonable person.


Now if you refer to an human body as Spiritual body , Which body will ressurected unbelievers have ??

Emusan:


See the lying liar who keep jumping like kangaroo.

the only person appointed by God to judge is "A MAN.."

You can tear that from your lying translation out of frustration.



I know what you'll still come up with is that their must be sexual feelings in heaven, just wait and see.



And your sense isn't even there in the first place.

You are actually the one whose sense is missing bro, If the word Man which is a male human being refer to Jesus nature , The question remains : Female humans will be FEMALE ?? Or they will undergo sex change to MAN ??

Their bodies is still flesh and blood,

flesh and blood in whose Kingdom ?

and won't be QUICKNEN which is the difference between unbelievers and believers because unbelievers don't have the Spirit of God in them .

ROMANS 8:11

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



When lying liar is put to shame, he gets confused!

Jozzy4 really debunk you here using the scriptures ... Quicken the mortal bodies simply means to Make it Alive. This means all that ressurected are having God's spirit in them, . Debunking the bolded.

The point here is Unbelievers and Believers are all having the So called Spiritual body. According to pastor Emusan. Tiki taka , confirm one

Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

Janosky:


Acts15:14. 2 Chro7:14 and John 9:4 dey your Bible?

John 9:4 ,Acts 3:13, who are the "We"?
Answer :Jehovah''s servants, a group inclusive of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob et al.

Acts 2:42-46, are they an organized group ?

Acts15:14 , "People for God's name", Jehovah's people , His Organization. (2 Chro7:14 "People called by my (Jehovah's) name"


Bros, You have the right to Blabber your mouth.
No wahala..

If so, the likes of MuttleyLaff, Shadeyinka, Emusan, Johnw47, livingChrist, solite3, JesusJnr, and co. are all witnesses for Yahweh i.o.w - Yahweh's witnesses.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

If only we have settled down and diligently studied the words of Peter and Stephen in Acts 2 and Acts 7 respectively, we won't be dabbling into a lot of unprofitable heresies and erroneous doctrines like this.

Janosky:


DUBIOUSLY insidious..
Psalms8:5 says angels are what?



Hebrew 'EL' (whether you prefix 'Gibbowr' to EL or not) already means Mighty One.
.
Men , Jesus, Angels, Jehovah are addressed as Elohim, EL Gibbowr in the holy scriptures.

Only Jehovah is EXCLUSIVELY Ha Elohim.
Jesus calls his God and Father Ha Elohim
@John 17:3

Prophet Elijah did the same @ 1kings 18:37-39.

Jesus Christ at no time ever claimed to be Ha Elohim.
Rather, in heaven and earth, Jesus confessed himself is the Son of Ha Elohim.

Psalms 8:5 says that angels (that is, plural) are el'ohim. Does it say that any individual angel is el'ohim?

I don't believe you when you say that "el" means "mighty one". I believe that you are lying about that. Lying, I said, not mistaken, because you and I have talked a few times on this platform and you have repeated this lie every time.

The Lord Jesus called Himself "I Am" (John 8:58) which is the Name YHWH.

But, as I said, you know all this, so I know that you're a willful liar and also an abusive debater, so I have no intent to engage you beyond this point unless you say something worth responding to for the benefit of others.

AkinwaleJJ:


If you carefully view matters from the view of a Jew living in the first century you'll see that Jesus was making self claims.

He was just a carpenter's son whose father never attended the rabbinical schools of his time, he was not from the rich royal family, his own mother and brothers did not believe him, all the miracles he was performing are miracles that Pharisees also claims their members are performing, whatever God said in his behalf was heard only by his close confidants and he himself didn't take the necessary actions they were expecting the promised Messiah to take!
So from the viewpoint of a common Jew like Flavius Josephus who was his contemporary Jesus only made false claims.

But why do we now believe in him?

It's not because of the claims he made back then, it was diligent study of the SIGNS that will help to sincere people identify the Christ not just thinking of the immediate benefits of his presence. Today all the SIGNS that will help honest and sincere people to identify Jesus' group has been noticed in the activities of JWs.
So if you're saying their claims is false definitely you would have said the same about Jesus if you happen to be one of his contemporaries!

This is so Apt!

