donjazet:


I swear down, one can't truly understand a situation like he who wears the shoe that pains.

Sometime ago when i watched the news and saw some people run down black lives matter protesters in America, I was like what kind of heartless barbarity is that??

But after spending 5 hours in traffic yesterday because of these fools who don't even know what the're protesting again, my perspective became very much clearer on how those people felt.

At this point, I am asking why we don't just take the win so far and chill and watch how things progress from here.

In America, after the death of George Floyd, millions of people all over the world, came out in support and solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. Trump didn't even pay close attention, he kept screaming law and order but at least he held dialogues with police Chiefs that led to slight reforms on police manhandling.

Before you knew it, the protests started getting derailed to other issues that had nothing to do with the original intent of the protest Good or bad as they might have been), People started defacing all revered monuments, started blocking highways and calling for a total abolishment of the police force.
At that point, normal people lost interest and the zeal to still protest and 4 months later, you still have some people protesting for God knows what. The protests are thoroughly unrecognizable from how it started. Everyone is now tired of seeing all these protests in America now that have even turned violent in many cases and would rather the whole thing stopped for now.

We in Nigeria need to learn from that. The protests were very honorable to begin with, with a very simple message #END SARS.
The international community has rallied behind us and the government has responded swiftly too. They have banned the unit and assured that the unit is now rendered defunct with reformation for it's members.
We have to take this win and bide our time, now the protests are being hijacked with all sorts of agenda from different people. The protests are gradually progressing to riots, the protesters are now a nuisance to the average citizen on the road.

These protests have to end now.
LET'S TAKE THE WIN AND BIDE OUR TIME. Else normal people will lose the zeal to continue to support us.

very excellent take.

the figure heads of this #endsars protests are long on passion and commitment but very naive on how to press their advantage. once govt had agreed to their demands the next step would have been to appoint credible youth reps amongst themselves to gatekeep the process of govt implementation of their 5 demands so that no opportunist like Segalink would hijack the process.

like you said they should learn to take small wins in their quest to change the system.

even the arab spring revolution that was more sweeping than our own currently what did the ordinary people gain? Libya is a mess, civil war in syria while Egypt only replaced a former military civilian dictator for another

Greatihex:
I suspect fowl play. Politicians can do anything to sabotage this struggle. But I will continue to pray that if this will lead to the revolution the change this country for the betterment of every good people in this country, God should not allow the evil men to succeed.

a new Nigeria is surely coming.... there's no sabotage anywhere..By tomorrow d boys will still be out and d imposed curfew will have no effect

Almajirihunter:
Is it not yet time too change the whole name of the agitations, why still call it #endSARS when it has entirely nothing to do with it again......to the government they’ve ended SARS and anything now is out the status quo for the main reason of the protest. Right now I don’t even know why the protests are still going on,I just left my house now to see someone urgently but I wasn’t able to which is really frustrating,if I’m to sacrifice my freedom of movement I deserve to know what you’re protesting for because honestly now, I don’t

I think it's time the protest took a new turn but then, in the absence of any form of leadership, it's very difficult to technically dump the #EndSARS demand for an all encompassing demand for good governance across board...

Greatihex:


Sir, if you are going to be aggressive or personal in this debate that is about to ensue, I will not reply you more than this.
But if not, then will you be kind to answer these questions?

But before then, let me say this. There should be no food for a lazy man.

Now, the questions.

1. Are men egoistic in nature or not?

5. Should authority of any kind be attached to any leadership position and should the authority be respected?

1. Ego is not gender specific. Some women are naturally egoistical in nature as are some men, it has nothing to do with sex or gender.

2.

Is it good for a man to sit and his wife goes out to work to feed him and their children

I don't think there is any actual marriage where you say a partner "seats at home doing nothing" while the other goes out to work for food. That you will make this statement is further testament to your misogynistic mindset.
What we have had traditionally is that the man carries out the more laborious tasks to earn money while the woman organizes the household. That is not doing nothing. She does little things by the side, she carries out all domestic chores, she farmed too, she sells petty things to also do her fair share, that is not "nothing".

