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Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Zakiushenry: 7:54pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
Still don't know why people still depends on book, Bleep all religious and theirs lie's live4dgospel: |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by shadeyinka2: 10:08pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Gal 6:1: "Brothers, if a man be overtaken in a fault, you which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering yourself, lest you also be tempted." |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 10:11pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka2:Well, I am sorry but I am not a Paulian... I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and I love the way Jesus Christ, my Master took to rebuking the lying Pharisees instead. ![]() Also, one who is my brother is, as Jesus Christ said, one who obeys the Will of God. The will of God is that He and He alone be our one and only Teacher. And it is from Him that our understanding should come from. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Osanoghodua1: 10:14pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Now all scripture was written by the inspiration or the Holy spirit. Talking about Peter denying Jesus, Peter was not even born again when he did that so he wasn't qualified to commit the unforgiven sin. Peter became born again after the death and ressuration of Christ. He was only restored back by Jesus. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 10:22pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
Osanoghodua1:I am not certain that your assumptions about Peter's born-again status before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are entirely accurate. ![]() While Jesus Christ was with them, His disciples were able to heal the sick, cast out demons, baptize persons, and even pray and receive from God. Peter enjoyed many of the blessings enjoyed by those who are born again today. Even greater, Peter had Jesus Christ with Him as His Teacher/Master/Comforter/Counselor/Guide/Helper, and all this while Jesus Christ was still alive with them. He, Peter, was even guaranteed, along with the other disciples, by Jesus Christ Himself, a place in the Kingdom of Heaven by His, Jesus Christ's side. So, what is it that a born again has, that a born again, has that Peter did not have at the time in question? ![]() Another thing you have to bear in mind, Peter's betrayal was part of God's plan for Peter, it seems.
Also, remember that at the last Passover dinner, Jesus Christ had informed Peter that Satan (who I suspect to be God's quality control manager) had requested that Peter be tested. Review what Jesus Christ said in verse 31 of the passage above. Peter was to be tested like a farmer tests His wheat... are you not quickly reminded of the Parable of Wheat and Weeds on reading that? Peter was already likened to Wheat by Jesus Christ, meaning He was a good seed planted in the Kingdom of God, same as all those who are born again.
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Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:23am On Oct 26, 2020 |
HKGODSWILL:Nice try but no, that is not even close to what happened. When Jesus Christ spoke to the Pharisees, He told them all the truth of God, direct from the Spirit of God living inside of them. Of course we know that the Pharisees, on several occassions too, believed themselves right thereby lying against the Holy Spirit of God, in the manner that you claim. But there is absolutely no single record of any one of those old covenant believers died in the instant- loosing any change of ever repenting from the lie told. HKGODSWILL:We are not told not to judge any prophet. What you claim above has no bearing in the words of Jesus Christ at all. In fact, Jesus Christ warned people against accepting the words of prophets for their many out there who are not of God, and certainly should not be listened to. Instead He commanded His followers to listen to Him and only Him. HKGODSWILL:According to Jesus Christ, blasphemy against the Spirit of God is not just any ordinary sin. It is an unforgivable sin. So stop pretending any sin qualifies as the sin of blasphemy. Jesus Christ was strict on what qualified and the consequence of such a sin. HKGODSWILL:Stop making things up! HKGODSWILL:Again, stop lying! |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:24am On Oct 26, 2020 |
oluwaahmed:Here's the problem with assuming you define anything you are afraid of as sin, you set yourself against Jesus Christ Himself i.e. you become an anti-Christ element. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:26am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Chamakh93:I am not sure what you are getting at. This is about the sin of blasphemy as defined by Jesus Christ. What does a former atheist's repentance have to do with any of this? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:28am On Oct 26, 2020 |
infogenius:Wrong! Read what Jesus Christ said, instead of trying to make up your own truth, pretending you can do so on behalf of God. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:30am On Oct 26, 2020 |
GeneralDae:Wrong! Learn to listen to what Jesus Christ said and not make up your own truths. Jesus Christ said nothing about the sin being against or about power. Why not take Him, Jesus Christ, at His word? And what do you think makes this sin unforgivable, when God said that so long as you ask for forgiveness, HE, God, IS WILLING AND ABLE TO FORGIVE YOU ALL YOUR SINS? |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:30am On Oct 26, 2020 |
