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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 7:26pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter: You are too optimistic, intact blinkered by optimism. Trump controls the Republican party machinery currently and either him or his appointee will control it in 4 years. To show how much the GOP is in hock to the loonies, Romney is currently the only elected GOP member on National level to congratulate Biden and ask Trump to step down. The rest are too scared of what Trumpets will do to them for going off message. The democrats have also come close to losing control of the party to the left, but each time manage to produce a centrist candidate. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 7:26pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Roland17: Going by your line of reasoning, Trump equally gathered the most of votes in recent history. In fact that credit actually goes to Trump and that’s because by the time we discount all the fake, illegal, irregular and dead people’s ballot counted for Biden, it’s Trump who’d come tops - and as such, the first US president to have such huge number of votes. Now, let’s talk about moderates. Recall that last two weeks, France have had to grapple with l Islamic extremists which they (in their quest for being moderate and tolerant of people of other races and probably religion) started taking into their country in their hundreds and thousands. Denmark, Norway, England, Germany and all of Europe have taken in so many people, it is projected that the European demographics will change in the next 30 to 40 years. Now, back to the French issue. Today, all of France is at a loss as to how to handle the quagmire they find themselves. Beheading, cultural change, acceptance and accommodation of people of all shades have created a problem they can’t handle. Now, I’m not against people doing what they want, mine take is that it should be done within the ambit of the law. But this is it happening across the world. People like Biden, Harris, Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Comey and others who are criminals are exploiting the weakness in the systems to further some globalist agendas that I personally think is harmful to the world’s stability. There’s something sinister and evil that Trump was working feverishly to keep in check. Never mind, we shall know who the right US President is in the next coming weeks. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by skentelelady(f): 7:28pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
MaziShalaye: TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!. Please change you level of reasoning because it is too shallow 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Roland17(m): 7:29pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
ono: k 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 7:30pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
MaziShalaye:oh my poor dear ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by salford: 7:31pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
I see some people are still hurting badly on this thread. One is threatening as if he would send IPOBians to stop Biden from resuming at the white house come January. Deluded and bitter losers ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SenecaTheYonger: 7:31pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: Usually you would have replied with a counter point if you had one, but since no one in the comment section had anything contrary to say, you also shutdown and resort to insult. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by chic2pimp(m): 7:41pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:47pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Ibime: Most politicians cannot oppose Trump openly for fear that they will lose. Just like Democrats cannot condemn antifa and the far left. They need them for votes. Its the same reason Nigerian politicians in every region cannot openly condemn OPC, Miyetti allah, IPOB or MEND regardless of how crazy and illogical they are Romney can only do that because it doesnt affect him in votes, he is in Utah where his mormon roots will work for him, also he is not due for reelection till 2024 after Trump would have gone. Trump controls the party because the president whoever he is becomes the defacto leader of the party who control a sizable followership just like Biden had to embrace the Sanders people. Once Trump leaves the owners of the party will take over their party from the ruins. They have to queue behind Trump for now because they need his crazies to regain the Senate in runoff elections in January. Assuming Trump was blown away and lost bigly the real Republicans will come out. Trumps people cut across both parties. And with the nature of democracy you need every vote All the FBI guys indicting him for Russia are Republicans, Georgia governor and SOS are Republicans After Biden inauguration I believe the party owners will come out again See the tweets from Bush, Jeb Romney and many prominent Republicans In 2016, 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump and about 20% sat out the general elections 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 7:51pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:@ bolded, funny you should say that seeing as non of the so called socialist democrats or justice democrats as they like to be called lost their seats instead system democrats or corporate beholden democrats are the ones loosing their seats! The ones voters can't differentiate from republicans in terms of policies and politics while every justice democrat that successfully scales through the stumbling blocks set by the democratic party in their primaries wins their elections. It is funny you should equate democrats who want politicians to be actually accountable to their voters instead of lobbyists and special interests groups to the Republican tea party and their previously fringe but now mainstream lunatics like trump. I think you are being economical with the truth here! The democrats have this opportunity to embrace the current young generation who will make up the majority of the voting populace in a decade or two and their liberal worldview now or lose that franchise to another party that will embrace them! Paying attention to Republican talking heads is allowing the opposition frame your position for you and that is just plain stupid 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 7:52pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Let's hope what you wrote up here is true for a better world, but I feel the voters determine the posture of the politicians and too many GOP voters are loonies at present. I still remember how Tea Party conducted a sweep of all moderates in the party some years ago in subnational elections. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 7:57pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
