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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 5:47pm On Nov 04, 2020
[quote author=Jasobry post=95679517][/quote]

Very simple and nice plan.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by valencia2012(m): 5:54pm On Nov 04, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 6:01pm On Nov 04, 2020
My Mason charged me 300k for plastering, window dressing, grooving and belting as shown in my drawing... Please is the price ideal?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mobileboy: 6:55pm On Nov 04, 2020
I just got a land (half plot, the owner built on the other half) and my lawyer is asking for copies of the following from the seller
1) c of o
2) survey and
3) deed of assignment submitted on the land

But the seller is kinda of sluggish or unwilling to put them down claiming the c of o number is good enough and he's afraid of fraud in the future

As a buyer do I need all the above after buying land, and if yes how can I convince the woman (she is elderly and taking advise from her son and house caretaker)

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by QSFemi(m): 7:11pm On Nov 04, 2020
Where is the attached drawing?


Jasobry:
My Mason charged me 300k for plastering, window dressing, grooving and belting as shown in my drawing... Please is the price ideal?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 7:13pm On Nov 04, 2020
n3xt:
Some few weeks back a friend almost ran into a similar issue with his architect if not for timely intervention.

The building plan has been approved and the project has been built up to lintel stage before he noticed the porch wasn’t facing the front of the land.

He was going to collect his money back from the architect and do all sorts and I ask him “Gbenga, did he send you the plan before you paid him his balance? Were revisions, corrections or adjustments made to his initial submission or not?”

I told him “You don’t know how to interpret a building plan and you want the young architect who has never visited your project to take responsibiliy for your mistake. I hope you learn from this.”

He has started spewing words “Nigerians grin

I don’t know the architect but I’m not going to stand and watch my friend rubbish an innocent guy.
grin grin


At the bolded:

Which Architect in his right mind, l mean an Architect that really finished School and Completed his training will draw a Plan with the Porch facing the back of the House, when it should be facing the Front? I am sure that even the worst Architect on Nairaland will not make that kind of professional error. How is that the MISTAKE of the Client?
Is it that he did not see the layout of the Land from the Survey paln, with the front Road properly described or he wants the Client to be looking into the Bedroom of the people on the other street, when he comes out to have a look at the environment or scenery ? grin grin

As a seasoned Professional, there are certain "BASICS" of your Profession that the Client will not be aware-of but you are expected to know, that is why you are being paid for your services. if the Archy dont know such things, then he needs to change Profession.

Imagine employing a Driver and he does not know how to change the gear when climbing a Hill, only to end-up burning the Clutch or making the vehicle roll back and crash! shocked
What would anyone here do, if the Driver's response was: Oga, you should have told me to change to a lower gear, at least you are sitting right behind me or if he says: Oga, you did not ask me whether l can Change Gears when you were interviewing me for this job. grin grin
Does that kind of Driver not deserve to pay for any damage, from his salary and does he not deserve to be sacked, before he kills himself and the vehicle owner? undecided

That a Client looked at the Plan and missed certain VERY IMPORTANT BUT BASIC PRINCIPLES OF ARCHY, does not take away liability from the Architect who drew the Plan (I am talking about basic principles of Architecture like Putting a Staircase where there is no Entrance/Exit Opening leading to the Stairs or a Bedroom Door without Door or even not putting any window in a bedroom grin , only to turn around and claim that since the Client did revisions on the Plan, he should have seen and mentioned it, therefore he is not at fault shocked

Again, imagine if someone claims to be a Builder and he takes a plan and build a House whose floor is lower than the surrounding land in a swampy, flood-prone area, then turns around to tell the Client that: You saw me building the house and should have told me to raise the floor by two boards or more, that was your mistake, not mine!
Why is he an Engineer/Builder if he does not know the BASICS that says the floor of a House/Compound must take into consideration, the level (and even anticipated increases) of the road and surroundings, otherwise the Building will become a Dam for the neighbourhood?

Every 'Professional' is trained and that is why you are better than the ordinary layman (Client), that is why you are to being paid for your Services.
The Client revising the Plan is just to ensure that his 'specific inputs' are also incorporated into the plan, not to take away from the professional input of the Professional Archy. For example he might want a secret door that leads from his bedroom into his wife's bedroom because he does not want the Children to know when Arsenal will get beaten by Man-United (apologies to Arsenal fans, no be my fault that they get beaten often! grin ) that sort of 'out-of-the-way', non-standard requirement has nothing to do with an Archy, but putting the Porch facing the backyard of the neighbour when it could have been at the front of the Flat, facing the main Road? shocked Abeg, tell me something else.