EMMY76:That is not true. They have sinned, yes, but they have not committed the unpardonable sin against the Spirit of God. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:32am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Dammy30:Again, this is not true! You folks need to start listening to what Jesus Christ in fact taught you, rather than pretend you can make this things up as you go, pretending God assigned you all the power to make up truth on His behalf. Jesus Christ was clear what the unforgivable sin is and what the consequence of such a sin is... but way too many of you are too busy with yourself to open your eyes to see what is before you in the words of Jesus Christ. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:33am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Yankee101:If you are still alive after telling such a lie, you have not committed the unpardonable sin at all. You have just committed a sin and your sins can still be forgiven you if you repent. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:34am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Tcwork:ROFLMAO! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:37am On Oct 26, 2020 |
udoh2k:Wrong! Even continuous willful rejection of the Spirit of God's conviction, which is what the world of sinners, even those who believe, live everyday, is forgivable. If at any time, the person in question chooses to repent, he/she will in fact be forgiven by God. So, what you described is just sin, but not the unpardonable sin at all. Please learn to open your eyes to learn exactly what Jesus Christ is teaching instead of injecting your assumptions into His truth, thinking you do so on behalf of God. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:40am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Abayolaid:That is the old Covenant version which is blasphemy against God. Similar to the Old Covenant, the New Covenant version of Blasphemy, is not against God but against the SPirit of God living inside of those who are followers of Jesus Christ. And yes, the penalty seems to be also death since the only way God will ever refuse to forgive a person of his/her sin is if that person is dead. Hence another reason why the story of Ananias and Sapphira fits squarely as an example of the sin of blasphemy in the New Covenant. The moment each of them emitted the lie against the Spirit of God, death took them, robbing them of any possible moments of repentance, hence unforgivable.! |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 1:42am On Oct 26, 2020 |
novelbuks:A backslide is not an unforgivable sin. Please stop trying to ADD to the commandments and truth of God. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by GeneralDae: 7:39am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:The Spirit of God is the promise of the father, the gift poured out on all men. Denying him or speaking against him by ascribing his works to Belzeebub is going against the very power of God within ( the spirit of grace and truth). This is usually a sin committed by those who know the spirit of truth already but backside willfully or deny the truth by ascribing his works to Belzeebub. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 7:45am On Oct 26, 2020 |
GeneralDae:A gift poured out on ALL MEN? Since the Spirit of God is the seal of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, are you suggesting that ALL men are then born of the Spirit and into the New Covenant? ![]() Also, ascribing His works to Beelzebub? Denying Him or speaking against Him? ![]() |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by infogenius(m): 8:18am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: What's wrong there? Kindly point it out. Nothing like making up my own truth. That's my Rhema and your opinion can't change it. Read Mat 25 from verse 14 to 30 and ask the Holy Spirit to open ur eyes to see the Word. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 8:32am On Oct 26, 2020 |
infogenius:There is no "my Rhema" as far as the Truth of God is concerned. There is only one truth and if you would only become like a Child in your thinking, you would see that much of what is written in that book can be comprehended with the eyes and understanding of a Child. That is what Jesus Christ tried to tell us all 2000 years ago. Matthew 25 vs 14 to 30 does not give you the authority to inject your personal assumptions and delusions into what is written in plain human language and can be easily comprehended in much the same way as material written in plain human language. infogenius:WRONG! Because this is not what Jesus Christ said. infogenius:Wrong! This is not what Jesus Christ said it is! infogenius:Wrong! Did is not what Jesus Christ said about the unpardonable sin! infogenius:Wrong! This is not what Jesus Christ said it is at all! infogenius:Wrong! Again, this is not what Jesus Christ said is the unpardonable sin. Your Rhema is wrong because it entirely ignores what Jesus Christ told us is the unpardonable sin , and instead seeks to create it's own destination.... that is what your Rhema has done here. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by felvick(m): 8:39am On Oct 26, 2020 |
The sin in question here is not the sin of unbelief. It is the sin of speaking, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The Bible says the sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit can not be forgiven even here on earth. If you think it is the sin of unbelief Jesus was talking about there, that means you are also saying that if one had unbelief, and then realises he was wrong all along and asks for forgiveness and confesses his sins, he won't be forgiven, because Jesus said that the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven of any man even here on earth. Then that should now mean that all of us who had been unbelievers before, but have now asked for forgiveness and given our lives to Christ are not yet forgiven, because Jesus said the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven of us even here on earth. So I disagree that it is the sin of unbelief, rather, it is the sin of speaking, blasphemy or mockings, not against Jesus but against the Holy Ghost, whether you are a Christian or an unbeliever. So we should all be careful. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by infogenius(m): 8:44am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Mt25 doesn't tell u plainly unpardonable sin. But the 7 foolish virgins and the site servant's sin was not pardoned. Well, you can stick to the plain language u read Bro. The way you understand scriptures is different from mine. So our opinions must differ. I don't only read the Word of God, I see it Bro. May God give us understanding |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by gud4vvvvv: 8:53am On Oct 26, 2020 |