In the modern world, women are now allowed to do any work a man can do. Both white collar and blue collar. There should be nothing like gender specific jobs. It's okay for a woman to earn more than the man. A marriage is a partnership between two people, whatever works better for them should rule not what society thinks should work in a marriage. Your anachronism induced by your religious belief fuels your misogyny. It's okay to have reversed roles. It's okay for a woman to earn more than a man.

3.

Do you believe that there should be a leader in the family? If yes, who should it be

No i do not subscribe to the concept of leadership in a marriage. Again, anachronism at play here. A marriage should should be a partnership between two equals. The concept of a man being a "leader" in a marriage stems from a time when women were regarded as properties of men and largely inferior. There should be no distinction between a man and woman in a marriage purely on the basis ofgender. It is wrong.

4.

What should be the role of the leader and the others

Again, both of them can be equal leaders in their own rights. Marriage should be between two people who love themselves and as such don't mind or matter who assumes whatever role in it. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. The other party should have as much say as the other. This works well if they are both in love with each other.

The 5th question is same with the rest. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. Both roles can be reversed. There shouldn't be a golden rule as to what should work in a marriage..
Marriage is just a social construct of man. It should be fluid.

Donjazet without being patronizing, I think your thinking and outlook to life has changed in the last 6 months or let me say you are articulating things better and in a more balanced way

All your posts on this thread today I fully support. It shows why one must not give up on people

larride:


What does the government seeks to gain by discrediting the movement?

1.End Sars, the government has disbanded the unit.
2. All ex SARS officer are currently in Abuja. There has been no SARS on the road since the IGP ordered all of them to report to Abuja. Lot of people have confirmed even on twitter that most SARS state office are currently moribund or taken over by the men of CID.
3. Judicial inquiry has started in different states for the victims of SARS abuse.
4. Just 2 days ago 37 officers were dismissed/demoted from the Police office.
5. The IGP said no member of the disbanded SARS will be enlisted to the new SWAT team.

So if the government has been responsive to the EndSars demand, what exactly do they stand to gain by discrediting the movement? Won’t that be counter productive?

Like someone has already said. This appears to have gone beyond EndSARS.

You need to read up on how many of these uprisings/revolutions/rebellions or whatever you want to call it take place. It often starts from a trivial looking issue and then evolves to include more and more crucial and significant issues.

The French revolution was ignited by what appeared to be the relatively boring issue of voting procedure in their general assembly before it spiraled out of control and the movement was hijacked from the moderates by more and more radical elements.

Don't expect that the EndSARS protest of the generationally frustrated people of Nigeria will end there. Every aggrieved and frustrated person and group is going to come out and what we have now in Nigeria is a rolling funnel, and nobody knows where it will be facing at the end.

I actually believe that if not for the patently anti-revolutionary spirit of Nigerians we would have a full blown uprising on our hands by now. The mix of a moribund and incompetent presidency with a large , hungry and angry population is quite dangerous.

raumdeuter:
Donjazet without being patronizing, I think your thinking and outlook to life has changed in the last 6 months or let me say you are articulating things better and in a more balanced way

All your posts on this thread today I fully support. It shows why one must not give up on people

In other words, na you correct am. How patronizing.

donjazet:


1. Ego is not gender specific. Some women are naturally egoistical in nature as are some men, it has nothing to do with sex or gender.

2.

I don't think there is any actual marriage where you say a partner "seats at home doing nothing" while the other goes out to work for food. That you will make this statement is further testament to your misogynistic mindset.
What we have had traditionally is that the man carries out the more laborious tasks to earn money while the woman organizes the household. That is not doing nothing. She does little things by the side, she carries out all domestic chores, she farmed too, she sells petty things to also do her fair share, that is not "nothing".

In the modern world, women are now allowed to do any work a man can do. Both white collar and blue collar. There should be nothing like gender specific jobs. It's okay for a woman to earn more than the man. A marriage is a partnership between two people, whatever works better for them should rule not what society thinks should work in a marriage. Your anachronism induced by your religious belief fuels your misogyny. It's okay to have reversed roles. It's okay for a woman to earn more than a man.