Thank you for your input Bros.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kingzsoul: 7:23pm On Nov 04, 2020
Hello house. Pls is it compulsory to use 16mm iron rod for a raft foundation for 2bedroom with a penthouse?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 7:32pm On Nov 04, 2020
rotecch77:


install pop underneath the decking.


Respects Sir!
The above does not solve the heat problem, l have experienced it before and l did exactly that, based on advice.
It was a three storey building with the top decked with concrete, instead of roof. We keep our Generators and other things at the top and also take breeze there at night but during the day time, f[b]rom about 11am till 3am in the middle of the night[/b], you cant stay inside, even with A.C at full blast in the afternoons.
I eventually have to moved out of the house because it was cooking me from the inside, so to speak. Damages everything, from Electronics, to leather Shoes. angry

After many years, on a visit to a neighbour who persisted to live there, l saw that what they did was to install Polystyrene Insulators on the Concrete deck and this reduced the heat in the house drastically.
The explanation was that the Concrete absorbs the sun's heat in daytime and gives it out from the evenings, till it finally loses that heat completely around 3am in the night.
By gumming such insulators (those white, packing foam) on the Concrete, the Sun's heat is prevented from even reaching the Concrete so that it cant absorb it.

Doing POP "inside" the rooms wont stop the Concrete from absorbing the heat and it will still pour it out in the space between Concrete Ceiling the POP but the POP Ceiling cannot withstand the pressure build-up arising from the sealed space (if completely sealed), as the temperature in-between rises, it will eventually crack and breakdown.
And if not completely sealed, the heat still escapes into the room (as in my own case!) and we were back to square one. within a few weeks, the POP was discoloured and cracking. and dont forget that the Concrete also transmits the heat to the walls because our walls get hot too.

The ultimate solution is one that prevents the rays of the sun from hitting that concrete.
Roof it or insulate it

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 7:42pm On Nov 04, 2020
QSFemi:
Where is the attached drawing?


Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 7:43pm On Nov 04, 2020
diordaves:


Listening to those audio recordings, I just weak. I don't know if to laugh or cry. But I cried a little for the client sha. I really did.

.........I SAY KEEP QUIET WHEN I TALK TO YOU!!!! I should keep shut while you talk to me after I have EMPLOYED you to deliver a service.

DON'T TALK TO ME LIKE I'M YOUR EMPLOYEE!!!!! Really? So what are you? My father and I'm your child?

I HAVE TOLD YOU MY SCHEDULE, NOW GET OFF MY PHONE, GET OFF MY PHONE!!!! But you called me na. I SAY GET OFF MY PHONE!!! Ogbele o!

As your EMPLOYER, I expect to be part of your SCHEDULE so it does not help how I feel if you have told me of your schedule previously.

I cried at the end of the clip when the client said: you have my money; anything you like you can do. Oh lord, this really touched me. And of course, he did what he liked, he arbitrarily and dictatorially deducted 50% of the mobilisation fee for his effort. Effort at talking to me as a child? So I will pay you 25k to berate me like a child? Wahala dey o.

Well, I'm with Egun on this one: I will pursue you to the ends of the world and back to get my money in FULL just to prove two points: I'm not your child and yes, you ARE my employee.

I have been on Nairaland going a very long time and I've witnessed all Contractor - Client fall out, those audio clips are the worst case study to date.



I listened to it too and l was really angry.
For someone like me who does not have patience for nonsense, l will be at the Architects door the next day, demanding for my full refund or there will be blood.
That is why l said, in my previous post that "An Archy is not paid for 'EFFORT', but must be paid for a USABLE Drawing. paying the Archy for 'effort' should be at the discretion of the Client and most Clients will do that, once the breakdown in relationship is not due to incompetence or unprofessionalism, like using abusive language on a Client.
I appreciate the Client for being a man who embraces peace, that is to his credit.

Deniss 3D, you really need to restore faith in your Character and temperament (l know you are trying to get better) by making reparation to that your former Client.
That money is too small to stake your image on, the honorable thing to do will be to refund the 25K and openly apologise to him, to show us you are what you say you are. That is my suggestion.


