benalvino2:


Even if that is the case they will have to replace it. The point we are making is developing the batteries does more arm to the earth than developing fossil fuel

How did you reach this conclusion? Its out rightly false. Fossil fuel exploration is damning and its clean up is more damning.

Lithium, Manganese and other rare metal exploration are more safer. Its operation can easily be controlled. Have you heard in recent time where exploration of this elements caused devastating pollution? No! But Fossil, even its transportation is a risk.

sorry if already posted. this thread is extra productive!

'Release your tax return, or stop talking corruption.' — Biden confronted Trump's tax scandal and foreign owned bank accounts head on at the final 2020 presidential debate #Debates2020

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1319678218236915713

benalvino2:

There are some questions you have to asked yourself.

give me your data..people have spent time observing gamut of data all for you to sit back behind your computer to call it a joke..have you done your own analysis with raw data all around the planet?

ZooOga:
sorry if already posted. this thread is extra productive!

'Release your tax return, or stop talking corruption.' — Biden confronted Trump's tax scandal and foreign owned bank accounts head on at the final 2020 presidential debate #Debates2020

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1319678218236915713

trump is a very honest man that would never show case his tax returns to the world but would rather run back and forth in court to ensure it isn't released out.

Timiofak:


Lmao, point to exactly where I said America should have the same carbon emission rate as China?

And in fact us currently have almost the same carbon emissions of 5.3 billion metric tons, while China as 9.8 billion metric tons, while the us population is 330 million, while China is 1.4 billion, so what are we talking about?

And yes china care, they plans to end co2 emissions in the next 40 years, link below

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-says-it-will-stop-releasing-co2-within-40-years/

So china is really growing green, I know it's hard to accept, that Republicans are m*rons

Correction it's 5.4 (US) 10.6 (China) how is this "almost the same"?
So we want to talk about population density now?
Give a rest abeg

CoronaVirusRelo:


How did you reach this conclusion? Its out rightly false. Fossil fuel exploration is damning and its clean up is more damning.

Lithium, Manganese and other rare metal exploration are more safer. Its operation can easily be controlled. Have you heard in recent time where exploration of this elements caused devastating pollution? No! But Fossil, even its transportation is a risk.

Go and research how those batteries are made. I usually don't speak from ignorance. I try to get a basic knowledge of whatever I am talking about

bayelsaowei:
give me your data..people have spent time observing gamut of data all for you to sit back behind your computer to call it a joke..have you done your own analysis with raw data all around the planet?

NASA just playing politics. But read this
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/08/extending-the-history-of-nasa-global-temperature-fraud/

benalvino2:


I don't know about this. But I know fuel energy efficiency... Like only 30% is used and 70% is lost in heat and other process. Whereas electric cars used 90% of its power efficiently. Electric cars has better torque and acceleration compared to fuel. Cause it's just the motor connected to the power when fuel... A lot is involved. Like most if the energy is lost in the transmission system. The gears and friction

A moving vehicle expends nearly all energy to overcome friction from the surface and air.
I gave oil engines 55% , In reality they could be doing 30% efficiency.
The idea of a magnetically levitated train is borne of the idea that opposite poles of a magnet repel each other with a force that can be directed in the horizontal direction. You power the track and train electromagnets and the train floats albeit an inch or two overcoming the surface friction. A hypothetical hyperloop uses a vacuum in the tube and the force created by opposite magnetic poles for propulsion.
You damn need energy and it gorra be reliable, unlike using solar when there are clouds no power is generated. Or wind power, there is no wind no power.
Guys spend a hell lot of time planning on reliable wattage hours to deliver to electric consumers They work out when to shut production depending on time of the day In the evening everyone is cooking and expending a lot of energy. Another idiot is running is a welding machine which uses a lot of current leading to losses.
In electrical Power losses are
the square of current and resistance Zero resistance means zero waste, which is not possible. That's why power transmission lines operate at very high voltages to reduce the current carried.
A lot of details go into that.
Fossil fuels are here to stay, we make them efficient until we find out how to make conductors with zero resistance.
Then we can generate all power from deserts and haul it to places needed.
But liberals would rather use taxes to subsidize solar panels so anyone can. afford them during summer

benalvino2:


NASA just playing politics. But read this
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/08/extending-the-history-of-nasa-global-temperature-fraud/

politics to gain what?

Kindly tell me what the politics tends to achieve. Kindly tell the forum.

I can assume that you might be one of the proponents of flaring from flow stations and hydrocarbon facilities..

Why is there a push even in nigeria to eliminate flaring (not relating to process offsets)

basilico:


Batteries have components of rare earth metals, their extraction is extremely wasteful and damaging to the environment.China gives a rats arse about the environment, they control 90% of world's rare earth metals.Western societies were forced to shut down their mines, they too have plenty of rerserves of them, but green activists had them shutter.
We are not conflating clean environment with Climate change. Cleaner efficient fossil fuels are the way to go we all agree. But banning fossil fuels to transition to renewable energy is at the tail end of a pipe dream.
Sahara has the sun most of the year, a lot of solar can be produced there. The real problem begins with transportation of that power . Losses abound.