3.
No i do not subscribe to the concept of leadership in a marriage. Again, anachronism at play here. A marriage should should be a partnership between two equals. The concept of a man being a "leader" in a marriage stems from a time when women were regarded as properties of men and largely inferior. There should be no distinction between a man and woman in a marriage purely on the basis ofgender. It is wrong.

4.

Again, both of them can be equal leaders in their own rights. Marriage should be between two people who love themselves and as such don't mind or matter who assumes whatever role in it. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. The other party should have as much say as the other. This works well if they are both in love with each other.

The 5th question is same with the rest. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. Both roles can be reversed. There shouldn't be a golden rule as to what should work in a marriage..
Marriage is just a social construct of man. It should be fluid.

The moment I read the bold I stopped reading. It is obvious you can't have a debate without making it personal. I won't reply you further on this.

afrodoc2:


Like someone has already said. This appears to have gone beyond EndSARS.

You need to read up on how many of these uprisings/revolutions/rebellions or whatever you want to call it take place. It often starts from a trivial looking issue and then evolves to include more and more crucial and significant issues.

The French revolution was ignited by what appeared to be the relatively boring issue of voting procedure in their general assembly before it spiraled out of control and the movement was hijacked from the moderates by more and more radical elements.

Don't expect that the EndSARS protest of the generationally frustrated people of Nigeria will end there. Every aggrieved and frustrated person and group is going to come out and what we have now in Nigeria is a rolling funnel, and nobody knows where it will be facing at the end.

I actually believe that if not for the patently anti-revolutionary spirit of Nigerians we would have a full blown uprising on our hands by now. The mix of a moribund and incompetent presidency with a large , hungry and angry population is quite dangerous.

Yeah, I know protest can be hijacked at anytime.

I’m saying the government has been receptive to the demands of EndSars so far. It makes no sense to still thinking the same government will start sending thugs to disrupt protestors.

Look at what’s happening in Ogolonto Ikorodu, Cultist has taken over, robbing and stabbing people along that axis. There’s another video trending on Twitter of thugs stoning RRS officers inside their patrol vans in Alapere. The earlier those championing the protest stop attributing every attacks from thug/hoodlum as being sponsored by the government, the better.

@afrodoc

See this screenshot from Apostle Suleman. A well known critic of the FG.

First pics 4 days ago

Second pics today.

Greatihex:
The moment I read the bold I stopped reading. It is obvious you do without making it personal. I won't reply you further on this.

That boy is just typing ignorantly and foolishly.

Greatihex:
The moment I read the bold I stopped reading. It is obvious you do without making it personal. I won't reply you further on this.

I don't know what you mean by me making it personal.
I made a very factually correct statement.
Everyone here knows that you are ultra religious and by default misogynistic as evidenced by your statements. I only corrected your notions.

If you're offended by it, it's because you know it's the truth and you dispossess a logical rebuttal.
There should not be a gender specific role in a marriage. A marriage should be built on the foundation of love and understanding and as such should work based on how the said couple sees fit not based on how society deems it fit.

larride:


Yeah, I know protest can be hijacked at anytime.

I’m saying the government has been receptive to the demands of EndSars so far. It makes no sense to still thinking the same government will start sending thugs to disrupt protestors.

Look at what’s happening in Ogolonto Ikorodu, Cultist has taken over, robbing and stabbing people along that axis. There’s another video trending on Twitter of thugs stoning RRS officers inside their patrol vans in Alapere. The earlier those championing the protest stop attributing every attacks from thug/hoodlum as being sponsored by the government, the better.

Oh about that. It was an angle I proposed as a possibility, which you can’t rule out 100%.

Government is not one man. There are thousands of politicians involved in this scam called the government in Nigeria. 1 person in Abuja might be receptive to the demands while others in Abuja, Lagos, or Benin might not feel the same way.

Maybe i should have said the Nigerian Political-industrial complex rather than government.

And i was not attributing every incident of violence to the government. The same way you shouldn’t attribute every incident of violence to unconnected hoodlums.

donjazet:


1. Ego is not gender specific. Some women are naturally egoistical in nature as are some men, it has nothing to do with sex or gender.

2.