Many couldn't identified Jesus as the Messiah in his days because they're not paying attention to prophesy. All want they want are signs, miracles and takeaway that the demons then are offering too.
Some that saw him fulfilled the prophesy allowed Materialism and the fear of men prevent them from acknowledging him as the Messiah.
It's better to learn from those that rejected the Messiah

The Big question now is How do you recognize the true worshipper today?

Ihedinobi3:


Psalms 8:5 says that angels (that is, plural) are el'ohim. Does it say that any individual angel is el'ohim?
I don't believe you when you say that "el" means "mighty one". I believe that you are lying about that. Lying, I said, not mistaken, because you and I have talked a few times on this platform and you have repeated this lie every time.

The Lord Jesus called Himself "I Am" (John 8:58) which is the Name YHWH.

But, as I said, you know all this, so I know that you're a willful liar and also an abusive debater, so I have no intent to engage you beyond this point unless you say something worth responding to for the benefit of others.

There is no correlation between YHWH and what Jesus said at John 8:58
So how did you come about the bolded?

John 8:58
“Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.””
Jesus Christ existing as the archangel Michael was the first creature Jehovah God made before every other thing—living and nonliving were created through Jesus Christ.(1Corinthians 8:6)
Even angel Gabriel existed before Abraham(Job 38:7)
So when Jesus said he had been existence before Abraham, he means he was in heaven alongside his Father, Jehovah when the earth was being created.(Proverbs 8:22-31, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14)

Janosky:


Bros STOP DECEIVING yourself.
You claim Jesus is God,a spirit. Another spirit is living in him.. How many spirits is Jesus Christ?
You think say you get SENSE?

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job33:4. Psalm 104:29 ,Luke 23:46, Genesis2:7 ,
God did not install a living spiritual being inside Jesus or inside man.
Or you mean that God is 2 spirits, John 4:24 Jesus says you lied.
Luke 23:46 simply means Jesus breathed out the breath of life, and expired. Simple.

Please, JWs NEVER said breath of life is just breeze. Take note.

[b]There is no spiritual being grieving or troubled inside a man .... 2 Cor 2:13 and Daniel 7:15, Paul and Daniel thoughts respectively were worried and agitated. (Your fellow Trinitarian believers, @ Studylight.org explained it thoroughly, you saw it yourself.

Bros, the Maggi, pepper and spices you are placing into the Scriptures is uncalled for.

]

I m done with you on that

Janosky:


Yes... In the context that the wind or forces of nature could be deployed by Jehovah for a specific purpose. Whatever Jehovah God assigns for a specific task, can be called "Angel" (, whether a spiritual being or not).

Jehovah deployed a global Deluge to destroy the evil world of Noah's day.

In the same vein, Jehovah deployed a ministering spirit to destroy 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in a flash.

Both times, His purpose was accomplished..

Men use forces of nature for spiritism, what of the Maker of heaven and earth, can HE not do much more?
You understand?

angelic beings are called winds

Psalm 104vv4 is not talking of forces of nature but angelic beings like michael, gabriel and the rest.


This below is from your organisation
Who are the angels?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ANGELS
Before God created the physical universe and the first humans, he had already created a higher order of intelligent creatures. They are more powerful than humans, and they inhabit the same realm as God himself​—a realm inaccessible and invisible to mankind. (Job 38:4, 7) The Bible calls those superior beings “spirits” and “angels.”​—Psalm 104:4. *
www.jw.org

AkinwaleJJ:
Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

The right motive is important when it comes to service to the true God.
We worship Jehovah God because of love we developed from meditating on his name and Word.(Psalm 119:165, Malachi 3:16)
We keep his commandments and statutes because we love Him. (1John 5:3)


Meanwhile, it's evident that churchgoers have the wrong motive and wrong knowledge when it comes to worship. They have given attention to false stories and teachings so the truth continues to elude them. Religious leaders have told and taught them what they want to hear. They don't want to hear that you'll carry bag under sun from house to house preaching God's Kingdom.(Matthew 24:14). Rather what they want to hear is that anyhow you are, just come to church, sow seed and shout from morning to night in the name of prayer and God will give you loads of money. (2Timothy 4:3-4)

So when JWs don't acknowledge them, they see it fit to throw tantrums here and there.(2Corinthians 11:12-13)

