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Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:37am On Nov 09, 2020 |
Something that baffles me up til very moment is where some Christians possibly got that idea from? Was it just about the name or a divine revelation? Because i thought the last Trump in the Bible referred to the sound of an instrument that would take place on the last day, but then i started hearing people refer to Donald Trump as the last Trump. So how did they arrive at such an idea because this is what the Bible says about the last trump: 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: So from the passages it's very clear that the last trump spoken about wasn't a human being but the last sound a heavenly instrument (trumpet) shall make on the last day. Hence I ask those who believed that Donald Trump was the last trump spoken of in the Bible, to explain how the last trump which is the sound of a heavenly instrument (trumpet) became a human being. Thanks and God bless. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Missyajoke(f): 8:47am On Nov 09, 2020 |
No one knows |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:50am On Nov 09, 2020 |
Missyajoke:Were you one of those who believed he was the last trump spoken of in the Bible? |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Missyajoke(f): 8:53am On Nov 09, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: No am not one of those mentioned. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:57am On Nov 09, 2020 |
Missyajoke:Okay. The question is directed at those who thought he was. Thanks. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 10:21am On Nov 09, 2020 |
I Have a Personal Conviction that He Could be the Last Trump. I could be Wrong tho! Before 2015, I really didn't know Trump apart from knowing His name as one of the Big boys in the World! While the Whole 2015 Election stuff was Going on, I Personally didn't believe he will win due to all the polls and all that! But I remember, the Night of the Election , I was Sitting by my Dad and watching it on Tv, and Suddenly something came out from my mouth! I Said to my Dad! " I Don't really know how, but I see Trump being announced as the winner just For God to Make the Earth Understand that it's HIM that appoints who He will, after that the Rapture will Happen" Those were my words unknowingly said! My Dad laughed because it was virtually impossible! lol and Behold we got up the Next Morning to See Trump as the Winner! My Dad could not believe it! I myself could not! I came to understand that those words were not from me per say! They were highly Spiritual words! All these while I had not seen any Connection to Trump and the last Trump! Late Last year or Early this year, I am not sure which, I was having my Personal time with GOD, reading the Bible and all that. When I got to 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 , I was just reading and when I Read "at the Last Trump" ! My Brother, I got Shocks and Chills in me ! You Now how you get a signal from God when something drops! I had to go back to it! The Last Trump! The Last Trump! I called my wife and said baby! See what I am seeing today! That's not my First time of Reading! Infact I have Read the Bible 2-3 times every year in the few years! But that was the First time I got that Revelation on that! About a Month later or thereabout! I have a lot of Brethren Worldwide who we Talk on things of God together on YouTube and all that! A Certain brother in the USA Just said the same thing! He was like are you Sure Trump is not the Last Trump? I was like wow! This is a Confirmation of what I got.. I Have other Revelation and visions about Him.. Like before all that troubles were been Manufactured! I saw Him in Revelation where he was to cross a wide ocean! There were many Creatures in the water! All of a Sudden , He jumped into the ocean and Swam out safely! And gave me a deep Huge! I told all around me that he will not be impeached! He would come out of all the traps! And that's Exactly what Happened! As for the Last Trump! I Personally Believe he is the sign of the Last Trump! Let's keep watching! What is Neccessary is that we are washed in the Blood and Ready at all times.. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by kingxsamz(m): 11:48am On Nov 09, 2020 |
Lol, even if Donald Trump wins this election, another president will be elected after him, and another and another, and another. And when over 9 presidents have been elected, end time crooners would have started a whole new conspiracy story about the world ending. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 12:24pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Have all the results been counted? Nevada and the rest four states. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by kingxsamz(m): 1:01pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Plead: I guese so. And Biden is leading in most states. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by donnie(m): 1:20pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 1:33pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Chosen1984: I believe you're Righteousness89 in your second handle. I said this to say that, I was following the other thread where someone challenged him and you came in but hey I might be wrong. So, let's leave that aside and back to the last trump subject. The problem with us some Christians is that, we allow personal experience override our interpretation of scriptures and hereby we mess up things and we run off with alot of errors. Let's me give you an assignment and if this will help you. I have nothing against the person of trump, he's just not a man of good character and doesn't represent anything Christianly in my view, he only succeeded in scamming the evangelicals but that doesn't mean you who supportted trump are bad people either its just that, out of your likeness or love for trump you people have made a God out of trump....my observation. Now, I need you to grab a Bible concordance and check word meaning of last trump and also trump of God, then see how you read in context after u neutralize your pre conceived notion, see it that helps and come back and share your findings. Your zeal is good but your have to have accurate and precise knowledge, which comes by studying. You will be in error whenever you start to "spiritualize" a text without knowing its application. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 2:28pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: Merely reading other translations clearly show trump in that verse is NOT human being. If it was, the English construction doesn't make sense. Too much of KJV bothers some of our Christians people. But let's wait and see. