4/11/2020
Client: Nairalander
Consignment: Granite 30tons
Size: 3/4
Location: Awoyaya
Price: ₦230k as at time of order

yangniuyan:
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How much is a bag of cement in China?

Chekitaut:
4/11/2020
Client: Nairalander
Consignment: Granite 30tons
Size: 3/4
Location: Awoyaya
Price: ₦230k as at time of order

Sweet

Access14:
Is it possible to have an Escrow in this group to avoid too much tense of Disappointment from Clients, Contractors and Vendors ?

The Elder's in the house, Pls advice

I’m working on a project right now and the terms were clearly stated “POD.”

Benefits:

- No upfront payment frauds.

- No risk of loss of money. The customers get to check our products and see whether everything is perfect before paying for it. In the event some of the product are defective or a less standard has been delivered, the customer can always return it without paying.

- Fewer competition.

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But we (the service providers, vendors) had Advance Payment Guarantee to protect ourselves.

n3xt:


I’m working on a project right now and the terms were clearly stated “POD.”

Benefits:

- No upfront payment frauds.

- No risk of loss of money. The customers get to check our products and see whether everything is perfect before paying for it. In the event some of the product are defective or a less standard has been delivered, the customer can always return it without paying.

- Fewer competition.

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But we (the service providers, vendors) had Advance Payment Guarantee to protect ourselves.

2. Know What To Ask For

In case of service providers (especially architects), I always ask for the dwg file just in case I don’t want to continue with him/her.

Even the best of architects in here knew I always request for it.

I always spell out the format of the drawings in most design contracts and there is always an “obligation clause” to provide drawings in CAD format.

E get why

If the relationship didn’t turn sour, what if the architect fall sick, die or relocate abroad?
Will I be fighting dead body for my money?

With an editable file, you can move on to someone else for corrections or further edits. Without one, you’re stucked with him.

Know what you’re buying and what you’re getting. - Get the important stuff.

Even with Escrow, there might still be situations where you’d need a design review or modification during the construction of the project. Eg: New Additions, Reconstruction, Remodelling etc.

It’s impossible to delay the architects’ payment till after the construction has been completed unless you had such agreement.

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Even my in-house architect knew I don’t joke with dwg files of my projects.

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I did a small job for someone here few weeks back, I sent him the dwg file first before delivering the pdf and hard copies.


Pic 1 - conversation btw me and my architect who sent in dwg file instead of drawing.

Pic 2 - conversation with my client who cannot open a dwg file

Since we’ve been naming and shaming on this platform, how many problem have we solved?

Yesterday - architectgate
Weeks ago - suppliergate
Months ago - buildersgate
Years ago -

The last time I checked “The people you’re firing shots at are still your brothers and sisters - Nigerians.”

We can make a difference or make an excuse, you can’t make both.


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Peace!

Ibk2020:


After all the insults on phone calls, I message you same day on WhatsApp and ask we continue with the contract by doing the corrections and deliver.
You state it out that you can't work with me again. you refund 25k. Why won't I curse you when you failed to refund the remaining 25k?

Always do background check before you give out jobs

https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/1431

'Previous man'?? Your address lacks confidence. May be you have time, me I don't have time to be chasing you on social media to deliver a job you have been paid for. Thank God nairaland alone has more architects than I can count, some are just reading comments, making amends and laughing at you, that I can assure you.

I don't know what it is you said 'is in your body' so I won't mention you.

Chekitaut:
4/11/2020
Client: Nairalander
Consignment: Granite 30tons
Size: 3/4
Location: Awoyaya
Price: ₦230k as at time of order

How much is 20 tonnes

n3xt:
Since we’ve been naming and shaming on this platform, how many problem have we solved?

Yesterday - architectgate
Weeks ago - suppliergate
Months ago - buildersgate
Years ago -

The last time I checked “The people you’re firing shots at are still your brothers and sisters - Nigerians.”

We can make a difference or make an excuse, you can’t make both.


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Peace!

The caveat should be "don't patronise who you can't physically control and physically confront/rub mind with."

With all the back-and-forth tales of woe on this [fake] platform I wouldn't dare engage anyone. Playing safe. There are many fish in the river! I could go get someone out there and bear the full consequences should anything go amiss rather start a faceless war of words here.

Good morning fellas!

NB: Forgive me if I have misfired this morning - don't take it to heart.

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This is the schematic drawings. Post the working drawings - the drawings that show dimensions of the plan.


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[quote author=Ibk2020 post=95707426]

I did oo, but I guess a little... Lesson learnt already, my greatest fear is Dennis3D will still do same for new members later.