ono:another arkham asylum candidate! ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by salford: 7:59pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:A case of cutting off the nose to spite the face. The last 4 years must have been tough for them |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ZooOga: 8:00pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:01pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
SenecaTheYonger:how is my positing that anybody taking that to heart is grasping at straws an insult mbok? 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 8:02pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: The left wing democrats (the squad people) can only win in inner cities. They can't win in middle America, and if the Democratic party goes their way, they will never win on National level. Pelosi has done a good job managing them not to become the face of the party. It is never a good idea for a party to go too extreme if they want to succeed. Any middle class person with assets to protect will always vote against a hard jerk to the left. Na students and poor people dey vote extreme left for the most part. I've been supporting Conservatives in UK for most of the last decade due to Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Milliband going too far left in the Labour Party, while the Conservatives presented moderate options in Cameron and Theresa May. From 2000-2010 I was a natural Labour supporter cos their candidates (Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) were moderates. If you give the average centre-left citizen a choice between far-left and centre-right, he will go centre-right. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:02pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: Its easy for a Democrat politician to embrace extreme left ideas when contesting in the big cities of Massachusetts California and new York, vs those from Virginia, North Carolina Ohio, Pennsylvania Michigan and purple middle America states. Biden a Democrat you can barely differentiate from a Republican just won with the highest total votes in history All those young people will grow up and turn. All these old conservatives you see today were more liberal than these in their youths in the 60s and 70s. They were the anti war generation in Vietnam, they were the free drinking, free drugs free sex generation of Woodstock, they all grew up and saw that the world looks different when you have responsibilities and things you value beyond your next meal There is a reason why Biden won and not Sanders. Its because the real Americans dont want extremists 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by salford: 8:07pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:12pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
salford: The Sanders supporters would have done the same this year again but Biden unlike Hillary embraced them. Even if he doesnt support their ideology. If the Sanders people had revolted all these 20k margin Biden is winning with just needs 15k people to vote Trump and you have another 4yrs of Trump 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:15pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:he won all these votes as a matter of fact and that is not to be disputed! A majority of these votes weren't a vote for a centrist democrats, they were votes against trump and that is also a fact! If the liberal wing of the democratic party had sat this election out like they did in 2016 bidden would have lost and that is also a fact! It is annoying how the democratic party take its large and growing liberal wing for granted expecting them to toe the line when called upon and shut up when shoved outside then attempt to guilt trip them when they sit out in protest! If nothing else, the liberal wing is the most loyal wing of the democratic party who take matters of policy very seriously! Now that bidden has won people like you among other Republican talking heads want to overlook their immense contribution to this victory, republicans will never allow democrats to have a stake in their government when in power but frame democrats discourse in a way that will force democrats to give them a stake in a democrats government! If nobody else is insightful enough to point that out some still are, republicans never build bridges but expect democrats to all the time and that is why people like Mitch McConnell can be as obstructionist and recalcitrant as he is. He is a typical republicans Republican and to someone like me far worse and more dangerous than trump 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by salford: 8:21pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:That is some serious BS moves. Imagine people that are romancing far left willing to romance those on the far right. It's like Antifas on the far left voting for Nazi scums on the far right. Hence my statement of cutting off the nose to spite the face. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:21pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: How do republicans force Democrats to give them a stake? Is any republican asking for a position in Biden govt? Which bridge did Democrats build |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:26pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