I don't think there is any actual marriage where you say a partner "seats at home doing nothing" while the other goes out to work for food. That you will make this statement is further testament to your misogynistic mindset.
What we have had traditionally is that the man carries out the more laborious tasks to earn money while the woman organizes the household. That is not doing nothing. She does little things by the side, she carries out all domestic chores, she farmed too, she sells petty things to also do her fair share, that is not "nothing".

In the modern world, women are now allowed to do any work a man can do. Both white collar and blue collar. There should be nothing like gender specific jobs. It's okay for a woman to earn more than the man. A marriage is a partnership between two people, whatever works better for them should rule not what society thinks should work in a marriage. Your anachronism induced by your religious belief fuels your misogyny. It's okay to have reversed roles. It's okay for a woman to earn more than a man.

3.
No i do not subscribe to the concept of leadership in a marriage. Again, anachronism at play here. A marriage should should be a partnership between two equals. The concept of a man being a "leader" in a marriage stems from a time when women were regarded as properties of men and largely inferior. There should be no distinction between a man and woman in a marriage purely on the basis ofgender. It is wrong.

4.

Again, both of them can be equal leaders in their own rights. Marriage should be between two people who love themselves and as such don't mind or matter who assumes whatever role in it. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. The other party should have as much say as the other. This works well if they are both in love with each other.

The 5th question is same with the rest. Leadership is not restricted to only one gender. Both roles can be reversed. There shouldn't be a golden rule as to what should work in a marriage..
Marriage is just a social construct of man. It should be fluid.

You people have ways of twisting a life long tradition to fit your narratives.
This is why many contemporary marriages are having issues and divorce is the new order.
Even the bible stated it clearly in 1Cor 11:3 & 1Peter 3:7 that husband is the head of the house and that, do not in anyway relegate any woman in the house.
I stayed with my Aunt's family (young couple, in their 4th year of marriage with a child) after school, waiting for youth service in 2015 and i could tell you that this woman is submissive, loving and respectful towards her husband despite her demanding Nursing job.
Her spouse played his part well by providing, praying, loving and helping out whenever his wife is busy .The marriage celebrated 9years on Saturday and it is waxing stronger by God's grace.

Melvyn11:

That boy is just typing ignorantly and foolishly.

You are an idiot_ who is also very stupid. Your brain is very empty hence the weak single line jab. Return to your hut.

Ibime:


All humans have rights. Criminals are punished for denying others their rights. I don't think half of Super Falcons team should be arrested and thrown in jail for ten years for being lesbians.

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

OJURONGBE1:



You people have ways of twisting a life long tradition to fit your narratives.
This is why many contemporary marriages are having issues and divorce is the new order.
Even the bible stated it clearly in 1Cor 11:3 & 1Peter 3:7 that husband is the head of the house and that, do not in anyway relegate any woman in the house.
I stayed with my Aunt's family (young couple, in their 4th year of marriage with a child) after school, waiting for youth service in 2015 and i could tell you that this woman is submissive, loving and respectful towards her husband despite her demanding Nursing job.
Her spouse played his part well providing, praying and loving his family and the marriage is waxing stronger by God's grace.

The Bible also says slaves should obey their masters.

Just saying.

donjazet:

[s] You are an idiot_ who is also very stupid. Your brain is very empty hence the weak single line jab. Return to your hut. [/s]

You wrote absolutely trash. Get over it

raumdeuter:
Donjazet without being patronizing, I think your thinking and outlook to life has changed in the last 6 months or let me say you are articulating things better and in a more balanced way

All your posts on this thread today I fully support. It shows why one must not give up on people

You no well ooo.
I am very consistent in my arguments, I don't flip flop on issues. If you think i do, post evidence. You clearly didn't understand my stance on issues before now. I say it as it is.

Godx:

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

First of all, what crimes have homosexuals commited?

bros why should I arrest or jail somebody for who they chose to love? are they bringing it to my side? if not live and let live.

that said just because I tolerate your life style doesn't give you the right to come force it down my throat all to push your agenda.

Godx:

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

donjazet:


First of all, what crimes have homosexuals commited?