@HajjM, you recommended him, what is your take on this?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 7:57pm On Nov 04, 2020
rajput4real93:

Same here o my brother. When i listened to the two audios, i was speechless. Arrogance at its peak. May the lord bless Darenyx and other good professionals. When i gave him an architectural drawing a few months ago, he nearly killed me with his patience. He corrected it at least seven times despite his tight schedule and still maintained his calmness. I was even embarrassed to tell him the last time.

Now, tell me how this Client will not be willing to even pay extra, for such Archy, instead of dragging "effort" money with him?

Kudos to you Darenyx, your character goes before you.
Please Professionals, dont think what people say about you does not matter, whatever is bound (truthfully and justifiably) on Earth, is also bound in heaven, that is what the Bible and Quran says.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 8:02pm On Nov 04, 2020
Access14:
Is it possible to have an Escrow in this group to avoid too much tense of Disappointment from Clients, Contractors and Vendors ?

The Elder's in the house, Pls advice



This issue of ESCROW keeps coming up, time after time!
I agree with it but things have to be more formalised, for it to be bullet-proof.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:03pm On Nov 04, 2020
One4me:



At the bolded:

Which Architect in his right mind, l mean an Architect that really finished School and Completed his training will draw a Plan with the Porch facing the back of the House, when it should be facing the Front? I am sure that even the worst Architect on Nairaland will not make that kind of professional error. How is that the MISTAKE of the Client?

1. Is it that he did not see the layout of the Land from the Survey paln, with the front Road properly described or he wants the Client to be looking into the Bedroom of the people on the other street, when he comes out to have a look at the environment or scenery ? grin grin

As a seasoned Professional, there are certain "BASICS" of your Profession that the Client will not be aware-of but you are expected to know, that is why you are being paid for your services. if the Archy dont know such things, then he needs to change Profession.

Imagine employing a Driver and he does not know how to change the gear when climbing a Hill, only to end-up burning the Clutch or making the vehicle roll back and crash! shocked
What would anyone here do, if the Driver's response was: Oga, you should have told me to change to a lower gear, at least you are sitting right behind me or if he says: Oga, you did not ask me whether l can Change Gears when you were interviewing me for this job. grin grin
Does that kind of Driver not deserve to pay for any damage, from his salary and does he not deserve to be sacked, before he kills himself and the vehicle owner? undecided

That a Client looked at the Plan and missed certain VERY IMPORTANT BUT BASIC PRINCIPLES OF ARCHY, does not take away liability from the Architect who drew the Plan (I am talking about basic principles of Architecture like Putting a Staircase where there is no Entrance/Exit Opening leading to the Stairs or a Bedroom Door without Door or even not putting any window in a bedroom grin , only to turn around and claim that since the Client did revisions on the Plan, he should have seen and mentioned it, therefore he is not at fault shocked

Again, imagine if someone claims to be a Builder and he takes a plan and build a House whose floor is lower than the surrounding land in a swampy, flood-prone area, then turns around to tell the Client that: You saw me building the house and should have told me to raise the floor by two boards or more, that was your mistake, not mine!
Why is he an Engineer/Builder if he does not know the BASICS that says the floor of a House/Compound must take into consideration, the level (and even anticipated increases) of the road and surroundings, otherwise the Building will become a Dam for the neighbourhood?

Every 'Professional' is trained and that is why you are better than the ordinary layman (Client), that is why you are to being paid for your Services.
The Client revising the Plan is just to ensure that his 'specific inputs' are also incorporated into the plan, not to take away from the professional input of the Professional Archy. For example he might want a secret door that leads from his bedroom into his wife's bedroom because he does not want the Children to know when Arsenal will get beaten by Man-United (apologies to Arsenal fans, no be my fault that they get beaten often! grin ) that sort of 'out-of-the-way', non-standard requirement has nothing to do with an Archy, but putting the Porch facing the backyard of the neighbour when it could have been at the front of the Flat, facing the main Road? shocked Abeg, tell me something else.

Thank you for your input Bros.

There's nothing else to say Baba.

Just like we didn't wait to hear the whole story of what really transpired between the client and the architect in the reported case before judging the case, I think we're making that same mistake here once again.

There was no where in my post where I wrote or claimed "The architect placed the porch at the back of the house." It was at the front but the approach wasn't facing the roadside.

In response to the your number 1 question above, I'm the one who even corrected the surveyor. The numbering on the pillars were wrong. My friend was just busy calling the shot from his couch in UK thinking everything can be remotely managed.

For me, when there's conflict, I always focus on what went wrong and not who went wrong.