DappaD:


The right motive is important when it comes to service to the true God.
We worship Jehovah God because of love we developed from meditating on his name and Word.(Psalm 119:165, Malachi 3:16)
We keep his commandments and statutes because we love Him. (1John 5:3)


Meanwhile, it's evident that churchgoers have the wrong motive and wrong knowledge when it comes to worship. They have given attention to false stories and teachings so the truth continues to elude them. Religious leaders have told and taught them what they want to hear. They don't want to hear that you'll carry bag under sun from house to house preaching God's Kingdom.(Matthew 24:14). Rather what they want to hear is that anyhow you are, just come to church, sow seed and shout from morning to night in the name of prayer and God will give you loads of money. (2Timothy 4:3-4)

So when JWs don't acknowledge them, they see it fit to throw tantrums here and there.(2Corinthians 11:12-13)

Hmmmmmmmm this is the absolute truth!

haddeylium:



This is so Apt!

Many couldn't identified Jesus as the Messiah in his days because they're not paying attention to prophesy. All want they want are signs, miracles and takeaway that the demons then are offering too.
Some that saw him fulfilled the prophesy allowed Materialism and the fear of men prevent them from acknowledging him as the Messiah.
It's better to learn from those that rejected the Messiah

The Big question now is How do you recognize the true worshipper today?

They've ignored the evidence Jesus himself foretold regarding how to recognize true worshipers so there is no way they can come up with a proof of pure worship, i think that's why they're all arguing bitterly to debunk recognition of a true Christian group.
But then they want to falsify the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole even when they are saying a true Christian could be found in any religious group claiming Christian.
Well that's what they don't know how to establish now!

AkinwaleJJ:


If you carefully view matters from the view of a Jew living in the first century you'll see that Jesus was making self claims.

He was just a carpenter's son whose father never attended the rabbinical schools of his time, he was not from the rich royal family, his own mother and brothers did not believe him, all the miracles he was performing are miracles that Pharisees also claims their members are performing, whatever God said in his behalf was heard only by his close confidants and he himself didn't take the necessary actions they were expecting the promised Messiah to take!
So from the viewpoint of a common Jew like Flavius Josephus who was his contemporary Jesus only made false claims.

But why do we now believe in him?

It's not because of the claims he made back then, it was diligent study of the SIGNS that will help to sincere people identify the Christ not just thinking of the immediate benefits of his presence. Today all the SIGNS that will help honest and sincere people to identify Jesus' group has been noticed in the activities of JWs.
So if you're saying their claims is false definitely you would have said the same about Jesus if you happen to be one of his contemporaries!

Jesus had the father witnessing for him with signs and womders.
He had the scriptures on his side too.
But for Jw

Barristter07:
You are actually the one whose sense is missing bro,

Says the deluded JWs who has lost his senses since and couldn't differentiate between MAN as in Nature and MAN a male.

Clown, the point here is NATURE not sex.

If the word Man which is a male human being refer to Jesus nature,

Wasn't the word MAN used for both females and males regarding their NATURE?

As the scripture says "The only one who has been appointed by God to judge is A MAN not A SPIRIT

The question remains : Female humans will be FEMALE ?? Or they will undergo sex change to MAN ??

Ode. Osi.....

At resurrection NOTHING LIKE SEX I know that's where you deluded JWs are going by bringing up the issue of FEMALE.

flesh and blood in whose Kingdom?

In your kingdom

Jozzy4 really debunk you here using the scriptures ... Quicken the mortal bodies simply means to Make it Alive. This means all that ressurected are having God's spirit in them, . Debunking the bolded.

Liar...

Only believers with the Spirit of God in them QUICKNEN their bodies.

Unless you show us where unbelievers have God's spirit in them and how the spirit their bodies will be quickening.

The point here is Unbelievers and Believers are all having the So called Spiritual body. According to pastor Emusan. Tiki taka , confirm one

Where did I make the bolden statement

The point here is, both believers and unbelievers will be raised back to life but according to the scripture believers who has the Spirit of God in them will be transformed into glorious bodies.

Barristter07:


Spiritual man , Not Spiritual body... U have no point here



The emphasis here is SPIRITUAL BODY. No Galatians were called that . U lied

what is this one saying ?

