raumdeuter:


I don't see it as that gloomy

There is a rise of extremism on both sides, far right and far left

Sanders was going to be nominee for the Democrats if not for joint efforts to frustrate his effort which some have argued is somehow anti democratic which is what the Republicans failed to control in 2016 they believed the normal agelong politicking will weed out Trump and didn't put in a "fix" to coalesce behind Jeb or Kasich

Just like the far left is believing getting rid of billionaires, getting rid of law enforcement, free for all bathrooms etc that are recipe for chaos. A liberal scientist recently suggested eating human flesh to curb climate change just like some batshit crazies believe that Clinton eats children

I have lived in Texas and lived in Massachusetts among other states and I will tell you I have experienced both sides. How the many laws enacted and stifle growth that is why many people are fleeing liberal states to the red states

There are still normal people on both sides. Take away political needs, a Biden has more in common with Bush and Romney than he has with AOC or Sanders

Unless you are saying all those voice of reasons like Biden Bush Powell Clinton Romney etc will suddenly go extinct. There will always be crazy people on both sides, we only have to not give them the center stage. That is why anytime Trump tries to tie Biden to Sanders he quickly said "I am not Sanders and that is why I defeated him"

Trump only brought out the right wing crazies and they are going back to where they belong. Hopefully the crazies on the left too go away

A Virginia congresswoman in a conference call last Thursday told the Democrats to stop all these socialist nonsense and that was why they are losing seats

I believe moderate politics will still stay after we all realize extremists are bad for us all

You are too optimistic, intact blinkered by optimism. Trump controls the Republican party machinery currently and either him or his appointee will control it in 4 years. To show how much the GOP is in hock to the loonies, Romney is currently the only elected GOP member on National level to congratulate Biden and ask Trump to step down. The rest are too scared of what Trumpets will do to them for going off message.

The democrats have also come close to losing control of the party to the left, but each time manage to produce a centrist candidate.

Roland17:


I have to agree with Dayo on the embolden. I have said this before, the reason Biden was able to not only win nut gather the most votes in the history of the US is the fact that he was a moderate. Sanders would have been a disaster for the Democrats and there are extreme liberals in the Democratic party and that is why I hold N. Pelosi in high regard because she balances both sides within the party without losing the sellability of the party.

With that being said, the Republican party needs to stop construing the involvement of the Government in Healthcare through a public option to mean Socialism because that is so untrue and the people are buying that argument and likening it to extreme Socialist situations.

Going by your line of reasoning, Trump equally gathered the most of votes in recent history. In fact that credit actually goes to Trump and that’s because by the time we discount all the fake, illegal, irregular and dead people’s ballot counted for Biden, it’s Trump who’d come tops - and as such, the first US president to have such huge number of votes.

Now, let’s talk about moderates.

Recall that last two weeks, France have had to grapple with l Islamic extremists which they (in their quest for being moderate and tolerant of people of other races and probably religion) started taking into their country in their hundreds and thousands.
Denmark, Norway, England, Germany and all of Europe have taken in so many people, it is projected that the European demographics will change in the next 30 to 40 years.

Now, back to the French issue. Today, all of France is at a loss as to how to handle the quagmire they find themselves. Beheading, cultural change, acceptance and accommodation of people of all shades have created a problem they can’t handle.

Now, I’m not against people doing what they want, mine take is that it should be done within the ambit of the law. But this is it happening across the world.

People like Biden, Harris, Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Comey and others who are criminals are exploiting the weakness in the systems to further some globalist agendas that I personally think is harmful to the world’s stability. There’s something sinister and evil that Trump was working feverishly to keep in check.

Never mind, we shall know who the right US President is in the next coming weeks.

MaziShalaye:

You're still a novice Mr Man you need to remove your head from your rectum. It is clear. Wipe the shit from your eyes.
T- is the 20th alphabet (2020 was when they unleashed it).. I'm going somewhere.............