How can anyone blame the architect here? It took my visit to the project to detect that the pillar numbering was wrong and I had to call the surveyor to come and correct the error.

Come to think of it, 99.9% of most houses in naija are designed by architects without conducting a physical survey of the site.

Baba, I dey feel your vibe but I think it'll be nice if we focus more on what went wrong and not who went wrong to help many other people using this forum.

_____
I didn't listen to any audio release because that's not how they started grin their relationship. Something happened in between.


_____
Abeg, let's digress! Who's winning between Trump and Biden?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 8:09pm On Nov 04, 2020
Access14:
Is it possible to have an Escrow in this group to avoid too much tense of Disappointment from Clients, Contractors and Vendors ?

The Elder's in the house, Pls advice



I second the idea and I’m actually working on a concept that will satisfy Nigerians unique situation.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Aforxzy(f): 8:58pm On Nov 04, 2020
kingzsoul:
Hello house. Pls is it compulsory to use 16mm iron rod for a raft foundation for 2bedroom with a penthouse?

16mm should be the minimum diameter for a raft beam.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by krak101(m): 9:02pm On Nov 04, 2020
Jasobry:

I decided not to take note of the cost to avoid crying. But decided that from parapet level.

Parapet : 600k
Wood work: 600k
Stone bridge roof tiles@3300 by 385 sqms
Nice thing you have going. What's the land size?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 9:04pm On Nov 04, 2020
krak101:

Nice thing you have going. What's the land size?

Its 400sqms

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by QSFemi(m): 9:44pm On Nov 04, 2020
I mean the floor plan.


[quote author=Jasobry post=95692704][/quote]
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 9:46pm On Nov 04, 2020
One4me:



Respects Sir!
The above does not solve the heat problem, l have experienced it before and l did exactly that, based on advice.
It was a three storey building with the top decked with concrete, instead of roof. We keep our Generators and other things at the top and also take breeze there at night but during the day time, f[b]rom about 11am till 3am in the middle of the night[/b], you cant stay inside, even with A.C at full blast in the afternoons.
I eventually have to moved out of the house because it was cooking me from the inside, so to speak. Damages everything, from Electronics, to leather Shoes. angry

After many years, on a visit to a neighbour who persisted to live there, l saw that what they did was to install Polystyrene Insulators on the Concrete deck and this reduced the heat in the house drastically.
The explanation was that the Concrete absorbs the sun's heat in daytime and gives it out from the evenings, till it finally loses that heat completely around 3am in the night.
By gumming such insulators (those white, packing foam) on the Concrete, the Sun's heat is prevented from even reaching the Concrete so that it cant absorb it.

Doing POP "inside" the rooms wont stop the Concrete from absorbing the heat and it will still pour it out in the space between Concrete Ceiling the POP but the POP Ceiling cannot withstand the pressure build-up arising from the sealed space (if completely sealed), as the temperature in-between rises, it will eventually crack and breakdown.
And if not completely sealed, the heat still escapes into the room (as in my own case!) and we were back to square one. within a few weeks, the POP was discoloured and cracking. and dont forget that the Concrete also transmits the heat to the walls because our walls get hot too.

The ultimate solution is one that prevents the rays of the sun from hitting that concrete.
Roof it or insulate it

Thanks so much chief for this.
Actually I know of this polystyrene system but I do use it for damped problem although it can also protect heat.its good insulating material too.

Somethings ago I used it for a member here to stop damps/ insulator on decking ( the upper area of the building wasn’t built then.

Now let’s check some advantages and uses of pop (plaster of Paris)

Advantages of Plaster of Paris:

It is light in weight and more durable.
It has low thermal conductivity.
It is very good fire resistant and hence a very good heat insulating material.
It does not shrink while setting. Therefore, it does not develop cracks on heating or setting.
It forms a thick surface to resist normal knocks after drying.
It mixes up easily with water and is easy to spread and level.
It has good adhesion on fibrous materials.
It gives a firm surface on which the colours can settle.
It has no appreciable chemical action on paint and does not cause alkali attack.
Plaster of Paris gives a decorative interior finish. Its gypsum content provides it a lot of shine and smoothness.
It can easily be moulded into any shape.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by write2obi(m): 10:21pm On Nov 04, 2020
cjfbn:
I am still waiting for explanations on marble stucco effect.
Please assist.
Stucco and Marble effect.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 10:39pm On Nov 04, 2020
@ kidfurniture , here are links to basecoat screeding and painting pictures of some member's projects;

https://www.nairaland.com/6085593/screeding-painting-pictures-propertylanders-building

https://www.nairaland.com/6085561/screeding-painting-pictures-shagamu-building

https://www.nairaland.com/4783553/wall-screeding-ready-mix-putty

And link to a thread with links to the demonstration video of a water repellent paint and it's washing

https://www.nairaland.com/6232605/water-repellent-based-paint-demonstration#95698619