If not Hajj m recommended him, I won't even bother to contact him. I dropped my pride because I want the best because I hear say him sabi. So after seeing the job, I was very disappointed.
. I compliment oga Dennis3D say I love the job after he sent the first drawing ( just to encourage him) baba say since I message him that I love the drawing means the drawing is perfect.

Dennis3D is a disgrace to himself.

I have never seen any complain here on so far spyder880 and rotecch77[/quote
Urbanity and modesty are mostly innate. Same goes for pride. A discerning mind will know that Dennis3D will NEVER change, except by a divine intervention. His pride is inborn. He may latter come to here apologize to serve as a face-saving measure. And to repair his battered reputation. Pride comes before the fall of a man. A stitch in time saves nine.

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Phylife:


The caveat should be "don't patronise who you can't physically control and physically confront/rub mind with."

With all the back-and-forth tales of woe on this [fake] platform I wouldn't dare engage anyone. Playing safe. There are many fish in the river! I could go get someone out there and bear the full consequences should anything go amiss rather start a faceless war of words here.

Good morning fellas!

NB: Forgive me if I have misfired this morning - don't take it to heart.

I guess you’re not the lion of your own tribe

Some situations can be managed. It’s just a matter of one person playing the matured one.

The fact that the recommendation even came from THE MOST RESPECTED MEMBER of this forum makes it even easier to resolve the conflict. But what do we see...

It’s already becoming a tradition. Any small thing, we talk talk talk talk... 20 pages, 30 pages. Then it die down without a concrete solution to prevent a reoccurrence in the not-too-distant future.

Some few months ago or even a year, I can’t really tell because I didn’t follow the the event (wasn’t even on Nairaland then), something happened on Nairaland and one of the foremost member on this platform had to reach out to me for help that his image is being tarnished on nairaland blah blah....

I just asked him “How can I come in?” He requested for a token to manage his immediate issue and I send it to him.

Till date, I’ve not even bother to read the bullshit stories because I knew he has been here for year and shit can happen to anyone.
I offered help and he managed to resolve his problem. I wasn’t out there to castigate a man who has been managing to build his business for years just because everyone else is doing it.

That’s why I asked how many problem have we solved with naming and shaming on the platform.

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I have my evidences to show how a major problem that nearly throw this thread upside down was solved without noisemaking.
I’m a talk-and-do
I’m glad to see the guy is doing well in his business today and none of the cock-and-bull stories could stop him.
He’s still on this page and he’s doing great

Sigh! There was a country mehn!

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The good guy today will definitely become bad if we continue the way we are going.

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If we truly have professionals and experienced people on this platform, we’d build systems to prevent all these issues.

Well, I forgot we are all Nigerian.

n3xt:


I guess you’re not the lion of your own tribe

Some situations can be managed. It’s just a matter of one person playing the matured one.

The fact that the recommendation even came from THE MOST RESPECTED MEMBER of this forum makes it even easier to resolve the conflict. But what do we see...

It’s already becoming a tradition. Any small thing, we talk talk talk talk... 20 pages, 30 pages. Then it die down without a concrete solution to prevent a reoccurrence in the not-too-distant future.

Some few months ago or even a year, I can’t really tell because I didn’t follow the the event (wasn’t even on Nairaland then), something happened on Nairaland and one of the foremost member on this platform had to reach out to me for help that his image is being tarnished on nairaland blah blah....

I just asked him “How can I come in?” He requested for a token to manage his immediate issue and I send it to him.

Till date, I’ve not even bother to read the bullshit stories because I knew he has been here for year and shit can happen to anyone.
I offered help and he managed to resolve his problem. I wasn’t out there to castigate a man who has been managing to build his business for years just because everyone else is doing it.

That’s why I asked how many problem have we solved with naming and shaming on the platform.

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I have my evidences to show how a major problem that nearly throw this thread upside down was solved without noisemaking.
I’m a talk-and-do
I’m glad to see the guy is doing well in his business today and none of the cock-and-bull stories could stop him.
He’s still on this page and he’s doing great

Sigh! There was a country mehn!

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The good guy today will definitely become bad if we continue the way we are going.

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If we truly have professionals and experienced people on this platform, we’d build systems to prevent all these issues.

Well, I forgot we are all Nigerian.

And this is an unregulated public forum, expect anything.

I don't know what you meant by "not the lion of your own tribe", make me understand.

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Ibk2020:

Thanks for taking your time to listen to the conversation oo.. I am a professional in my line of business and I meet nothing less than 5 clients daily, I treat my client with much respect no matter the situation, so it's painful for someone to treat me the other way round.

Dennis3D can never refund the 25k for a reason best known to him, and I have also let go. Karma will surely catch up with him for this and he's rude attitude.