salford: In the democratic primary, Trump was openly supporting Sanders Sanders is an anarchist like Trump, both never contributed to the partys growth, Truml did not identify with republicans for most of his life and Sanders has claimed to be an independent for most of his senate career Both wanted to use their populist ways to usurp the party but the Democratic party establishment stood against Sanders in 2016 and 2020 while the republicans woke up to Trump too late 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:34pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Ibime:and yet centrist and conservative democratic candidates are losing in the countryside :to and this is because they want to be as conservative as the republicans by foolishly allowing republicans to frame the conversations and allow themselves get trapped in Republican framed talking points which in many cases fall flat on their faces when subjected to simple logical tests. If i were to contest in these places I will harp on my own arguments as a social democrat over and over again and again completely ignoring every damned Republican smear and even do a Bernie sanders taking people over the border into Canada to experience a different worldview in things like Medicare and social security and when conservatives throw up Venezuela, Cuba and what not as socialist failures I will invite politicians from Denmark, Sweden, Finland and other socialist democracies to my town halls and my opponent's to engage my opponent and the electorate and eventually the discourse will be framed in my terms and not theirs. If poor education is the Achilles heel conservatives are exploiting then I will make it my mission to educate my electorate that if they look beyond conservative rhetorics this and that are the adverse effects of their policies on them. My point is simple, you never let republicans frame the conversation, never! Many mainstream policies today were once considered too radical and too liberal! Heck! Abe Lincoln was considered too liberal in his time! Even J. F. Kennedy was considered too liberal! Every time American society has moved forward with the times, it was because of liberal pressure so when you are condemning the liberal left remember what they have done for America 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 8:34pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: Liberal wing of the Democratic party is mostly concentrated in areas where Democrats would win without their vote (New York, California etc). There is more volume of vote to be won in the swing states by going moderate than far-left can provide in those states. Whether the far-left is growing or not is inconsequential if it cannot garner enough electoral votes. There are problems going forward for the Dems as I cannot see any centrist rising star which is why they had to resurrect Biden from retirement. All your rising stars are not moderate enough and therefore unelectable. This is an important fight for you guys to take seriously because the Republicans can win with fringe candidates like Trump while the democrats cannot. Therefore you guys just have to weigh the lesser of two evils and go with the centrists in your party. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ObaIgwe1: 8:34pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Ibime: I agree with the core of this your post Ibime. This was my argument with my cousin in the US yesterday. The GOP is not changing anytime soon. It will remains Trump's Republican for a long time. Even this election despite Trump losing still embolden that argument. Over furkcing 70m people still voted for this guy! This is why many Republican have refused to grant interview or come out to condemn Trump, even Romney and Bush carefully picked their words when expressing their opinions. They are afraid of the volume of Trump's base and the base will dominate the GOP for a long time to come. That said I also agree with Dayo about the reservation of Americans towards some of these far left agenda, and Biden will be careful going forward how he moderates these far left agenda. I don't think Americans are ready for the New Green Deal as proposed by Sanders, or ending coal and oil, nor are they fully ready for free education for all or free Healthcare for all... While these are popular in many European countries...I don't think America is ready now...Maybe when some of the present old generation pass....cos many of the younger generation seems to welcome these agenda... But in all Trumpsm is the concept to fear. Imagine America becoming leader of conspiracy theories rather than leader of facts based in evidence and science, also with growing fascism and systemic racism.... America wouldn't have been this great without their achievement in the field of science technology, and America will lost his place as a land of the free with Trumpsm concept. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:41pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
Ibime:in these swing states, the majority of democratic votes come from the big cities which by relative comparison are by and large liberal so yes liberal candidates can gather votes in the Midwest too whether it will be enough I'm not so sure as of now, but if we take reeducation and reorientation of the electorate very seriously by pointing the facts beyond the Republican rhetorics out even the growing younger population in the rust belt will break of ranks from their traditional Republican supporting elders and grow the democratic base 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:43pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Mitch McConnell saying he will stifle biddens government unless he appoints centrist secretaries is what? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:45pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: How is that different from Pelosi stifling Trumps govt? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 8:48pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
raumdeuter:pelosi looking out for the electorate's interests is now being equated by you to McConnell looking out for the Republican party's and their corporate donors interests? Wow! ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 8:50pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: Well it's a progression and America is not ready for it at this stage. Let some older people pass on first and the new generation may be open to these ideas in 30-40 years like Obalgwe1 stated. You can't rush anything in life. These ideas were illegal just 60 years ago under McCarthyism so you have to give it time. Europe was able to implement these ideas immediately after the 2nd World war because many people had lost family and assets and that changed their orientation about what they expect from the State. America did not go through that experience so it would require the passing of time, more international travel and exposure to open them up to such ideas. Right now the wolf at the door is Fascism/Trumpism and that's what the far left needs to help avoid by producing a centrist candidate from their party, otherwise the country will swing even further away from their goal 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 8:53pm On Nov 08, 2020 |
BraniacX: That's wrong. Election is all about margins and when you are winning swing states by 20k votes, believe me there are more than 250k votes up for grabs in these swing states by going centrist. |
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