What loses, you know nothing about electricity. Stop reading stuffs far right websites. The power is converted to AC to minimize loss before being sent down the transmission line. While there are HVDC transmission, it's not very common and rare.
As per your rare metal.(lithium and cobalt), they are fully recyclable. Next.

benalvino2:


Go and research how those batteries are made. I usually don't speak from ignorance. I try to get a basic knowledge of whatever I am talking about

Explain what you talking about? Now its not about the exploration of its composition and its about how they are made?

Tell me how battery manufacturing has got more adverse effect than oil exploration?

And give scenarios where its production has caused devastating environmental pollution.

You happen to be from an oil producing country which I believe should give you an edge about knowing the devastating effect of oil exploration.

South Africa has been mining Gold, Diamonds and Platinum for decades and you can count their losses. Can you do same for your country?

When you say you know what you talking about, I am really willing to learn. If It might interest you, I happen to have worked within Comilog premises and I outrighlty know what I am talking about on this subject.

Tell me about the battery production, I am willing to learn

Soon we will hear hydrocarbon is clean energy.

We cant be running away from reality oo...I would prefer fossil proponents dwell more on how to reduce carbon emissions using technology whilst still dealing with hydrocarbon rather than throw away the concept of climate change..it doesn't mean it will go away..

salford1:

What loses, you know nothing about electricity. Stop reading stuffs far right websites. The power is converted to AC to minimize loss before being sent down the transmission line. While there are HVDC transmission, it's not very common and rare.
As per your rare metal.(lithium and cobalt), they are fully recyclable. Next.

Spot-On

bayelsaowei:
how long? You will be shocked that in the next 50 years the international companies will have reduced hydrocarbon production drastically by %80. Probably Africa might still be stuck on oil, but not the western and advanced world. The reality is hitting everyone already.

All major IOC are pushing for renewables because they don't want to be left behind. Our umudike republicans are not different from some northern Nigeria politicians that are drunk on the oil from the south and also further exploring the Chad basin when the world is moving away from oil.

pryme:


Correction it's 5.4 (US) 10.6 (China) how is this "almost the same"?
So we want to talk about population density now?
Give a rest abeg

Per capita emissions America is x3 of china what the heck are you talking about? And no it isn't 10.6

But okay, China isn't going green after pointing you to various sources

bayelsaowei:
I even expect trump to be talking more about carbon capture storage as a way to handle carbon emissions even if he insists on dieing in fracking and oil exploration/production. I expect him to discuss about ways to reduce carbon emissions. But the guy has come out to throw down the scientific researches and findings on climate change..

A human with zilch knowledge about science disputing scientific findings that we see the evidence day in day out..

Carbon capture is currently being used in my province. The coal fired plant I was talking about was retrofitted with the technology atleast till it's completely shut down.
Trump probably has no idea what that is.

bayelsaowei:
politics to gain what?

Kindly tell me what the politics tends to achieve. Kindly tell the forum.

I can assume that you might be one of the proponents of flaring from flow stations and hydrocarbon facilities..

Why is there a push even in nigeria to eliminate flaring (not relating to process offsets)

How do you think they get their funding? Did you read the article in the link I present?

salford1:

All major IOC are pushing for renewables because they don't want to be left behind. Our umudike republicans are not different from some northern Nigeria politicians that are drunk on the oil from the south and also further exploring the Chad basin when the world is moving away from oil.

shell, BP, even the American big companies are moving ahead with the train because of the realities on ground..

Writing down their investments and reducing heavily on hydrocarbons whilst investing in renewables that are cleaner..

The obvious truth is that hydrocarbons is not clean energy.. its just the truth.

benalvino2:


How do you think they get their funding? Did you read the article in the link I present?

I did..

benalvino2:
ANOTHER TRUMP PEACE DEAL: President Trump has just announced that he brokered another major agreement, this one between Sudan and Israel - who have agreed to normalize relations. This follows two Trump peace deals between Israel and Bahrain, and Israel and the UAE.

All the Muslim countries that wants to kill Israel is now friends with them.

Lmao, first of all they weren't at war. But you do know all these peace talks around isreal, is just a way to pander to his fanatical Christian?

Timiofak:


Per capita emissions America is x3 of china what the heck are you talking about? And no it isn't 10.6

But okay, China isn't going green after pointing you to various sources

Let's say china is pumping out carbon into the sky, does that mean others should follow suit. That is the same thinking that has messed up Nigeria.
One politician thinks it's his right to steal and loot because others before him have done same.

salford1:

What loses, you know nothing about electricity. Stop reading stuffs far right websites. The power is converted to AC to minimize loss before being sent down the transmission line. While there are HVDC transmission, it's not very common and rare.
As per your rare metal.(lithium and cobalt), they are fully recyclable. Next.