I am truly sorry you had to go through all that. Its good you have let go. Sooner or later, he will reap what he has sown. May God continue to bless your hustle.

Phylife:


And this is a unregulated public forum, expect anything.

I don't know what you meant by "not the lion of your own tribe", make me understand.

It’s nothing bro. I actually mean “maybe you’re not the vocal type or the type that try to find a needle in a haystack”

diordaves:


Listening to those audio recordings, I just weak. I don't know if to laugh or cry. But I cried a little for the client sha. I really did.

.........I SAY KEEP QUIET WHEN I TALK TO YOU!!!! I should keep shut while you talk to me after I have EMPLOYED you to deliver a service.

DON'T TALK TO ME LIKE I'M YOUR EMPLOYEE!!!!! Really? So what are you? My father and I'm your child?

I HAVE TOLD YOU MY SCHEDULE, NOW GET OFF MY PHONE, GET OFF MY PHONE!!!! But you called me na. I SAY GET OFF MY PHONE!!! Ogbele o!

As your EMPLOYER, I expect to be part of your SCHEDULE so it does not help how I feel if you have told me of your schedule previously.

I cried at the end of the clip when the client said: you have my money; anything you like you can do. Oh lord, this really touched me. And of course, he did what he liked, he arbitrarily and dictatorially deducted 50% of the mobilisation fee for his effort. Effort at talking to me as a child? So I will pay you 25k to berate me like a child? Wahala dey o.

Well, I'm with Egun on this one: I will pursue you to the ends of the world and back to get my money in FULL just to prove two points: I'm not your child and yes, you ARE my employee.

I have been on Nairaland going a very long time and I've witnessed all Contractor - Client fall out, those audio clips are the worst case study to date.

I really felt bad for the client especially when he said

"if you didn't hear from me today, you wait till tomorrow and if you still haven't heard from me, you can start to worry. I replied OK which means I am working on it".

As if the client is a mind reader. Its really sad but am glad the client is mature enough to move on and let go. That kind of decision takes strength o.

Ibk2020:


100% accurate

Baba, Dennis na your guy! I agree he blew it up but please kindly let this slide.

You’re doing a great project. Don’t let anything or anyone ruin your joy. Move on with an open mind and God will grant you speedy completion.


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One last request sir, please kindly help me take down all the negative posts you shared in here.
Believe a lot is happening on this matter in the background and your voice has been heard ‘loud and clear.’

It’s a personal request and I’d be happy if you can do this.

I've been away for about a month - come back and 1st thing I see - NEXT is preaching peace and DENNIS is being dragged..


NNA NO DEY TIRE ?

n3xt: How u doing, great guy

saydfact:
I've been away for about a month - come back and 1st thing I see - NEXT is preaching peace and DENNIS is being dragged..


NNA NO DEY TIRE ?

n3xt: How u doing, great guy

I was just saying the fact ni.

Welcome bro! We will definitely get it right one day in this country.

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There are furniture makers in the same compound with me and several of them have been accused severally of collecting money and never delivered.
One relocated to another place to avoid people coming to look for him, some are not regular and one of them committed suicide last year due to too much debt and shame.
Perhaps the issue of the escrow would be of great help in safeguarding both client and contractor but the fact is online or offline, whoever wants to swindle would do so and continue his business elsewhere if they so wish and there is the advantage that there would be no way for others to be alerted.
Some are quick to come here to remind everyone why the forum is not reliable and they not having intention of giving patronage to the professionals but are quick to come and seek solution and find it reliable from the forum with unreliable people.
I'm sure hajj would have done some background consultations about the denis issue. People do behind the scene moves here without coming to announce.
We all have our shortcomings and should strive to make conscious efforts to curtail them when pointed out to us. I noticed deniss always emphasis on respect and feels easily slighted.
The person giving you job is your oga for the duration of the job and deserves same respect even after the job to show appreciation. There's also the added benefit of more referrals.
Sir doesn't take anything from me. Expecting it is inconsequential also as I can't use it to pay bills.

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I'm listening to these conversation and . . . . . . . . . . . .

michlins:
maximum of 12ft for a bungalow. Who told you 18 to 25ft

If you get the measurements yourself,climb the roof of the building and measure to the ground floor that should give you about 12 to 13ft maximum. Now consider that there will be base foundation upon which the channel will rest upon which will be at least 16" so do the maths yourself

As a follow up to our conversation..... My Shower height is abt 9ft and the Iron guy said 3ft of the water stand will go beneath the ground level...thats abt 12ft....To get good pressure I am considering going for 20 ft, which wll give me ca. 8ft above my shower.

Do you think this will be enough to get good water pressure?

I will also aprecise the input of others who ve done over head water tank.

Thank you very much in advance.

C.