what of lying (to a rev fr) while confessing your sin and not believing in the gospel... I think they are just two of the sins committed against the holy Spirit. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 9:23am On Oct 26, 2020 |
infogenius:Itt tells you all that you need to know about it. These 2 details are very important in understanding the sin of blasphemy as described by Jesus Christ 1. Sin of Blasphemy is a sin against the Spirit of God only 2. Sin of Blasphemy is unforgivable In the book of Jeremiah we are told that in the New Covenant that God has made with us, that God will forgive our sis and will remember our sins no more. So, why would a God who made this declaration, decide not to pardon a sin against His own Spirit? Did God change His mind? Did God lie? What is it that results from committing that sin that makes it unpardonable? 4 By asking yourself some simple questions, you might in fact figure out that the result of these sins is immediate death, like in the case of Ananias and Sapphira, and the case of Herod, all in the book of Acts. They never got a chance to ask God for forgiveness for the sin they had committed against the Spirit of God -- hence the reason the sin of Blasphemy is called Unpardonable. Blasphemers in the Old Covenant are put to death, according to God's law... the people gathered and stoned such persons to death (no trial suggested). In the book of Acts, an example of this is revealed where the Jews, helmed by Saul of Tarsus, stoned Stephen, the deacon, to death, following the Old Covenant blasphemy law, where God set the people of Israel as judge, jury and executioner over those who blasphemed. ![]() ![]() In His New Covenant, however, the punishment for the sin of blasphemy is carried out by the Spirit of God living inside of the followers of Jesus Christ. He, the Spirit of God who is also the Seal of the New Covenant is the judge, jury and executioner of those who Blaspheme His person, and from examples, His decision is near-instant, denying the blasphemer any chance at repentance. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() infogenius:I am sorry but what has the parables in question to do with this? They have absolutely nothing to do with the Sin of Blasphemy. infogenius:God does not lie! He does not create different truths for different people. Suggesting that we should read the same commandments of Jesus Christ and come away with different truths is being dishonest for there is only one truth and that Truth is Jesus Christ. Any other that does not correspond with what is written is a lie! |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by infogenius(m): 9:46am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Guy, it's obvious that you did not read my first post clearly on this issue. It would have saved u this long story. It's alright. I think I have had enough. Thanks for the mention |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Yankee101: 10:05am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Of course. But the problem with absolute negation is change. It's easier for the sun to stop shining than the pathological liar to stop lying, that's why the devil is called father of all liars. You're not lying to survive, get out of a pickle or to help someone, but lying against the Holy Spirit just for lies sake. Roman's 9:17 Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. A programmer will understand this, some were created for destruction, a specific purpose. So they're just following script, of their own free will |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by GeneralDae: 11:36am On Oct 26, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:To be honest, I don't understand this post. But then if you have a counter point, why not clearly state it like I have stated mine, so I know what your standpoint is on the issue. Only then can the discussion become clear to me. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by Kobojunkie: 2:55pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
GeneralDae:look closer! My post there is filled with questions, not counter points. I am trying to extract from you more details to help me better understand the statements made. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by live4dgospel(m): 7:06am On Oct 27, 2020 |
ILoveDemMANNA: Yes unbelief is the very sin against the Holy Spirit. It is not overstatement to say that people go to hell simply because they didn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit while they are still alive. Fellow Christians, God send humans to hell for failing to believe in His Son's work of salvation. God Himself knew our human weakness because He remembered that we are dust "For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust."(Psalm 103:14) This verse is telling us that God knew our insufficiencies so He sent His Son Jesus Christ, had Him be baptized by John the Baptist transferring all the sin of the world from Adam's sin to the sin of the last person to born on earth to the head of Jesus during His baptism. Jesus carried the sins to the cross nailing them on cross by shedding His own blood and suffering vicariously on our behalf. He rose again the third having obtained eternal redemption for those who believe in this. (Hebrews 9:12) “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."(John 3:18) It is written here the he who does not believe in Jesus is already condemned not because he has committed murder, not because he has committed adultery, just because he doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God. Put differently the sins of those who believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit are not accounted for them. In Romans 4:6-8 it is written "just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” (Paul quoted from Psalm 32:1, 2). It written here "Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin." In order words, anyone who doesn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit which Jesus brought to us, his sins will be laid on his head, they will die for their sins because the wages of sin is death. Again it is written in John "And when He(the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."