R- is the 18th alphabet (5g was First launched in 2018)

U- is the 21st alphabet (Jan 21st 2020, The US recorded it's first case if Coronavirus)

M- is the 13th alphabet (the word Barack has 6 letters innit... 13+6=19, Covid19

P- the 16th alphabet (Trump won 2016 and did 4years, add it that's 2020 when he lost re-election because of Covid19)

Young man with all these, and you still don't believe corona was a bioweapon aimed at Donatus re-election, then I don't know what to say to you honestly.

TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!. Please change you level of reasoning because it is too shallow

ono:


Going by your line of reasoning, Trump equally gathered the most of votes in recent history. In fact that credit actually goes to Trump and that’s because by the time we discount all the fake, illegal, irregular and dead people’s ballot counted for Biden, it’s Trump who’d come tops - and as such, the first US president to have such huge number of votes.

Now, let’s talk about moderates.

Recall that last two weeks, France have had to grapple with l Islamic extremists which they (in their quest for being moderate and tolerant of people of other races and probably religion) started taking into their country in their hundreds and thousands.
Denmark, Norway, England, Germany and all of Europe have taken in so many people, it is projected that the European demographics will change in the next 30 to 40 years.

Now, back to the French issue. Today, all of France is at a loss as to how to handle the quagmire they find themselves. Beheading, cultural change, acceptance and accommodation of people of all shades have created a problem they can’t handle.

Now, I’m not against people doing what they want, mine take is that it should be done within the ambit of the law. But this is it happening across the world.

People like Biden, Harris, Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Comey and others who are criminals are exploiting the weakness in the systems to further some globalist agendas that I personally think is harmful to the world’s stability. There’s something sinister and evil that Trump was working feverishly to keep in check.

Never mind, we shall know who the right US President is in the next coming weeks.

k

MaziShalaye:

You're still a novice Mr Man you need to remove your head from your rectum. It is clear. Wipe the shit from your eyes.
T- is the 20th alphabet (2020 was when they unleashed it).. I'm going somewhere.............

R- is the 18th alphabet (5g was First launched in 2018)

U- is the 21st alphabet (Jan 21st 2020, The US recorded it's first case if Coronavirus)

M- is the 13th alphabet (the word Barack has 6 letters innit... 13+6=19, Covid19

P- the 16th alphabet (Trump won 2016 and did 4years, add it that's 2020 when he lost re-election because of Covid19)

Young man with all these, and you still don't believe corona was a bioweapon aimed at Donatus re-election, then I don't know what to say to you honestly.

oh my poor dear come here, you need a hug #whispers **somebody call social services let's lock him up before he goes full nuts** sorry, I meant let's lock up bidden

I see some people are still hurting badly on this thread. One is threatening as if he would send IPOBians to stop Biden from resuming at the white house come January. Deluded and bitter losers

BraniacX:
by the people daft enough to take his interpretations as gospel

Usually you would have replied with a counter point if you had one, but since no one in the comment section had anything contrary to say, you also shutdown and resort to insult.

Roland17:


k

Ibime:



You are too optimistic, intact blinkered by optimism. Trump controls the Republican party machinery currently and either him or his appointee will control it in 4 years. To show how much the GOP is in hock to the loonies, Romney is currently the only elected GOP member on National level to congratulate Biden and ask Trump to step down. The rest are too scared of what Trumpets will do to them for going off message.

The democrats have also come close to losing control of the party to the left, but each time manage to produce a centrist candidate.

Most politicians cannot oppose Trump openly for fear that they will lose. Just like Democrats cannot condemn antifa and the far left. They need them for votes. Its the same reason Nigerian politicians in every region cannot openly condemn OPC, Miyetti allah, IPOB or MEND regardless of how crazy and illogical they are
Romney can only do that because it doesnt affect him in votes, he is in Utah where his mormon roots will work for him, also he is not due for reelection till 2024 after Trump would have gone.