" You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it DIES
(decayed, corrupted, return to dust ) and as for what you sow, you sow, not just the body that will develop , but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seeds ...and there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies " 1Co 15:37-40

The body that dies is not the one that develop . Don't be an unreasonable person.


Now if you refer to an human body as Spiritual body , Which body will ressurected unbelievers have ??

@ bolded

What is sown first of all dies, and then made alive,
When Jesus body died (sown), was it not made alive again according to what you quoted?
Paul said that God gives every seed, it's own type of body.
If you sow rice, do you reap beans? But you can sow a deformed rice and ripe a perfect one.
This is what paul was saying.

To every seed his own body

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

A human being is given a human body but in a different state.

Resurrected unbelievers will still get their old corruptible body just like what they died with.

AkinwaleJJ:
Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

See this deluded one!

So you agree that other people aside JWs do preach but you hypocrite will claim it's only JWs who preach.

They speak into the air yet the have more branches and followers than your demonic organization that keep knocking on door to door and be in existence more than 100 years.

So who is bringing more fruits?

You'll see the clown, claiming that figures doesn't matter or having more branches doesn't matter either.

AkinwaleJJ:


They've ignored the evidence Jesus himself foretold regarding how to recognize true worshipers so there is no way they can come up with a proof of pure worship, i think that's why they're all arguing bitterly to debunk recognition of a true Christian group.

Whenever I see the words "Christian group", I feel sorry for the likes of Paul, of Peter, of Stephen, who died defending the truth and holding steadfastly to the fact that denomination is carnality. I feel sorry for myself that I haven't heeded the call of the Lord earlier, I feel so bad that at many phases, I ran my races with unnecessary weights (Heb 12:1-2) that has slowed my journey down.
Oh Lord, when? When? When will it be due for you to crush this nonsense that has thwarted and prevented the glory of God from being truly manifest in Christians?

But then they want to falsify the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole even when they are saying a true Christian could be found in any religious group claiming Christian.
Well that's what they don't know how to establish now!

Group! Organization! Church! All these jagba jantis.
During the CAMA saga, I felt so irritated looking at pastors saying " My church ", " the church I built with my own hands", "My people".... When did Jesus stop being our Lord and went ahead to appoint some GB, some Pope, some G.O, some whatever.

I just can't wait to wake up from sleep, put on some lazy Saturday outfit and open my mouth in praise - knowing the church is radiating its inherited glory in the fullness of its brightness.
Not these powerless, biased love, hypocritical, corrupt fellowship and rottenness we ALL (that includes Pentecostal, Catholic, JW, seventh-day advenist, bla bla bla...)manifest now.

livingchrist:

Jesus had the father witnessing for him with signs and womders.
He had the scriptures on his side too.
But for Jw

That's exactly what i'm saying.
Jesus' father's witnessing was heard by only his close confidants, the signs and wonders also happens in the midst of other religions of his time so for Jesus to say it's only through him that people can connect to God sounds really like self claim back then!

Emusan:

See this deluded one!
So you agree that other people aside JWs do preach but you hypocrite will claim it's only JWs who preach.
They speak into the air yet the have more branches and followers than your demonic organization that keep knocking on door to door and be in existence more than 100 years.
So who is bringing more fruits?
You'll see the clown, claiming that figures doesn't matter or having more branches doesn't matter either.

I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.
You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.
So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

Blabbermouth:

Whenever I see the words "Christian group", I feel sorry for the likes of Paul, of Peter, of Stephen, who died defending the truth and holding steadfastly to the fact that denomination is carnality. I feel sorry for myself that I haven't heeded the call of the Lord earlier, I feel so bad that at many phases, I ran my races with unnecessary weights (Heb 12:1-2) that has slowed my journey down.
Oh Lord, when? When? When will it be due for you to crush this nonsense that has thwarted and prevented the glory of God from being truly manifest in Christians?

Group! Organization! Church! All these jagba jantis.
During the CAMA saga, I felt so irritated looking at pastors saying " My church ", " the church I built with my own hands", "My people".... When did Jesus stop being our Lord and went ahead to appoint some GB, some Pope, some G.O, some whatever.