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 5:18pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Goshen360:The Problem with you and those like is that you use the Physical to interpret the Spirtual!! GOD ALMIGHTY, our Father in Heaven is a Spirit! Those that worship and Serve need to do it in Spirt and in Truth! You Could pick up a passage in the Bible today and read and get an insight ! You could pick up the same passage some other day and get total new inspiration and Insight! That's because it's the Word of God. You Cannot Box the Word of GOD. If you read my words with understanding and insight , you won't say what you said because I didn't say the Bible said Trump is the Last Trump! That was a an insight I A Personally got ! My Insight may not be it! My insight may be it! That's For us to see... GOD gives Signs and Insights everyday! If you Have Followed my Summation, you would different sides but one Foundation which is JESUS.. If you had seen what By the Grace of God I put out on the American being the Great Babylon in the book of Revelation , you would see slight differences but one Foundation... Atimes most of the things I put out is not really from me! I put them out as I am inspired to do.. One thing I know from my little walk with GOD which I have said for a very long time is President Trump Presidency is a kind of Mercy Period For the USA and the World at Large.. If Trump is not re-elected and the Church is still here on Earth, then the World would have a some feel of GOD'S Wrath! I Believe the Rapture is so Close! I Believe that so much! What is Most Important is not speaking Grammar saying Context this and Context that! Your Context and all that could be Wrong! Prayerfully read the Word and ask God for Understanding.. The Bible is Powerful! Much more than what we know! 1 Like |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 7:32pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Chosen1984: Young man, the Bible does not mean today what it does not mean when it was first written. All this your insight this and insight that will keep distorting the text and its original meaning 1 Like |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by MuttleyLaff: 7:36pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12643787_forbiden_jpegfffefa2a04d048fe63fdbcba9dc36bce Why can't Trump return to the White House anymore? It is because its For Biden (i.e. forbidden) It's as simple as that 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Goshen360: You are Neither here nor there! You seem Confused ! Suit yourself ! I don't have that time. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by jesusjnr2020(m): 7:54pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Chosen1984:Well time would tell who's right or not. Though i also believe Donald Trump may have or has played a role concerning the end time, i believe the last trump is the last sound the heavenly trumpet would make on the last day as was clearly depicted in the revelations of Paul. I think that it just the name Trump that is giving people such an idea. But as you said, the most important thing is to ensure that we do not lose our guards at any time. Thanks and God bless. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 8:03pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Chosen1984: I was once like you brother spiritualizing the text. Bible text are not meant to b spiritualized but interpretation contextually and the end result of that interpretation is SPIRITUAL. If you can't understand this ABC of Bible interpretation then I don't know what else to tell you. It can not mean anything else other than what the author intended it to mean. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 8:06pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: This is exactly my argument with him.....why would the name Trump just give people such idea INSTEAD OF A GOOD BIBLE TEACHER OR STUDENT TO DIG THROUGH THE TEXT and see what the author communicates. Our idea should drop when we approach the Bible to learn the word of God |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:55pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Goshen360:It's glaring what the last trump means, it's just that a times people allow sentiments to becloud their good judgment, but still interpret such sentimental views as God's. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by kkins25(m): 9:59pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
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Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by MuttleyLaff: 10:26pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
Chosen1984: Goshen360: Chosen1984: Goshen360:I have on both the brethren Goshen360 and Chosen1984 posts featured on this thread, put like stamps based on their merit, correctness and funniness, so its not like as if I can be accused of taking anyone's side here, lmso. Now what I like both you do do because you both seemed to want to wear out the word "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" , is to explain in a manner that a 8 year old would understand what does the word "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" means. Thank you in advance for breaking "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" down and putting the "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" milk in baby bottle(s), lmso |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by obonujoker(m): 11:40pm On Nov 09, 2020 |
I used to think my brother is a Bible scholar owing to the type of moving and crushing train church he attends... Alas he argues too much 1 Like |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Goshen360(m): 2:29am On Nov 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Let me give a clear example of spiritualizing a text AS INTERPRETATION instead of interpretation which the end result is SPIRITUAL. When I was growing in a church I got born again, there's this big so called respected and anointed man of God he preached from Isaiah 6 v 1 In the year that king Uzziah died, I saw the Lord.... He "spiritualized" Uzziah in his interpretation to mean an enemy that is king over your life, meaning in order for you to see the Lord manifest in your life, your king Uzziah must die, etc We grew up and swallowed such teaching because we didn't know better. That's what I mean "spiritualizing" the text. On the the other hand, interpretation of text as it is with the intent of the author that the end result of it is spiritual is an example like this You must be born again.... So when we understand what he explained to be born again, the interpretation doesn't mean 2 things it means just one thing and the result of the interpretation is SPIRITUAL without us "spiritualizing" the text. I hope my point is clear |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by MuttleyLaff: 4:29am On Nov 10, 2020 |