*Criminal law* Read up on it, understand it before replying. . I don't have time for ignorant argument this period

raumdeuter:
What is the stuff about Aguero touching the shoulder of a female referee

Personally,I don't see what is wrong here .we have seen players going to celebrate goals with female fans so this shouldn't be an issue.

chrisooblog:
bros why should I arrest or jail somebody for who they chose to love? are they bringing it to my side? if not live and let live.

that said just because I tolerate your life style doesn't give you the right to come force it down my throat all to push your agenda.

Sorry but the bold is very ignorant and I will leave it at that. Do you know commiting sucide is crime?

macjireh:

a new Nigeria is surely coming.... there's no sabotage anywhere..By tomorrow d boys will still be out and d imposed curfew will have no effect

Imposed curfew will have no effect You guys don't know what govt can do sha Lol

OJURONGBE1:



You people have ways of twisting a life long tradition to fit your narratives.
This is why many contemporary marriages are having issues and divorce is the new order.
Even the bible stated it clearly in 1Cor 11:3 & 1Peter 3:7 that husband is the head of the house and that, do not in anyway relegate any woman in the house.
I stayed with my Aunt's family (young couple, in their 4th year of marriage with a child) after school, waiting for youth service in 2015 and i could tell you that this woman is submissive, loving and respectful towards her husband despite her demanding Nursing job.
Her spouse played his part well by providing, praying, loving and helping out whenever his wife is busy .The marriage celebrated 9years on Saturday and it is waxing stronger by God's grace.

Here we go again, justifying your perspective from the shallow lens of your religion.
Well, guess what, there are billions of other people in the world who don't subscribe to your idea of what an ideal marriage should be and the role of each gender in the marriage.

In many parts of Tibet, Nepal, India and China. The ideal for a marriage is for one woman to marry two or more men and be their property. Polyandry is their recognized tradition.
I'm sure you're against having more than one man and woman in a marriage. Well, absolute shocker, many tribes and religions subscribe to the idea of numerous people in a marriage.

In some native tribes in Mexico, their society is matriarchal, not patriarchal and by definition believe that females have a much stronger role to play in society than the men. The women are regarded more highly than the men there.
Broaden your horizon and stop seeing things from the limited perspective of your surrounding society. Marriage practices are fluid and should not be static.

you are very funny then the person that committed suicide should be arrested now charge his corpse to court.

being gay does not affect your existence in anyway. if you travel overseas to America or western Europe and you see two grown ass men kissing as much as it disgusts you throw way face. Why can't you throw way face here in Nigeria?

Godx:

Sorry but the bold is very ignorant and I will leave it at that. Do you know commiting sucide is crime?

it was also in the criminal law that black people were once penalized in some countries for using white only conveniences please come with a more logical argument

Godx:


*Criminal law* Read up on it, understand it before replying. . I don't have time for ignorant argument this period

donjazet:


Here we go again, justifying your perspective from the shallow lens of your religion.
Well, guess what, there are billions of other people in the world who don't subscribe to your idea of what an ideal marriage should be and the role of each gender in the marriage.

In many parts of Tibet, Nepal, India and China. The ideal for a marriage is for one woman to marry two or more men and be their property. Polyandry is their recognized tradition.
I'm sure you're against having more than one man and woman in a marriage. Well, absolute shocker, many tribes and religions subscribe to the idea of numerous people in a marriage.

In some native tribes in Mexico, their society is matricial, not partricial and by extension believe that females have a much stronger role to play in society than the men. The women are regarded more highly than the men there.
Broaden your horizon and stop seeing things from the limited perspective of your surrounding society. Marriage practices are fluid and should not be static.

I am a Nigerian, an African man, I do not fit into these ideologies. The bible is my guide and i have people who lives by it, even in developed countries and are doing just fine.

donjazet:


You are an idiot_ who is also very stupid. Your brain is very empty hence the weak single line jab. Return to your hut.

Another thing I have to work with you on is your temper. Replying harshly will only get negative response. People will always oppose you but you have to be calm and not reply harshly else what you are trying to communicate

Let me handle this

Godx:

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

Live and let live.

I don't know why a rational adult should have issues with homosexuals when they're good people and don't constitute any danger to anyone.

Godx:

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

Homosexuals are human and they are not hurting anyone by their acts.
They simply have sex with consenting adults like heterosexuals do