I just can't wait to wake up from sleep, put on some lazy Saturday outfit and open my mouth in praise - knowing the church is radiating its inherited glory in the fullness of its brightness.
Not these powerless, biased love, hypocritical, corrupt fellowship and rottenness we ALL (that includes Pentecostal, Catholic, JW, seventh-day advenist, bla bla bla...)manifest now.

I would have taken you serious if any other group is mentioned apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!
All the commentators in the forum surely belongs to one group or another, but it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that have spoken out as a unique group, all others are ashamed of their teachings!

AkinwaleJJ:


I would have taken you serious if any other group is mentioned apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!
All the commentators in the forum surely belongs to one group or another, but it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that have spoken out as a unique group, all others are ashamed of their teachings!

In just 2 sentences, you use the word "group" 3 times. Why are y'all (that includes the others too) so fixated on this nonsense as if it is scriptural?

AkinwaleJJ:


I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.
You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.
So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

The guy wants to make a point even when he knows there's none. All the protesters on the streets we're seeing everyday, aren't they all members of one particular church or the other? Aren't they endorsed by their church leaders? Aren't they left without SOLID hope for the future? So what exactly have their religious leaders been preaching to them?

livingchrist:
what is this one saying ?
@ bolded
What is sown first of all dies, and then made alive,
When Jesus body died (sown), was it not made alive again according to what you quoted?
Paul said that God gives every seed, it's own type of body.
If you sow rice, do you reap beans? But you can sow a deformed rice and ripe a perfect one.
This is what paul was saying.

The Jesus that died, is the same Jesus that rise ... But not the same body he died with. The rice you sow rot away in the soil.

To every seed his own body

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

A human being is given a human body but in a different state.

Resurrected unbelievers will still get their old corruptible body just like what they died with.

This is the Focus point. That will always expose the lies you people peddle. Show me where it says Some people will ressurect with their old corruptible body ??

When Paul said Ressurection , did he distinguish one from the other ??

Emusan:


Says the deluded JWs who has lost his senses since and couldn't differentiate between MAN as in Nature and MAN a male.

Clown, the point here is NATURE not sex.



Wasn't the word MAN used for both females and males regarding their NATURE?

Laughs#

Let's take a look at the Greek word for Man at Act 17:31


anér: a man
Original Word: ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anér
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-ayr)
Definition: a man
Usage: a male human being; a man, husband.

- Strongs

The usage refer to the Male sex, So which means it's not about Nature, But Sex of the person discussed.

That means Females will be Females as well.

Jozzy4 go say you are dull. I no doubt am

As the scripture says "The only one who has been appointed by God to judge is A MAN not A SPIRIT

Sure, A Male human .

Ode. Osi.....

At resurrection NOTHING LIKE SEX I know that's where you deluded JWs are going by bringing up the issue of FEMALE.

But we just find prove Jesus retain his Male human form , Which begs the question , would the Females be transgendered or left like that ?

In your kingdom

U need to answer that question. since that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom , Into whose Kingdom are these Unbelievers with flesh and blood ressurected ?

Liar...

Only believers with the Spirit of God in them QUICKNEN their bodies.

Unless you show us where unbelievers have God's spirit in them and how the spirit their bodies will be quickening.

Since English is your problem, Jozzy4 quoted another translation that made it clear Quicken means to make their mortal bodies alive . So automatically ressurection means their bodies were also made alive. That shows they have God's spirit in them too. Since quickening is only for those with God's spirit

Where did I make the bolden statement

The point here is, both believers and unbelievers will be raised back to life but according to the scripture believers who has the Spirit of God in them will be transformed into glorious bodies.

Glorious body is flesh and bones right ? Unbelievers also have this same body of flesh and bones ?? So what's the difference.

U are not well .

DappaD:


There is no correlation between YHWH and what Jesus said at John 8:58
So how did you come about the bolded?

John 8:58
“Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.””
Jesus Christ existing as the archangel Michael was the first creature Jehovah God made before every other thing—living and nonliving were created through Jesus Christ.(1Corinthians 8:6)
Even angel Gabriel existed before Abraham(Job 38:7)
So when Jesus said he had been existence before Abraham, he means he was in heaven alongside his Father, Jehovah when the earth was being created.(Proverbs 8:22-31, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14)

Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that the Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. From where I stand, it is ridiculous in the extreme.