Goshen360:I am sure you know that when describing a word(s), like "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" in writing, one should use different words in the description, instead of repeating "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" and doing a circular definition/description with what the word(s) "spiritual, spiritualized and/or spiritualizing" means Goshen360:Your point already from the beginning is/was clear, but what I needed both you do because you both seemed to want to wear out the word "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing", is to explain, in a manner that, an 8-year old would understand, what the word(s) "spiritual, spiritualized and/or spiritualizing" means. Thank you in advance for breaking the word "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" down, putting the "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" milk, in baby bottle(s), lmso and for not abdicating the responsibility of providing what "spiritual/spiritualized/spiritualizing" that is loosely used by both of you, means. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Kobojunkiee: 4:44am On Nov 10, 2020 |
Chosen1984: At the last trump? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Seriously? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You read the phrase "At the last Trump" somewhere in the Bible, and concluded that it somehow had something to do with Donald Trump? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Kobojunkiee: 4:57am On Nov 10, 2020 |
Chosen1984:Then what you have read is not the truth but a lie each time. Truth, yes, the Truth of God has only one meaning and one meaning alone. Every other meaning besides the one authentic meaning is a lie. So when you read a passage today, tomorrow, and even 10 years from that day, it must always have one meaning and one meaning alone, or else your "interpretations" are nothing but lies, and chances are you never even knew the truth of what was written to begin with. Yes, if you don't know the lies from the truth of what is written, then it is next to sure that you never had the truth, to begin with, and you will probably never know it until you throw out everything you once believed the passage meant, to start anew, only with the mind of a child, as Jesus Christ Himself commanded. Chosen1984:Man does not have the power to box the word of God. Instead what man has the ability to do, and lots of it too, is to lie, pretending he does so in the name of God. Man is a liar, and he deceives others like him with those lying tongues, but not God. God is the source of truth and no lie comes from God. God does not need to "hide" His truth from man. He wants man to know and have His truth. He even simplified it for mankind when He sent His own Son Jesus Christ to tell mankind exactly what He wants man to do in just 46 commandments. Through Jesus Christ, He portrayed all that He desires for man to do in His name. Jesus Christ, the truth of God, never spoke words that had a double meaning to even the Pharisees, or His disciples. He did not come to lie or deceive mankind in any way. Through Jesus Christ, God gave mankind direct truth (truth sourced directly through the mouth of God to each and every one of us) and commands... but what has man shown himself capable of doing yet again? Turn God's words upside down so he can instead do what he wants to do, as opposed to what God in fact commands of Him. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 7:13am On Nov 10, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: My Brother, you are Absolutely Right the "LAST TRUMP " is the Trumpet of God. That is absolutely correct! It is unarguable and undisputable. That's the Word of GOD. I saying I see Trump as the Last Trump, I am not in anyway Subsituting the Bible. What I mean is as a Matter of "Sign" I believe He is the last Trump. GOD has always walked with Signs.. The Birth of JESUS Christ, a sign was foretold long before The Book of Isaiah is littered with Signs.. Infact The Man and his vice All look like Signs! I Believe it's not a mistake! But like I said, what is Most Important is for us to be Personally Prepared at all times so we are Caught Unawares! 1 Like |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nobody: 7:17am On Nov 10, 2020 |
Kobojunkiee:This Brother has always sounded Confused since I have known him here... Either he is off point or above point,, |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Kobojunkiee: 7:53am On Nov 10, 2020 |
Chosen1984:It is no surprise that the truth of God seems to confuse you a lot there. Having gotten used to injecting your own delusions into what is written, it is no surprise at all. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Nephilim: 1:32pm On Nov 10, 2020 |
Trump may or may not have any linking to the rapture or whatever, we all know we are in the end time and anything can happen. The major thing to research on here is what does Apostle Paul mean by "At the Last Trump"? Does it relates to the Angel that will blew up the Trumpet of the last days, does it refers to the last of the plagues that would befall our earth and then the rapture happens. A brother once shared a vision, If he were to be Apostle Paul, he would say desame thing that rapture will occur at the last Trump, but in his case, it would be at the last Clap, because he saw a vision of a mighty angel standing in the sky, he clapped his hands seven times and at the seventh clap he blew a trumpet and rapture occur!! Well, what does the clap means which brought about the blowing of the Trumpet, I think that's what we should focus more on to solve the mystery of the last Trump cos somethings, events, occurrences definitely leads to it for it to be called "LAST" Trump or whatever, it might not just be in the name. |
Re: Is Donald Trump Still The Last Trump Or Shall We Wait For Another? by Kobojunkiee: 3:47pm On Nov 10, 2020 |
Chosen1984:To serve God in Truth and in Spirit is to follow after His commandments/Teachings exactly as presented by Jesus Christ, the Truth of God Himself, meaning that you need to know His Truth from the many lies you assume. The words are recorded in Human language so that even a person such as yourself can easily understand what is written when you apply basic human language comprehension skills you learned when you first started learning the language. Serving God in Spirit entails submitting to the lead of the Spirit of God in every way so that you can live doing God's Will just as Jesus Christ Himself did, and commanding that His disciples do too. There are no mysteries, dimensions or realms to the Truth of God for you to find out there. There is the call to the obedience of the words/commandments of Jesus Christ, The New Covenant, as He has given them to us. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- collinsfhk: ![]() |
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