Trump controls the party because the president whoever he is becomes the defacto leader of the party who control a sizable followership just like Biden had to embrace the Sanders people. Once Trump leaves the owners of the party will take over their party from the ruins. They have to queue behind Trump for now because they need his crazies to regain the Senate in runoff elections in January. Assuming Trump was blown away and lost bigly the real Republicans will come out. Trumps people cut across both parties. And with the nature of democracy you need every vote

All the FBI guys indicting him for Russia are Republicans, Georgia governor and SOS are Republicans

After Biden inauguration I believe the party owners will come out again

See the tweets from Bush, Jeb Romney and many prominent Republicans
In 2016, 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump and about 20% sat out the general elections

raumdeuter:


I don't see it as that gloomy

There is a rise of extremism on both sides, far right and far left

Sanders was going to be nominee for the Democrats if not for joint efforts to frustrate his effort which some have argued is somehow anti democratic which is what the Republicans failed to control in 2016 they believed the normal agelong politicking will weed out Trump and didn't put in a "fix" to coalesce behind Jeb or Kasich

Just like the far left is believing getting rid of billionaires, getting rid of law enforcement, free for all bathrooms etc that are recipe for chaos. A liberal scientist recently suggested eating human flesh to curb climate change just like some batshit crazies believe that Clinton eats children

I have lived in Texas and lived in Massachusetts among other states and I will tell you I have experienced both sides. How the many laws enacted and stifle growth that is why many people are fleeing liberal states to the red states

There are still normal people on both sides. Take away political needs, a Biden has more in common with Bush and Romney than he has with AOC or Sanders

Unless you are saying all those voice of reasons like Biden Bush Powell Clinton Romney etc will suddenly go extinct. There will always be crazy people on both sides, we only have to not give them the center stage. That is why anytime Trump tries to tie Biden to Sanders he quickly said "I am not Sanders and that is why I defeated him"

Trump only brought out the right wing crazies and they are going back to where they belong. Hopefully the crazies on the left too go away

A Virginia congresswoman in a conference call last Thursday told the Democrats to stop all these socialist nonsense and that was why they are losing seats

I believe moderate politics will still stay after we all realize extremists are bad for us all

@ bolded, funny you should say that seeing as non of the so called socialist democrats or justice democrats as they like to be called lost their seats instead system democrats or corporate beholden democrats are the ones loosing their seats! The ones voters can't differentiate from republicans in terms of policies and politics while every justice democrat that successfully scales through the stumbling blocks set by the democratic party in their primaries wins their elections. It is funny you should equate democrats who want politicians to be actually accountable to their voters instead of lobbyists and special interests groups to the Republican tea party and their previously fringe but now mainstream lunatics like trump. I think you are being economical with the truth here! The democrats have this opportunity to embrace the current young generation who will make up the majority of the voting populace in a decade or two and their liberal worldview now or lose that franchise to another party that will embrace them! Paying attention to Republican talking heads is allowing the opposition frame your position for you and that is just plain stupid

raumdeuter:


Most politicians cannot oppose Trump openly for fear that they will lose. Just like Democrats cannot condemn antifa and the far left. They need them for votes. Its the same reason Nigerian politicians in every region cannot openly condemn OPC, Miyetti allah, IPOB or MEND regardless of how crazy and illogical they are
Romney can only do that because it doesnt affect him in votes, he is in Utah where his mormon roots will work for him, also he is not due for reelection till 2024 after Trump would have gone.

Trump controls the party because the president whoever he is becomes the defacto leader of the party who control a sizable followership just like Biden had to embrace the Sanders people. Once Trump leaves the owners of the party will take over their party from the ruins. They have to queue behind Trump for now because they need his crazies to regain the Senate in runoff elections in January. Assuming Trump was blown away and lost bigly the real Republicans will come out. Trumps people cut across both parties. And with the nature of democracy you need every vote

All the FBI guys indicting him for Russia are Republicans, Georgia governor and SOS are Republicans

After Biden inauguration I believe the party owners will come out again

See the tweets from Bush, Jeb Romney and many prominent Republicans
In 2016, 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump and about 20% sat out the general elections

Let's hope what you wrote up here is true for a better world, but I feel the voters determine the posture of the politicians and too many GOP voters are loonies at present. I still remember how Tea Party conducted a sweep of all moderates in the party some years ago in subnational elections.

ono:
All crazy bots working feverishly to paint their criminal Joe Biden a good guy. Tough luck.

Just like Stacy Abram 700,000 votes were confiscated, banned and thrown into trash cans that finally decided her fate in last mid term elections, so shall it be with this sleepy Joe Biden.