(John 16:8-11) Why will the Holy Spirit convict the world of sin? It is written here "of sin, because they do not believe in Me" In the time frame of God all human sins have been forgiven. God has told us to believe what He has accomplished through Jesus. Failing to believe this is the very sin against the Holy Spirit, the unforgivable sin. Those who refused to believe in Bronze Serpent which Moses lifted up in the wilderness all died of snake bites. But those who believed by raising up the heads and looked at the Bronze Serpent were all healed without fail. What more can I say? The unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by live4dgospel(m): 7:07am On Oct 27, 2020 |
It is not overstatement to say that people go to hell simply because they didn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit while they are still alive. Fellow Christians, God send humans to hell for failing to believe in His Son's work of salvation. God Himself knew our human weakness because He remembered that we are dust "For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust."(Psalm 103:14) This verse is telling us that God knew our insufficiencies so He sent His Son Jesus Christ, had Him be baptized by John the Baptist transferring all the sin of the world from Adam's sin to the sin of the last person to born on earth to the head of Jesus during His baptism. Jesus carried the sins to the cross nailing them on cross by shedding His own blood and suffering vicariously on our behalf. He rose again the third having obtained eternal redemption for those who believe in this. (Hebrews 9:12) "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."(John 3:18) It is written here the he who does not believe in Jesus is already condemned not because he has committed murder, not because he has committed adultery, just because he doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God. Put differently the sins of those who believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit are not accounted for them. In Romans 4:6-8 it is written "just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” (Paul quoted from Psalm 32:1, 2). It written here "Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin." In order words, anyone who doesn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit which Jesus brought to us, his sins will be laid on his head, they will die for their sins because the wages of sin is death. Again it is written in John "And when He(the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."(John 16:8-11) Why will the Holy Spirit convict the world of sin? It is written here "of sin, because they do not believe in Me" In the time frame of God all human sins have been forgiven. God has told us to believe what He has accomplished through Jesus. Failing to believe this is the very sin against the Holy Spirit, the unforgivable sin. Those who refused to believe in Bronze Serpent which Moses lifted up in the wilderness all died of snake bites. But those who believed by raising up the heads and looked at the Bronze Serpent were all healed without fail. What more can I say? The unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief. |
Re: What Is The Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit, The Unforgivable Sin? by live4dgospel(m): 7:10am On Oct 27, 2020 |
Righteousness89: You are misguided! It is not overstatement to say that people go to hell simply because they didn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit while they are still alive. Fellow Christians, God send humans to hell for failing to believe in His Son's work of salvation. God Himself knew our human weakness because He remembered that we are dust "For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust."(Psalm 103:14) This verse is telling us that God knew our insufficiencies so He sent His Son Jesus Christ, had Him be baptized by John the Baptist transferring all the sin of the world from Adam's sin to the sin of the last person to born on earth to the head of Jesus during His baptism. Jesus carried the sins to the cross nailing them on cross by shedding His own blood and suffering vicariously on our behalf. He rose again the third having obtained eternal redemption for those who believe in this. (Hebrews 9:12) “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."(John 3:18) It is written here the he who does not believe in Jesus is already condemned not because he has committed murder, not because he has committed adultery, just because he doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God. Put differently the sins of those who believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit are not accounted for them. In Romans 4:6-8 it is written "just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” (Paul quoted from Psalm 32:1, 2). It written here "Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin." In order words, anyone who doesn't believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit which Jesus brought to us, his sins will be laid on his head, they will die for their sins because the wages of sin is death. Again it is written in John "And when He(the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."(John 16:8-11) Why will the Holy Spirit convict the world of sin? It is written here "of sin, because they do not believe in Me" In the time frame of God all human sins have been forgiven. God has told us to believe what He has accomplished through Jesus. Failing to believe this is the very sin against the Holy Spirit, the unforgivable sin. Those who refused to believe in Bronze Serpent which Moses lifted up in the wilderness all died of snake bites. But those who believed by raising up the heads and looked at the Bronze Serpent were all healed without fail. What more can I say? The unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief. |
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