As for what the Lord Jesus said, He didn't say that before Abraham He was or had been, He said that before Abraham He IS. He was saying the exact same thing as He said in the burning bush to Moses --

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)

and through Paul in Hebrews --

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)

That is what I actually see in the Bible.

Barristter07:


The Jesus that died, is the same Jesus that rise ... But not the same body he died with. The rice you sow rot away in the soil.

paul was talking about the body. Yes the rice rot away but still produces another rice, same way the human body gets rotten but produces another human body. By the way Jesus body did not see corruption.

This is the Focus point. That will always expose the lies you people peddle. Show me where it says Some people will ressurect with their old corruptible body ??

When Paul said Ressurection , did he distinguish one from the other ??

paul didnt speak of the resurrection of unbelievers only of believers.


The type of resurrection unbelievers will experience is one of shame and contempt.
Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Their bodies will be eaten by worms, which means their body is still corrupt.

Mark 9:44
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

But the resurrection paul described in 1 cor15 is one of incorrution, glory and power which is that of the righteous

Blabbermouth:

In just 2 sentences, you use the word "group" 3 times. Why are y'all (that includes the others too) so fixated on this nonsense as if it is scriptural?

There is just two groups, Jehovah's Witnesses Organization against you all!
Let's hear the name of any other group by calling one person out to say "this is the name of his group". Only JWs have a unique group and we are the only Christian Organization on earth so if you're not one of us then count yourself along with any other religions but not a worshiper of our own God!

Ihedinobi3:


Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that the Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. From where I stand, it is ridiculous in the extreme.

As for what the Lord Jesus said, He didn't say that before Abraham He was or had been, He said that before Abraham He IS. He was saying the exact same thing as He said in the burning bush to Moses --

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)

and through Paul in Hebrews --

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)

That is what I actually see in the Bible.

So anywhere you see “I am” in the Scriptures, it's referring to YHWH?
What drugs are you on?
Of course that's what you're going to see when you choose to believe in a trinity doctrine that has been debunked several times on NL. Lol.

DappaD:


The guy wants to make a point even when he knows there's none. All the protesters on the streets we're seeing everyday, aren't they all members of one particular church or the other? Aren't they endorsed by their church leaders? Aren't they left without SOLID hope for the future? So what exactly have their religious leaders been preaching to them?

Of course the one and only organization that can say emphatically that none of her members is part of the protest is Jehovah's Witnesses. Because we solely believe in God's kingdom not human government!

DappaD:


So anywhere you see “I am” in the Scriptures, it's referring to YHWH?
What drugs are you on?
Of course that's what you're going to see when you choose to believe in a trinity doctrine that has been debunked several times on NL. Lol.

I've accused you and your cohorts of letting yourselves be deceived and of deceiving others. These are accusations that I have substantiated with what I am convinced is evidence from the Bible. You claimed that I was being abusive, and I decided to ignore your claim as a foolish one, since an accusation is a different thing from abuse or insult. But now you insinuate that I am on drugs only because I disagree with you? That is what abuse means. I don't subject myself to mistreatment just because. I am absolutely under no obligation to endure it from you except for any personal reasons that I deem fit. So, when I say that I don't typically talk to your kind, although you are free to take it however you please, this is most definitely why I don't.

As for debunking, perhaps you have been on Nairaland with some other monicker in the past, but this one you're using right now dates from the middle of this year. I have been on Nairaland with occasional breaks and different monickers since 2011. I have debated far better behaved JWs than yourself and your cohorts (e.g. truthislight) more than once and I have never seen the Trinity debunked once on this forum. But, of course, as you yourself said, we see what we want to see. As far as very many of the atheists on this platform are concerned too, the notion of God's Existence has been debunked ad infinitum ad nauseum. I personally don't care what you think has happened. I know what I know, and I believe what I believe, and I follow the Bible.

As for "I Am," if you have a real problem with my argument, state it, and maybe I will entertain it.

AkinwaleJJ:
I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.

Your frustration just started.

Please go ahead, hypocrite!
But you'll be very happy and cheering your brothers when they do the same.

You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.

But I think JWs are God who have the right to uphold every facet of the scripture.

Cry me a river!

So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

Deluded JWs I'm waiting for your insults

Odun.....