And again, just like Hillary, Obama, Comey and Brennan were unmasked as the hands behind the Russian Collusion story, written to tarnish the image of Trump, so shall all the enemies of the US be unmasked in this election.

They’ve played into the trap set for them by the GOP.

One would have thought that they would have learnt their lessons with the several unmasking of their shenanigans over the last 4 years. They didn’t stop. It’s only a fly that would go into the wastepit that will follow the shit all the way.

Biden and Harris, come and take the White House, if you can!

another arkham asylum candidate! don't worry, you will feel better eventually just give it time and don't hurt yourself

raumdeuter:


In 2016, 12% of Sanders supporters voted Trump and about 20% sat out the general elections

A case of cutting off the nose to spite the face. The last 4 years must have been tough for them

ZooOga:


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SenecaTheYonger:


Usually you would have replied with a counter point if you had one, but since no one in the comment section had anything contrary to say, you also shutdown and resort to insult.

how is my positing that anybody taking that to heart is grasping at straws an insult mbok?

BraniacX:

@ bolded, funny you should say that seeing as non of the so called socialist democrats or justice democrats as they like to be called lost their seats instead system democrats or corporate beholden democrats are the ones loosing their seats!

The left wing democrats (the squad people) can only win in inner cities. They can't win in middle America, and if the Democratic party goes their way, they will never win on National level. Pelosi has done a good job managing them not to become the face of the party. It is never a good idea for a party to go too extreme if they want to succeed. Any middle class person with assets to protect will always vote against a hard jerk to the left. Na students and poor people dey vote extreme left for the most part. I've been supporting Conservatives in UK for most of the last decade due to Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Milliband going too far left in the Labour Party, while the Conservatives presented moderate options in Cameron and Theresa May. From 2000-2010 I was a natural Labour supporter cos their candidates (Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) were moderates. If you give the average centre-left citizen a choice between far-left and centre-right, he will go centre-right.

BraniacX:

@ bolded, funny you should say that seeing as non of the so called socialist democrats or justice democrats as they like to be called lost their seats instead system democrats or corporate beholden democrats are the ones loosing their seats! The ones voters can't differentiate from republicans in terms of policies and politics while every justice democrat that successfully scales through the stumbling blocks set by the democratic party in their primaries wins their elections. It is funny you should equate democrats who want politicians to be actually accountable to their voters instead of lobbyists and special interests groups to the Republican tea party and their previously fringe but now mainstream lunatics like trump. I think you are being economical with the truth here! The democrats have this opportunity to embrace the current young generation who will make up the majority of the voting populace in a decade or two and their liberal worldview now or lose that franchise to another party that will embrace them! Paying attention to Republican talking heads is allowing the opposition frame your position for you and that is just plain stupid

Its easy for a Democrat politician to embrace extreme left ideas when contesting in the big cities of Massachusetts California and new York, vs those from Virginia, North Carolina Ohio, Pennsylvania Michigan and purple middle America states.

Biden a Democrat you can barely differentiate from a Republican just won with the highest total votes in history

All those young people will grow up and turn. All these old conservatives you see today were more liberal than these in their youths in the 60s and 70s. They were the anti war generation in Vietnam, they were the free drinking, free drugs free sex generation of Woodstock, they all grew up and saw that the world looks different when you have responsibilities and things you value beyond your next meal

There is a reason why Biden won and not Sanders. Its because the real Americans dont want extremists

at the Venn diagram

salford:

A case of cutting off the nose to spite the face. The last 4 years must have been tough for them

The Sanders supporters would have done the same this year again but Biden unlike Hillary embraced them. Even if he doesnt support their ideology. If the Sanders people had revolted all these 20k margin Biden is winning with just needs 15k people to vote Trump and you have another 4yrs of Trump

raumdeuter:


Its easy for a Democrat politician to embrace extreme left ideas when contesting in Massachusetts California and new York, vs those from Virginia, North Carolina and purple middle America states.