With the skyrocketing of pop materials, basecoat that happens to be the most durable screeding material is now a much cheaper alternative. Although there isn't really much difference in the total cost for labor and material when compared to the pop screeding even when prices weren't high.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Ibk2020: 10:44pm On Nov 04, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Ibk2020: 10:49pm On Nov 04, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 10:53pm On Nov 04, 2020
As regards how to prevent heat on concrete decking, I doubt pop would be able to do much to prevent heat from being transmitted. Pop itself would dry off and fail from water gradually evaporating from it.
Insulating it is one thing, waterproofing it is another. Finding a suitable material to insulate it would still not solve water leaking through the decking.
The styrofoam used to package apple could be used or the flat white type used in packaging.
I'm pretty sure if searched online, one would get similar materials being sold in commercial quantity.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Ibk2020: 10:54pm On Nov 04, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Ibk2020: 11:08pm On Nov 04, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by SurveyorGeo: 11:14pm On Nov 04, 2020
mobileboy:
I just got a land (half plot, the owner built on the other half) and my lawyer is asking for copies of the following from the seller
1) c of o
2) survey and
3) deed of assignment submitted on the land

But the seller is kinda of sluggish or unwilling to put them down claiming the c of o number is good enough and he's afraid of fraud in the future

As a buyer do I need all the above after buying land, and if yes how can I convince the woman (she is elderly and taking advise from her son and house caretaker)





Since you have bought the land already, your lawyer suppose to prepare a deed of assignments between you and seller. with c of o number you can get a replica (CTC) of the c of o at land registry, same thing with the deed. just get their numbers, with numbers, you can get replica

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by One4me: 11:40pm On Nov 04, 2020
SurveyorGeo:


Since you have bought the land already, your lawyer suppose to prepare a deed of assignments between you and seller. with c of o number you can get a replica (CTC) of the c of o at land registry, same thing with the deed. just get their numbers, with numbers, you can get replica


You are right Surveyor, Deed of assignment is between the Seller and the current Buyer, hi slawyer needs to prepare the document for the seller to sign and he can use that to apply for his own C/O
My own seller just gave a photocopy of their global C/O, which l used as attachment to my Documents used, when applying for my own C/O in my name. The Sellers document (in their name), are their document, one just needs photocopies in what is called "Historical trace of ownership" of the land, incase of future litigation.

But he needs to be careful in this case of "owner keeps half and sells half".
Owner already has document showing ownership of the full plot, by their Survey and C/O.
what stops him from coming up in future, to say l did not consent to selling the other half to the buyer?

This is where a full transfer of Deed (assignment) is required, signed by the seller and witnessed by an independent person and he should also go and register it with the Govt by attaching stamp duty to it.
The Survey should also be an excision (carving out) from the whole plot, showing the full plot and then the carved-out part, so that the same land (the sold half) dont have two different beacon numbers without reason, rendering the sold half null and void.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 12:56am On Nov 05, 2020
QSFemi:
I mean the floor plan.


Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 1:00am On Nov 05, 2020
Ibk2020:


I really wish I get the energy to collect my remaining money from Dennis3D, but I no get that energy ni ooo.

He tried, after few days, I moved ooo...

But it's still painful he held my money,
abused me and also failed to deliver

No worries. God will repay you in a different way.

Let him feel emboldened until he’ll meet a client like me that will spend N100K to collect N25K from him.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chimexdnice1(m): 1:32am On Nov 05, 2020
Hhmm... After listening to the phone conversations, I feel the pain of the client. I have engaged an architect sometime ago and after payment, didn't deliver at the set time. That conversation left me wondering what is the primary job of an architect and what is the primary job of a builder. I know here in Nigeria there is no system, that's why everybody can do any body's job. Architects of nowadays are more concerned about building than drawing, which always leave them bitting more than they can chew, therefore bringing out the unprofessional side of you.The only issue I see there in that conversation is time constraints. I will only advise the client to move on. As for achitects who are actively involved in building process from start to finish, please try to pay some attention to other clients that need your drawing services, they are equally important.

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