You can generate electrical power in the deserts. Transporting it involves losses that increase with conductor length.

You use HVAC to backhaul. Losses are minimal because Voltage squared divided by Resistance minimises losses. You think one should step down Voltage and increase Current ?

CoronaVirusRelo:


Explain what you talking about? Now its not about the exploration of its composition and its about how they are made?

Tell me how battery manufacturing has got more adverse effect than oil exploration?

And give scenarios where its production has caused devastating environmental pollution.

You happen to be from an oil producing country which I believe should give you an edge about knowing the devastating effect of oil exploration.

South Africa has been mining Gold, Diamonds and Platinum for decades and you can count their losses. Can you do same for your country?

When you say you know what you talking about, I am really willing to learn. If It might interest you, I happen to worked withing Comilog premises and I outrighlty know what I am talking about on this subject.

Tell me about the battery production, I am willing to learn

How they are made and how they are disposed. You don't see the problem because the tech is at its infancy. Disposal of waste is a big issue in the world today and when you start getting tonnes of those batteries... There will be a big issue disposing them

Netanyahu said bleep what u talking about. I may have to work with a new oval office guy come january 2021.

@CBSNews
Trump has Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on speaker phone to discuss a deal normalizing relations between Israel and Sudan. He asks: "Do you think Sleepy Joe could have made this deal?"

Netanyahu: "We appreciate the help for peace from anyone in America"

benalvino2:


NASA just playing politics. But read this
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/08/extending-the-history-of-nasa-global-temperature-fraud/

From this poorly designed website. Jeez. Now I see why y'all believe in conspiracy theories.

basilico:


You can generate electrical power in the deserts. Transporting it involves losses that increase with conductor length.

That's the resistance. Like wires increase resistance with length. So the current you will get at the plant will be different from what you get at the location you want to use the power. But yeah... The current can be boosted

Timiofak:
Even trump himself knows climate change is real, he was asked yesterday, he gave a retarded answer. Assuming he didn't believe it real, he would have surely said that there is nothing like climate change. But some people that have zilch idea about climate say it's a lie okay na

He knows it's real but could careless. He is very useless. He doesn't care about the environment or sustainable development. Remember he tried to check if he could buy Greenland just to turn it to a waste Land.

bayelsaowei:
shell, BP, even the American big companies are moving ahead with the train because of the realities on ground..

Writing down their investments and reducing heavily on hydrocarbons whilst investing in renewables that are cleaner..

The obvious truth is that hydrocarbons is not clean energy.. its just the truth.

I am speechless!

When you see this multinational moving towards green energy and someone telling you otherwise about its effect is really mind buggling.

You start searching for more crude ways to explain.

The Auto and Aero industry racing towards green and someone trying to make this big multinationals look like fools.

Its worrisome and calls for urgent and strategic enlightenment

benalvino2:


How they are made and how they are disposed. You don't see the problem because the tech is at its infancy. Disposal of waste is a big issue in the world today and when you start getting tonnes of those batteries... There will be a big issue disposing them

Its recyclable


Get any battery around you. You will see it right on the product.

benalvino2:


That's the resistance. Like wires increase resistance with length. So the current you will get at the plant will be different from what you get at the location you want to use the power. But yeah... The current can be boosted

Power losses equals Current squared Times Resistance.
And also equals Volatage squared divided by Resistance.

And Power delivered is Voltage Times Current.

Money tip, reduce current as much as possible. increase the Volatage as much as possible. And use low resistance conductors like copper.

Timiofak:


You keep claiming to know, and you know nothing sir.

China is the world's leader right now in renewable energy, link below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

The US is second to china in renewable energy, they have double the energy America produces in renewable energy, so if America wants to be great they need to beat china, and china is moving at such a ridiculous speed that if America ignores China for another 4 years, they might never meet up.

Thanks for this link. I remember seeing the presentation somewhere at work about China leading, but never took it serious.

CoronaVirusRelo:


I am speechless!

When you see this multinational moving towards green energy and someone telling you otherwise about its effect is really mind buggling.

You start searching for more crude ways to explain.

The Auto and Aero industry racing towards green and someone trying to make this big multinationals look like fools.

Its worrisome and calls for urgent and strategic enlightenment

Everything is a big conspiracy to Republicans, I remember beginning of covid they said it's 5g that is been installed, that's why we have lockdowns. Thats how they said all the doctors know hydroxylchloroquine is the cure, but the aren't speaking up because they want to destroy trumps economy. Common!!!!!

They are literally about a million doctors in america and i am damn sure atleast 200,000 of those doctors are Republicans, how can all of them be in on such a big conspiracy.