Biden a Democrat you can barely differentiate from a Republican just won with the highest total votes in history

All those young people will grow up and turn. All these old conservatives you see today were more liberal than these in their youths in the 60s and 70s. They were the anti war generation in Vietnam, they were the free drinking, free drugs free sex generation of Woodstock, they all grew up and saw that the world looks different when you have responsibilities

There is a reason why Biden won and not Sanders. Its because the real Americans dont want extremists

he won all these votes as a matter of fact and that is not to be disputed! A majority of these votes weren't a vote for a centrist democrats, they were votes against trump and that is also a fact! If the liberal wing of the democratic party had sat this election out like they did in 2016 bidden would have lost and that is also a fact! It is annoying how the democratic party take its large and growing liberal wing for granted expecting them to toe the line when called upon and shut up when shoved outside then attempt to guilt trip them when they sit out in protest! If nothing else, the liberal wing is the most loyal wing of the democratic party who take matters of policy very seriously! Now that bidden has won people like you among other Republican talking heads want to overlook their immense contribution to this victory, republicans will never allow democrats to have a stake in their government when in power but frame democrats discourse in a way that will force democrats to give them a stake in a democrats government! If nobody else is insightful enough to point that out some still are, republicans never build bridges but expect democrats to all the time and that is why people like Mitch McConnell can be as obstructionist and recalcitrant as he is. He is a typical republicans Republican and to someone like me far worse and more dangerous than trump

raumdeuter:


The Sanders supporters would have done the same this year again but Biden unlike Hillary embraced them. Even if he doesnt support their ideology. If the Sanders people had revolted all these 20k margin Biden is winning with just needs 15k people to vote Trump and you have another 4yrs of Trump

That is some serious BS moves. Imagine people that are romancing far left willing to romance those on the far right. It's like Antifas on the far left voting for Nazi scums on the far right. Hence my statement of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

BraniacX:
he won all these votes as a matter of fact and that is not to be disputed! A majority of these votes weren't a vote for a centrist democrats, they were votes against trump and that is also a fact! If the liberal wing of the democratic party had sat this election out like they did in 2016 bidden would have lost and that is also a fact! It is annoying how the democratic party take its large and growing liberal wing for granted expecting them to toe the line when called upon and shut up when shoved outside then attempt to guilt trip them when they sit out in protest! If nothing else, the liberal wing is the most loyal wing of the democratic party who take matters of policy very seriously! Now that bidden has won people like you among other Republican talking heads want to overlook their immense contribution to this victory, republicans will never allow democrats to have a stake in their government when in power but frame democrats discourse in a way that will force democrats to give them a stake in a democrats government! If nobody else is insightful enough to point that out some still are, republicans never build bridges but expect democrats to all the time and that is why people like Mitch McConnell can be as obstructionist and recalcitrant as he is. He is a typical republicans Republican and to someone like me far worse and more dangerous than trump

How do republicans force Democrats to give them a stake? Is any republican asking for a position in Biden govt?

Which bridge did Democrats build

salford:

That is some serious BS moves. Imagine people that are romancing far left willing to romance those on the far right. It's like Antifas on the far left voting for Nazi scums on the far right. Hence my statement of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

In the democratic primary, Trump was openly supporting Sanders

Sanders is an anarchist like Trump, both never contributed to the partys growth, Truml did not identify with republicans for most of his life and Sanders has claimed to be an independent for most of his senate career

Both wanted to use their populist ways to usurp the party but the Democratic party establishment stood against Sanders in 2016 and 2020 while the republicans woke up to Trump too late

Ibime:


The left wing democrats (the squad people) can only win in inner cities. They can't win in middle America, and if the Democratic party goes their way, they will never win on National level. Pelosi has done a good job managing them not to become the face of the party. It is never a good idea for a party to go too extreme if they want to succeed. Any middle class person with assets to protect will always vote against a hard jerk to the left. Na students and poor people dey vote extreme left for the most part. I've been supporting Conservatives in UK for most of the last decade due to Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Milliband going too far left in the Labour Party, while the Conservatives presented moderate options in Cameron and Theresa May. From 2000-2010 I was a natural Labour supporter cos their candidates (Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) were moderates. If you give the average centre-left citizen a choice between far-left and centre-right, he will go centre-right.

and yet centrist and conservative democratic candidates are losing in the countryside :to and this is because they want to be as conservative as the republicans by foolishly allowing republicans to frame the conversations and allow themselves get trapped in Republican framed talking points which in many cases fall flat on their faces when subjected to simple logical tests. If i were to contest in these places I will harp on my own arguments as a social democrat over and over again and again completely ignoring every damned Republican smear and even do a Bernie sanders taking people over the border into Canada to experience a different worldview in things like Medicare and social security and when conservatives throw up Venezuela, Cuba and what not as socialist failures I will invite politicians from Denmark, Sweden, Finland and other socialist democracies to my town halls and my opponent's to engage my opponent and the electorate and eventually the discourse will be framed in my terms and not theirs. If poor education is the Achilles heel conservatives are exploiting then I will make it my mission to educate my electorate that if they look beyond conservative rhetorics this and that are the adverse effects of their policies on them. My point is simple, you never let republicans frame the conversation, never! Many mainstream policies today were once considered too radical and too liberal! Heck! Abe Lincoln was considered too liberal in his time! Even J. F. Kennedy was considered too liberal! Every time American society has moved forward with the times, it was because of liberal pressure so when you are condemning the liberal left remember what they have done for America

BraniacX:
he won all these votes as a matter of fact and that is not to be disputed! A majority of these votes weren't a vote for a centrist democrats, they were votes against trump and that is also a fact! If the liberal wing of the democratic party had sat this election out like they did in 2016 bidden would have lost and that is also a fact! It is annoying how the democratic party take its large and growing liberal wing for granted expecting them to toe the line when called upon and shut up when shoved outside then attempt to guilt trip them when they sit out in protest! If nothing else, the liberal wing is the most loyal wing of the democratic party who take matters of policy very seriously! Now that bidden has won people like you among other Republican talking heads want to overlook their immense contribution to this victory, republicans will never allow democrats to have a stake in their government when in power but frame democrats discourse in a way that will force democrats to give them a stake in a democrats government! If nobody else is insightful enough to point that out some still are, republicans never build bridges but expect democrats to all the time and that is why people like Mitch McConnell can be as obstructionist and recalcitrant as he is. He is a typical republicans Republican and to someone like me far worse and more dangerous than trump

Liberal wing of the Democratic party is mostly concentrated in areas where Democrats would win without their vote (New York, California etc). There is more volume of vote to be won in the swing states by going moderate than far-left can provide in those states. Whether the far-left is growing or not is inconsequential if it cannot garner enough electoral votes. There are problems going forward for the Dems as I cannot see any centrist rising star which is why they had to resurrect Biden from retirement. All your rising stars are not moderate enough and therefore unelectable. This is an important fight for you guys to take seriously because the Republicans can win with fringe candidates like Trump while the democrats cannot. Therefore you guys just have to weigh the lesser of two evils and go with the centrists in your party.

Ibime:


I fear the horse has bolted for the GOP. I do not see moderate politics ever returning to the GOP, although they may slightly improve from the Trump years. This started with Sarah Palin in 2008, followed by many moderates being chased from the GOP by the Tea Party. Trump jumped on this groundswell and actually launched his Republican career off the back of the Obama birther conspiracy lie which gained so much traction that Trump found his next con in this group of Tea Party people who prefer lies and falsehoods to Truth. I need not tell you that the preparation for supremacist ideas start with the disregard of truth. It is eerily reminiscent of the Nazi party in the 1920s which started with small scale demonisation of Jews (read Mexicans and Muslims) but the underlying similarity between both movements is the total disregard for truth. That's why far-right conspiracy channels like Alex Jones and co have gone majorly mainstream.

I agree with the poster earlier who said America is on a dangerous precipice if half the population have no regard for truth, underpinned by supremacist ideology.

Shout out to the Bushes, Mitt Romneys, John McCains etc. They will be the last of the moderate Republicans to taste power within the GOP for a long time.

I agree with the core of this your post Ibime. This was my argument with my cousin in the US yesterday. The GOP is not changing anytime soon. It will remains Trump's Republican for a long time. Even this election despite Trump losing still embolden that argument. Over furkcing 70m people still voted for this guy! This is why many Republican have refused to grant interview or come out to condemn Trump, even Romney and Bush carefully picked their words when expressing their opinions. They are afraid of the volume of Trump's base and the base will dominate the GOP for a long time to come.

That said I also agree with Dayo about the reservation of Americans towards some of these far left agenda, and Biden will be careful going forward how he moderates these far left agenda. I don't think Americans are ready for the New Green Deal as proposed by Sanders, or ending coal and oil, nor are they fully ready for free education for all or free Healthcare for all... While these are popular in many European countries...I don't think America is ready now...Maybe when some of the present old generation pass....cos many of the younger generation seems to welcome these agenda...

But in all Trumpsm is the concept to fear. Imagine America becoming leader of conspiracy theories rather than leader of facts based in evidence and science, also with growing fascism and systemic racism.... America wouldn't have been this great without their achievement in the field of science technology, and America will lost his place as a land of the free with Trumpsm concept.

Ibime:



Liberal wing of the Democratic party is mostly concentrated in areas where Democrats would win without their vote (New York, California etc). There is more volume of vote to be won in the swing states by going moderate than far-left can provide in those states. Whether the far-left is growing or not is inconsequential if it cannot garner enough electoral votes. There are problems going forward for the Dems as I cannot see any centrist rising star which is why they had to resurrect Biden from retirement. All your rising stars are not moderate enough and therefore unelectable. This is an important fight for you guys to take seriously because the Republicans can win with fringe candidates like Trump while the democrats cannot. Therefore you guys just have to weigh the lesser of two evils and go with the centrists in your party.

in these swing states, the majority of democratic votes come from the big cities which by relative comparison are by and large liberal so yes liberal candidates can gather votes in the Midwest too whether it will be enough I'm not so sure as of now, but if we take reeducation and reorientation of the electorate very seriously by pointing the facts beyond the Republican rhetorics out even the growing younger population in the rust belt will break of ranks from their traditional Republican supporting elders and grow the democratic base

raumdeuter:


How do republicans force Democrats to give them a stake? Is any republican asking for a position in Biden govt?

Which bridge did Democrats build

Mitch McConnell saying he will stifle biddens government unless he appoints centrist secretaries is what?

BraniacX:
Mitch McConnell saying he will stifle biddens government unless he appoints centrist secretaries is what?

How is that different from Pelosi stifling Trumps govt?

raumdeuter:


How is that different from Pelosi stifling Trumps govt?

pelosi looking out for the electorate's interests is now being equated by you to McConnell looking out for the Republican party's and their corporate donors interests? Wow!

BraniacX:
Many mainstream policies today were once considered too radical and too liberal! Heck! Abe Lincoln was considered too liberal in his time! Even J. F. Kennedy was considered too liberal! Every time American society has moved forward with the times, it was because of liberal pressure so when you are condemning the liberal left remember what they have done for America

Well it's a progression and America is not ready for it at this stage. Let some older people pass on first and the new generation may be open to these ideas in 30-40 years like Obalgwe1 stated. You can't rush anything in life. These ideas were illegal just 60 years ago under McCarthyism so you have to give it time. Europe was able to implement these ideas immediately after the 2nd World war because many people had lost family and assets and that changed their orientation about what they expect from the State. America did not go through that experience so it would require the passing of time, more international travel and exposure to open them up to such ideas.

Right now the wolf at the door is Fascism/Trumpism and that's what the far left needs to help avoid by producing a centrist candidate from their party, otherwise the country will swing even further away from their goal

BraniacX:
in these swing states, the majority of democratic votes come from the big cities which by relative comparison are by and large liberal so yes liberal candidates can gather votes in the Midwest too whether it will be enough I'm not so sure as of now, but if we take reeducation and reorientation of the electorate very seriously by pointing the facts beyond the Republican rhetorics out even the growing younger population in the rust belt will break of ranks from their traditional Republican supporting elders and grow the democratic base

That's wrong. Election is all about margins and when you are winning swing states by 20k votes, believe me there are more than 250k votes up for grabs in these swing states by going centrist.